Oh, yes!
Happy, happy!!!!
Oh, yes!
Happy, happy!!!!
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
Thanks for keeping an eye on my progress Tim and let me know if you see anything that needs to be corrected
OOhh that is looking so good. Your plan is certainly giving me an insight into how to construct Ryujo in 1/200.
Originally Posted by THECCRICH
See you on the Dark Side......
Ooh
My brain has frozen so I'm throwing in the towel.
I though for sure I would finish today; but that is before I tried to place a circle over the shaded aft elevator...
I'm surrendering for the day but can just reach the bow from here...
Thanks for watching her with me and I will ready the champagne...
I mean Sake...
Superb Chris. "Never surrender, never give up"! Don't push yourself too hard, it will get done when it gets done.
Thank you Teaticket,
I should have said taking a break instead of giving up...
I really enjoy making these, and hated having to stop for the day...
Thanks for the pep talk good sir...
Chris
Superb!
Almost done!
I know you were just taking a break.You seem to really push yourself quite hard with these, don't over do it. We don't want you to burn out. I'm sure there is now an endless list of top downs and we want to see then all!
Nearly done. More inspiration for me to get going on mine.
See you on the Dark Side......
Thank you Blackronin, the idea for the Ryujo was yours sir.Superb! Almost done!
I have to admit I didn't even know of her.
Teaticket I am with you on that one... I am already thinking about the IJN destroyer and cargo ship next (both proposed by Blackronin and I will probable start with the destroyer first).I'm sure there is now an endless list of top downs and we want to see then all!
But man I can't get enough of this...
Now that one I can't wait to see sir Skafloc... It is going to be awesome...Nearly done. More inspiration for me to get going on mine.
Questions for the group please:
1. You guys know that I only colored a plan that I grabbed off of Google right?
That goes for all of my top downs to date.
I could probable make the drawings myself but no guarantees on that one...
I wanted to make sure I wasn't misrepresenting myself with these projects...
2. Are the finlike landing aids protruding from the back of the ship grating, or would they be solidly colored like the stripes on the very back of the carrier..?
I would have no problem going solid if need be... Please if someone could let me know...
3. Were the Nakajima and Yokosuka carrier capable, or would one have to stretch history to man Ryujo with them (granted she was sunk well before they even flew).
4. I have a carrier landing mod for Allied ships, would anybody be interested in an IJN version of the mod..? I already have the IJN landing and take off cards made, only difference is (Per Tora Tora Tora [In depth researcher here]) it looks like they would launch large flights one after the other at the drop of the ships flag. If you are interested, I will upload the cards to the file section (Allied cards appear in back of the Allied Carrier Mod already uploaded http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2041 ).
I Finished her…
This is the completed image, barring any WELCOMED feedback that is...
I have to QA, scale, and print test it; but, she is being staffed with IJN crew as we speak...
I was in a hurry with this one, because I wanted to get her underway with Japanese aircraft operations ASAP…!
Thank you sirs,
Chris
Last edited by THECCRICH; 06-21-2016 at 21:34.
Hosho had a similar deck length and width so the following should answer your quetsion:
Hōshō had a normal capacity of fifteen aircraft, subject to the limitations of her hangars. She was first commissioned with an air group of nine Mitsubishi 1MF (Type 10) fighters and three to six Mitsubishi B1M3 (Type 13) torpedo bombers. In 1928, the fighters were replaced by the A1N1 (Type 3). Three years later the air group consisted of Nakajima A2N (Type 90) fighters and Mitsubishi B2M (Type 89) torpedo bombers. In 1938 Nakajima A4N (Type 95) fighters and Yokosuka B3Y (Type 92) bombers flew from the ship. In 1940 the air group was modernized with Mitsubishi A5M (Type 96) "Claude" fighters and Yokosuka B4Y1 (Type 96) "Jean" bombers
I would think the main consideration is the size of the elevators to accomodate the later war aircraft.
See you on the Dark Side......
Nice....
Thank you Skafloc...
That definitely answers that question about the Nakajima and Yokosuka being carrier capable...
Chris
The bigger issue with the IJN planes was whether the crews were trained for carrier ops. This became much less common as the war progressed, as training times were cut.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Carriers are limited in aircraft operation by the size of the elevators, the weight-bearing load of the same said elevators, and the take-off length available to get a loaded machine into the air (this can be coupled with the speed of the ship - steaming faster into the wind allows a shorter take-off run).
Hosho carried biplanes almost exclusively (apart from the A5M Claudes) because her slow speed, coupled with a short flight deck, meant that "high lift" biplanes were the most practical to launch. The later larger, heavier monoplanes were eventually carried, but only with a greatly lengthened flight deck with a large overhang both forward and aft, fitted in 1944. This reduced her sea-keeping quality to a dangerously low level, so she was confined to "inland sea" areas and was no longer ocean-going. In this late configuration, she was exclusively a training carrier.
Ryujo carried the large and heavy 'Val' and 'Kate' bombers, but not the 'Judy'. By the time of her sinking, in August 1942, only "Soryu" had carried any (2 reconnaissance planes at Midway). The 'Kate' was the only plane from her air group which could fit onto her small aft elevator - the others could only use the forward one. Since the 'Judy' was smaller than the 'Val' it could conceivably have flown from the "Ryujo" had she survived longer.
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
Great input on those new aircraft in comparison to carrier operations sirs,
Now with a little time/reality bending, I will fill her deck with my inventory of Japanese minis.
I would show you the latest image, but I don't have one...
THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS SITTING IN THE MODERATOR'S QUEUE, COMPLETED, SCALED, AND AWAITING APROVAL...!!! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ...........................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Onto the Next...
Thank you again guys for all the great info and support.
Chris
To date, the Nakajimas are the fastest carrier aircraft produced by the Wings of Glory line, and will be much harder to land on a flat top.
If they miss a cable, it will be interesting to see if they can get back airborne in time...
Japanese Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate Load Plan:
Climb Rate: 2
Max Altitude: 13
Fuel Unit Use: 1 (lb) Slow / 3 (lb) Fast
FUEL:__________________________________________________________________
Fuel Considerations and Capacities:
Internal capacity: 196 US gal (1176 lb) + 2 x optional drop tanks at 53 US gal (318 lb) each. The use of drop tanks competes with bomb loads
1 US Gal = 6 lb = 6.87 miles ∙ Estimated Range: 1,347 miles
Fuel Required to Target Area:
(_____miles one way + _____ miles cushion) x 6 / 6.87 (x 1.25 if heavy loaded) = _____ lb fuel
Fuel Required from Target Area:
(_____miles one way + _____ miles cushion) x 6 / 6.87 (x 1.25 if heavy loaded) = _____ lb fuel
Fuel Required Engaging Target (FRET):
(slow cards _____ x 1 lb) + (fast cards _____ x 3 lb) = _____ lb fuel
= ________ Total lb*
*Fuel total not to exceed 1176 lb or 1,812 lb with 2 x dropt tanks
MPG=6.87 ∙ SFBR= 213mph or 3.55mpm ∙ FWOGR= 386mph or 6.43mpm ∙ SFBR= 3.10ppm ∙ FFBR= 11.23ppm
CREW:_________________________________________________________________
Crew complement:
1 x Pilot Number of crewmembers _____ x 200 lb = _________ Total lb
STANDARD ARMAMENT:_ _______ ______________________________________
(12.77 mm) Forward-firing Ho-103 Machine Guns
For each turn the pilot fires, 12 rounds are fired from each gun #1 through #2. Single 12.7 mm (.5 inch) round weight = .33 lb per round
#1 left upper nose mounted 12.7 mm (.5 inch) FF (350 r capacity at 116 lb total)
_____ rounds / 12 = _____ available trigger pulls _____ rounds x .33 = _____ lb+
#2 right upper nose mounted 12.7 mm (.5 inch) FF (350 r capacity at 116 lb total)
_____ rounds / 12 = _____ available trigger pulls _____ rounds x .33 = _____ lb+
(20 mm) Forward-firing Ho-5 Machine Guns
For each turn the pilot fires, 5 rounds are fired from each gun #3 through #4. Single 20mm round weight = 1.35 lb per round
#3 left 20 mm leading edge forward fining cannon (150 round capacity at 203 lb total)
_____ rounds / 5 = _____ available trigger pulls _____ rounds x 1.35 = _____ lb+
#4 right 20 mm leading edge forward fining cannon (150 round capacity at 203 lb total)
_____ rounds / 5 = _____ available trigger pulls _____ rounds x 1.35 = _____ lb
= _________ Total lb
Japanese Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate Load Plan:
BOMBS: _______________________________________________________________
Bomb Load Capacity:
Bomb load competes with drop tanks
1 x 551 lb bomb carried on each of 2 outer wing hardpoints = _________ Total lb
OPTIONAL ARMAMENT:_ _______________________________________________
No options
TOTAL LOAD:___________________________________________________________
Equipment Load Bearing Considerations:
8,576 lb Max Takeoff Weight
5,864 lb Dry Weight
2,712 lb Max Takeoff Load Availability
Final Weight and Balance:
Fuel = _____ lb
Crew = _____ lb
Standard Armament = _____ lb
Bombs = _____ lb
Optional Armament = _____ lb
= ________ Total lb*
*Total must not exceed 2,712 lb
*Total must not exceed 1,807 lb for short/grass runways/carrier take off roll
*Total of 903 lb or less could potentially result in -1 climb rate with an increase of 1 level of max altitude capability. Fuel expenditures would be reduced to: 1 Slow / 2 Fast
*Total of 1,808 lb or more would result in a Full Load, inability to perform immelmann turns, at least 2 non-steep maneuvers, rather than one, between steep maneuvers, and cannot plan high speed maneuvers except those produced by game effect. Slow speeds would expend 3 Fuel units and the climb rate is increased by + 1.
Last edited by THECCRICH; 06-22-2016 at 21:14.
Umm...... a small problem here. The Nakajima Ki-84 is an army plane. So even if a carrier-trained pilot flew it, no arrestor gear
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
To date, the Nakajimas are the fastest carrier aircraft produced by the Wings of Glory line, and will be much harder to land on a flat top.
If they miss a cable, it will be interesting to see if they can get back airborne in time...Ooh... Um... Ya... About that...Umm...... a small problem here. The Nakajima Ki-84 is an army plane. So even if a carrier-trained pilot flew it, no arrestor gear
Karl
I should have mentioned if Nakajimas were carrier aircraft, they would have been the fastest produced by the Wings line...
That definitely puts a dent in my plan...
Thank you Jager
Last edited by THECCRICH; 06-23-2016 at 04:38.
They are your planes and ships to do with what you want Chris....always options for experimental units? (Just don't try to play this option when Karl is around.
Umm...... a small problem here. The Nakajima Ki-84 is an army plane. So even if a carrier-trained pilot flew it, no arrestor gear
Karl
Super LOL...!!!Mega Facepalm
To your point Peter... Ya... Um... That um... experimental army unit with arrester hooks installed... for... um... carrier trials... right..?
I am having to wait until an ink cartridge arrives before even I can print her out...
I have been checking the, Files, World War II sections for the Ryujo upload to clear the Moderator Queue and will post a link to the Ryujo once she uploads into files.
I don't know if you all intend to sink her during battles, attempt to land on her, or both; but, I have landing gear boxes for all existing Japanese aircraft (not the Yokosuka yet):
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=1986
They are a lot simpler to make than they appear
Chris
Or a less likely option
The IJN and IJA cooperate to ferry fighters to a forward base, and they have to fight their way in
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Um, ya...
Ah I think I remember reading that someplace... Um ah, ya I think that's the way it went down... Um...
LOL... Thank you Karl..
While waiting for the Moderator Queue to release Ryujo, I added lift in down position images.
These can either be printed as permanently up or down, or as individual cards that may be laid over the up positioned lift to signal the lift in the down position.
I am also considering some of the IJN john boats as individual boats to run personnel to and from/pick up downed pilots.
Last edited by THECCRICH; 06-27-2016 at 05:03.
That's looking really sharp, Chris.
Might have to start actually doing something with all my PTO WGS aircraft!
Thank you Stumptonian, I can't wait to get some of those new Dauntless and old Vals in the action; I'm with you on that one.
Thanks for checking here out sir...
Amazing work, Chris!
Thanks for this.
REP!
Very nice work, Chris.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Thank you for the REP you guys...!!!
Looks like it is still not released from the Moderator's Queue...
Superb Chris and I love the lift up/down position choice.
See you on the Dark Side......
Thank you Skafloc,
I just printed my first copy of Ryujo,
Definitely want to use the Best print setting and uncheck fit to page:
She is still in the Moderator's Queue though
Fantastic!
Have a little more REP, that man!
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
From me as well - simply stunning
Never Knowingly Undergunned !!
Thank you again sirs...
It is definitely worth waiting to print from the Bitmap images instead of Jpeg because of the additional detail available.
I'm checking through out the day for it to upload; but, need to also upload the lift options as well.
Thank you for the interest in the project,
Chris
Chris, your work on this turned out splendidly! If only I were interested in the Pacific Theater...ah, well, I can still appreciate great work...
Nice job!
All the best,
Matt
I've never seen the moderator queue step take this long...
Hmm...
Send a PM to one of the site moderators. They'll help.
Who are they if I may Blackronin..?
I think the delay may be because Eric (7eat51) is off duty due to his wife's serious illness.
That's my thought also...
Maybe a PM to Keith, Chris?
I forgot he was wrestling with a loved one's illness.I think the delay may be because Eric (7eat51) is off duty due to his wife's serious illness.
Rather insensitive of me actually.
Thank you guys,
Chris
I will advised when she uploads...
I check her daily
In the mean time, I will get started on the IJN destroyer...
Ryujo now available:
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2341
Thanks to the help of friends
What type of destroyer Chris? Fubuki?
See you on the Dark Side......
Got it downloaded - will get it printed off in the next couple of days.Ryujo now available:
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2341
Thanks to the help of friends
This might trigger my dive into WGS
I was headed toward the Kagero Class but haven't laid the first pixle yet sir.What type of destroyer Chris? Fubuki?
What are your thoughts..?
Chris
That gets me excited about doing more of these sir...Got it downloaded - will get it printed off in the next couple of days.
This might trigger my dive into WGS
Thank you for your help with the upload sir...
Glad to get be of assistance, and what's this "sir" thing ?That gets me excited about doing more of these sir...
Thank you for your help with the upload sir...
Got them all printed
Now to get them joined up tomorrow ...
Last edited by Stumptonian; 07-19-2016 at 21:13.
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