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    So, can I clarify something?

    "Miniature must be a bomber (including blah blah "mistel" etc ) from WWII that uses the Heavy Bomber base (the B-17 sized one)"

    OK, to my knowledge the only Mistel combinations used operationally utilised a Ju88 for the bit that went bang. But the Ju88 does not use a B17 size base.

    Are you saying we can still use a Mistel combi not on a heavy bomber base?
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    The Ju88 is the smallest aircraft that does use the heavy bomber base.

    This one's borderline, as it was used as a heavy (night) fighter too. However, it has the bombload of a heavy bomber, was used as a heavy bomber, and the Mistel combo should certainly use a HB base.

    As was written in an earlier post:


    Heavy Fighter Base - Blenheim I & IV, SB-2, B-10, Do17 & Do215, Bf110, Beaufighter, Hudson, Baltimore, Maryland, Boston (A-24) - EXCLUDED

    Borderline, Heavy Bomber base - Do217, Ju88, B-26 Marauder

    Obvious Heavy Bombers - B-25, He-111, IL-4, and larger.

    Questionable (I would allow) Transports such as DC-2/LI-2 and Ju52 used as bombers, Heavy Bomber base

    Basically, the Do17 is just under the limit, the Ju88 arguably just over.

  3. #53

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    OK, thanks
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  4. #54

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    "Ask if not sure", so I am asking, Keith and chaps: Dornier multiengine planes; which types qualify...?
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    See two posts up - Dornier 17 is just too small, Dornier 217 is OK, but only just.

  6. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    "Ask if not sure", so I am asking, Keith and chaps: Dornier multiengine planes; which types qualify...?
    Do17Z - too small.
    Do215 - too small
    Do217 - just big enough, mainly because the Luftwaffe classed it as a Heavy Bomber.
    Early Do 217 variants were more powerful than the contemporary Heinkel He 111 and Junkers Ju 88, having a greater speed, range and bomb load. Owing to this it was designated a heavy bomber rather than a medium bomber.
    Do18 qualifies
    Do19 qualifies
    Do23 qualifies

    Do214,216 never flew, though were big enough.
    All the rest are too small.

    Basically the only Dornier bomber that qualifies and doesn't require complete scratch-building is the 217.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    The Ju88 is the smallest aircraft that does use the heavy bomber base.

    This one's borderline, as it was used as a heavy (night) fighter too. However, it has the bombload of a heavy bomber, was used as a heavy bomber, and the Mistel combo should certainly use a HB base.

    As was written in an earlier post:
    Just because I can,

    Ju88, Modified at Udet's request as a dive bomber,
    used extensively as a day and night fighter
    Originally designed as a Schnell Bomber and therefore a medium bomber,
    quoted in various posts as anything from I to M deck using an HF base......

    Having said all this, what is the movement deck for the HB base?
    At what point re wing span and length does an aircraft move from HF to HB base?
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  8. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    For clarification, anything larger than a Ju88 uses a Heavy Bomber base.
    This suggests Ju88 is out of competition.

    On the other hand,

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    The Ju88 is the smallest aircraft that does use the heavy bomber base.
    Which one is true? Is "regular" bomb-armed Ju88 qualified for this competition?

    Plus, is "regular" transport Ju52 (non-bomber) qualified, too?

    Thanks!

  9. #59

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    I am a bit lost as you are, Heмaњa.
    IMHO Ju 88 and Do 17Z should use a smaller base, just due to their sizes - in comparison to He 111.
    But you never know...

    I own AA small bases for Ju 88 and they are perfect and I am about to adjust their firing arcs (add different colours) for Do - 17Z I am making. Until Keith offers bases for new crafts...
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    Ju-88 is allowed - it's the smallest model that *is* OK. (It's a very borderline case for which base to use.) Ju-52 transport is a no, as it's not a bomber, and not a transport converted from a bomber.

  11. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    The Ju88 is the smallest aircraft that does use the heavy bomber base.

    This one's borderline, as it was used as a heavy (night) fighter too. However, it has the bombload of a heavy bomber, was used as a heavy bomber, and the Mistel combo should certainly use a HB base.

    As was written in an earlier post:
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  12. #62

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    But Oberst says differently in post No 1...

    It would be nice to regulate this. I too believe Ju88 is in, but...

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    That's to clarify for aircraft that haven't been mentioned. The Ju-88 is fine. Definitely. Absolutely.

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    There are 3 very nice kits by Zvezda. Ju88, Ju52, C-47ski.

    Ju88 is only just big enough to qualify - and you can use any of the recon, fighter, mistel etc variants.
    Ju52 is a transport that was used as a 100% bomber (some variants) and the transport ones sometimes dropped bombs in emergency.
    The Li-2 C47ski is the Russian bomber version of the DC3 civil airliner, and while used mostly as a transport, was a genuine 100% bomber, and used as such on raids in Finland.

    If you suspect that definitions etc have been made so as to allow the maximum number of players to compete with their favourite planes, and the word "bomber" interpreted very liberally, well I couldn't possibly comment.

    If there ever was a variant used as a bomber - not necessarily the one you modelled - and it uses a heavy bomber base - it's in. So yes, the transport He-111s used in the Western Desert are in, so is the YB-40.

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    Thanks, Zoe

  17. #67

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    Two weeks left.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  18. #68

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    The paint/decal job has been completed and photos of the bomber taken. Now to upload them...
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  19. #69

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    I'm afraid I'm out of this one
    too much other stuff grounded the workbench.
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    The same goes for me. Exigencies of the service I'm afraid.
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  21. #71

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    So two of the best painters are out.

    [Not really chaps, sorry we won't see your works...]
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  22. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Two weeks left.
    You will undoubtedly see them Andy. Just not in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Two weeks left.
    I'd better get started then
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  24. #74

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    Can't find my 2-part epoxy putty... just getting some more.

    I'm making 3 quite different aircraft, and will submit the one I think looks best. All involve some minor degree of scratchbuilding. Researching the squadron markings and serials is the tricky bit.

    I just wish I had even 1/10 of clipper's skills.

  25. #75

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    I hope we'll not loose more participants.

    Remeber the WGF bomber painting contest with 2 entries.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  26. #76

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    Fear not Sven, I think we can get up to four minimum looking at the previous posts.
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  27. #77

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    Mine are ready, just to make pics. Nothing special, but useful in the future bombing raids. Of course, I'll choose one of three planes and post its pictures
    Last edited by Пилот; 11-03-2015 at 03:12.

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    That looks like four participants at least.
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    Repainting a WGS bomber is an easier job than a WGF one, IMHO. Great to know there are at least 4 of the participants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Repainting a WGS bomber is an easier job than a WGF one, IMHO. Great to know there are at least 4 of the participants.
    And even easier than repainting WW2 fighter

    I hope in next few days we'll have more than 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Repainting a WGS bomber is an easier job than a WGF one, IMHO.
    Really???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntruck View Post
    Really???
    It was an intentional false track to mislead the competitors, Steve.
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  33. #83

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    Ah, a rouge her'on!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    It was an intentional false track to mislead the competitors, Steve.
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  34. #84

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    And it's done! I sent the pictures

  35. #85

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    ...and I sent you a PM.
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    One week to go.... I still need to finish the paint job and decals on one, and do the decals and milliputting for the other. The third on closer examination had some flaws in the casting, and as it was the most difficult to construct of the three contenders, I put it in the "To Do Later" pile.

    I gave my son the casting vote - showed him pictures of the two contenders, both of which are quite distinctive. I'm following his advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    One week to go.... I still need to finish the paint job and decals on one, and do the decals and milliputting for the other. The third on closer examination had some flaws in the casting, and as it was the most difficult to construct of the three contenders, I put it in the "To Do Later" pile.

    I gave my son the casting vote - showed him pictures of the two contenders, both of which are quite distinctive. I'm following his advice.
    And we are all doomed.
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  38. #88

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    ...and I sent you a PM.
    Hey, why do not you send me an email too?
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    ...PM sent to Andrzej.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    And we are all doomed.
    Oh come on, I don't think it will look THAT bad. I suspect it will be the only one of its type in the contest. But to say more would give away too much.

    UPDATE:
    Just a few more decals, some touching up of paint chips, varnishing to prevent more of the same, taking photos, getting photos onto computer, uploading to the site... looks like I'll be in, barring catastrophes.

    Not that I expect to win, but I wonder what the prizes are? No matter, and as an organiser, maybe I should disqualify myself from receiving one anyway, in the unlikely event others think my entry good enough. I just really want to see the great work of others.

    UPDATE:
    Decalling finished. Now to wait 24 hrs before varnishing, then take photos etc. Had to wake my Nexus phone from "deep hibernation" - press power on AND press volume down AND then after 15 secs insert charging lead while doing it. I don't use it as a phone, too limited battery life, but it's a great camera and mini tablet.
    Last edited by Zoe Brain; 11-07-2015 at 19:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    There are a number of 1/200" scale B-24's available . . .


    Can one hope that you'll enter the competition? You have what, 5 days. Plenty of time for you, even if Mission Impossible for us lesser mortals without your deservedly legendary skills. Maybe something simple, like a Short Singapore, in service with the RNZAF until 1943. It accounted for at least one Japanese submarine.

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    Or perhaps the Breguet 531 Bizerte (AKA Short Rangoon, Kawanishi H3K)? The last few were only finished after the fall of France, seeing service with the Vichy forces, then the Luftwaffe, the last being used by the Free French in 1944.

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    You could make a B-32, though maybe you've done that already. I lose track.

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    Let's just say that I looked at the picture of your B-24s before entering the competition, and thought "I have to make something equal to that standard, if I can. GULP"

    I mean this literally clipper - you are an inspiration to us all. So are your works of the modelers' art.

    If you're pressed for time.... you know if you took one of your existing TB-3s, and a pair of I-16s, did a repaint and conversion, that would be a legal entry. Though you may have had the same thought of course.

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    Possibles
    Matt56
    MilCol73
    Clipper?

    Unconfirmed (no post to say photos have been uploaded)
    BlackRonin
    Marchallanes
    Dom S
    Mad Charly
    Guntruck
    Me (just need to take photos - plane is complete)


    Confirmed (photos uploaded)
    Nightbomber
    Пилот

    Scratched
    Jager
    F.O.Kyte

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    ...

    Prizes will be awarded to the three entries that receive the most votes from the community. I will have to list the prizes once I return from my trip in Oct, but rest assured they will be good! I will post pictures up on this thread when I have them. I apologize for this, but I did not want to put off the start of this contest until my return.

    All winners will receive the Painting Contest medal...
    Any news about the prizes?



    Maybe we can motivate a few members for a "last minute jump in".
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    While I don't play WGS (and thus don't have any WGS planes...) when I first saw this comp I thought that it might be fun to dive in and have a crack at it anyway, doing a miniature of my great-uncle's (possible one more great, can't recall without double checking) Vickers Wellington. But finding a 1/200 scale Wellington...? How come no-one does them? The only manufacturer I could find was a white-metal one that was quite expensive and - from the photos - didn't appear all that great. Ah well... I'll sit it out and enjoy the show.

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    AIM has an 1/200 Vickers Wellington offer (8$)

    http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/armamen.../resin09mm.htm

    Decals 1/200 (4$)

    http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/armamen...lemarkings.htm

    Vickers Wellington flight stand - Aerodrome Acessoires (9,95$)

    http://www.aerodromeaccessories.com/...ght-stand.html



    Unfortunately you remark this 8 days before the contest closes...
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  46. #96

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    AIM has an 1/200 Vickers Wellington offer (8$)

    http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/armamen.../resin09mm.htm
    Thanks for the link. It would seem that Angelfire isn't selling itself well on the net, as it didn't show up in all the searches that I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    AIM has an 1/200 Vickers Wellington offer (8$)

    http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/armamen.../resin09mm.htm

    Decals 1/200 (4$)

    http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/armamen...lemarkings.htm

    Vickers Wellington flight stand - Aerodrome Acessoires (9,95$)

    http://www.aerodromeaccessories.com/...ght-stand.html



    Unfortunately you remark this 8 days before the contest closes...
    Given that F.O.Kyte and Jager, two of the better contestants, would be too late...and now we have three in that situation... maybe an extension would be in order?

    The AIM Wimpey is a really nice model BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    ...and now we have three in that situation... maybe an extension would be in order?
    I don't want to be the devil's advocate but this thread is open since nearly 2 month.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    I#m afraid that I am in no position to take advantage of an extension at this time Zoe, and don't feel that it would be fair on those who have already submitted aircraft selected from those which were available when the contest opened.
    Rob.
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    I'm in the same boat as Rob (though with port rather than G&T ). The extension would not help me, and not be fair to the others.
    Next time, though,
    Karl'
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