Great news.
See you on the Dark Side......
And please, Ares, make the BoB Starter inlay spacious enough to let us store sleeved cards!
I've already repainted 6 Hurries for 303 Squadron, but 610 Spits will go very well alongside my 609 repaints (work in progress!)
JG2 and StG 77 - YES, PLEASE!
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
By the way, I found a note on Ares Facebook profile there will be made a revision of Spitfire's manouvre deck. Any ideas what thay will do with it?
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
That makes sense - thank you for pretty fast answer. Let's see what happens with Zeros one day
One would assume the same would follow with the Zero's! I wonder if the take up of this game might have been different in the past if those turns had been included?
Think there will be any way to add the revised maneuver cards to my current decks ?
| do dislike it when changes like this are made. It is one thing producing a set of movement cards, but quite another adding an odd card to a set and spoiling it. When Nexus went to climb and dive, they included extra cards in the movement decks to help update the earlier sets. I hope that they will do this with the new aircraft packs. The only down side would be the Wings of Glory Logo on the backs. A bit of a give away on the next move amongst a set of Wings of War cards.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
This planed maneuver will be always visible on your cockpit.
I understand, that Ares Games will not produce only card decks to stay in business.
If you want to fly your "old" crates with new maneuvers - buy the new miniatures!
...and: NO SAILS!
Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!
Ah yes Sven, I will certainly buy the new miniatures, but that will not provide the extra cards for the old miniatures!
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
...but the old miniatures aren't their...
I would be happy for them, but don't expect it.
Hmmm... I have four Nexus Spitfires, and the Squadron Booster Pack so I don't mix up the decks when flying a flight of planes. What to do with this?
How about using a blank speed counter? Mark an extra blank speed counter with a sharp turn symbol, and use it with any card (sort of like the vertical dive-bombing marker). Then, sub in the Ares maneuver card for the turn you want to make. That way, your opponent has no idea you are going to make a sharp turn, until you reveal the marker.
This way, I only need to have the Ares cards available for the few times I make those maneuvers with my Nexus planes.
I will be buying the starter set, so I will have the cards I need for all my Nexus and Ares planes.
Problem Solved!
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Here we go.
You just like the no sails bit Tim, lol
Never Knowingly Undergunned !!
Got it in one!
Thanks to a new Forum pal in N.Z. I have finally got examples of all of the Battle of Britain 'Nexus' planes.
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
There is actually some dispute about that one.
Some say the 109 could out turn a Spitfire, but the issue was that the Spit would kinda rattle when it was about to depart, the 109 simply went out of control without that 'heads up' from the airframe. Meaning only the best 109 pilots could turn with the Spit, the rest weren't overly keen on pushing it that far.
Wish I could find the link to the documentary I watched, but sadly it was years ago.
Can't help but wonder what will happen to these early BoB Brits when they push the nose forward, it shouldn't be pretty
Was it this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpTrygZfC-g
I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
Coming down is the hardest thing
Could be; at 4:30.
Gallard did describe a maneuver using the vertical wherein a 109 could out turn a Spitfire. How many pilots not flying with him knew this, and how difficult it was, I don't know.
I'm not sure that adding a 60 to the mix, even as a difficult maneuver, isn't a bit of overkill.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Yeah, that would be it at 4:30. It's been years since I watched that documentary Can't say I agree with all of it, but it seems a smart approach to it than many so called documentaries I've watched.
Could be fun as an Ace skill, a tighter than normal turn for the type, with some recovery counters.
Excellent idea Stephen.
You can then decide just who gets the advantage.
From the info in the documentary, certainly not a move for rookies.
Then the overdive problem with the Spits carb may also be worth a thread later on.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
Yes, Rob; how would we model the disadvantage of non-fuel injected engines into WGS? In Fighting Wings, it's factored in because of the use of your wings attitude, but there's no such indication in WGS.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
It's something I'd certainly like to see a rule for when BoB set is released. I had to deal with it in Il-2 on PC, I don't mind dealing with it in Wings of Glory. The Russian I-16 had the same issue, nose down and the engine dies, you had to roll and that roll bought the 109's time and distance.
I imagine there is room in the game for 'ace maneuvers' turns that are just a bit tighter for example. As long as they don't go all X-wing phantom with the cards, it would be quite fun. Fighting 4v4 where one of the Aircraft behaves just that tiny bit differently makes for memorable games I'd imagine.
I must admit I'm clueless, I'm still reading through the rules at the moment, but it would seem to fit.
The Spitfire's elliptical wing also had a twist down the length, which made the inner wing stall before the outer wing. If you knew this, you'd feel a vibration in the airframe as you attempted to crank a turn too tight. The 109 didn't give a warning, and when cranking too tight, the whole wing stalled, and the plane departed controlled flight. This gave Spitfire pilots an advantage in trying to turn inside a 109, especially rookie pilots.
Experienced 109 pilots might be able to turn with, or even inside a Spitfire. But if Spitfire rookies had that warning, they could outfly average 109 pilots.
This is reflected in the above video's comments about experienced 109 pilots pushing their planes harder.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Yep thats what gave the average age 19 yo RAF pilots the edge on the older average age 22 yo Luftwaffe pilots. German airman had seen action in most of Europe and were well versed in aerial combat against (dare I say it ) lesser fighters before they came across the Spitfire
Waiting for the hornets to sting me now I have shaken the nest
I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
Coming down is the hardest thing
My attempt at taking fuel injection into account is likely to be full of holes, but I'll share
Give the planes that suffer from it 2 Dive cards. One very short, a red stall for example. You went into a dive by pushing negative G, your engine cuts which is why you move such a short distance.
The second must be shorter than a normal dive, perhaps a half way red arrow, this one represents the time taken to roll onto your back before diving, you travel further than in the first instance as you don't cut the power, but you aren't as fast as others because you wasted time rolling before descending.
Works in theory?
It would work better, I overlooked that 2 dives reduces altitude by 2 levels. Forcing a stall before a dive would be perfect.
Nice to see the Seven Sisters cliffs & Beachy Head in the simulation at the end
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
Pic of the Squadron packs on Ares' Instagram page
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIFTgkKhYzt/
They look good, too bad we have to wait another 4 months
To me it looks like these bad boys are painted, can't see any of those horrible unfinished edges but then again it is hard to see from above. Hopefully they have gone back to Nexus quality for their Star of the Show release.
Neat that they got the Stuka into a standard sized box!
Looks quite good.
Yesterday I received P-47, D4Y, Bf.109K and P-47. They are in standard sized boxes too.
And they all seem to cost the standard prize, so no more higher prices for two-seaters as when the game was called Wings of War WW2 Miniatures:
http://www.aerodromeaccessories.com/...iniatures.html
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