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    Default Official Mitsubishi G3M Rikko "Nell" Painting Thread

    A pair of 1/200 scale, resin G3M Nells produced by Armaments in Miniature.
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    Thanks Kevin ! Would you be kind enough to let the viewers have details of paint colours, decals, methods etc on all your posts, I'm sure they would appreciate the info.
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    Dave, yes, in the future I'll include info related to the project. Kevin

    The particulars of these are:
    Model and decals are from Armaments in Miniature, LLC
    Colors used (Vallejo Model Color) belly - green gray, camouflage orange ochre, and yellow olive
    Last edited by miscmini; 10-21-2014 at 19:14.

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    Again very well painted aircraft Kevin.
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    Man, seriously, how many planes do you paint a day?!?!?! Awesome!!

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    Do you really want to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miscmini View Post
    Do you really want to know?
    Hmmmm, yea.

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    In excess of a thousand a year.

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    That is some going Kevin.
    I must up my game.
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    Very nice work Kevin

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    Default My G3M2 (Nell)

    My first foray into early Japanese bombers:

    Genzan Kokutai G336, took part in the sinking of the Prince of Wales and Renown. Saigon,Indo-China Dec 1941.

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    1/200 AIM model with decals from Guntruck(Cheers mate), props from the Aerodrome Accesories.
    Last edited by flash; 07-28-2016 at 01:21. Reason: title adjust
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    Great work, Neil.

    This Jap Medium bomber looks awesome.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Very nice workmanship Neil.

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    Looks great, Neil.
    Even the colour looks the right scale, and your background sky finishes it off very well.

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    Top job, Neil!

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    Finding a decent line drawing was a PITA.

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    Hmmm...
    Firing arcs as per below?

    Mitsubishi G3M2 Nell:
    Front gun: front arc, level, A/A
    Dorsal turret: 360, level to high, C/B (also has front arc blind spot).
    Forward retractable dorsal turret: 7:00 to 5:00, level, A/A
    Ventral turret: 360, low, A/A
    Right waist gun: 2:00 to 4:00, A/A
    Left waist gun: 8:00 to 10:00, A/A
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    Quote Originally Posted by miscmini View Post
    A pair of 1/200 scale, resin G3M Nells produced by Armaments in Miniature.
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    OK, so no info on the color scheme, so...

    Genzan Kokutai, 22nd Sentai?

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    [Edit: Plane Card revised to reflect research on Model 22]
    [Re-Edit: Redone, with cockpit window MG.]
    [Re-Edit: Version 3, with the #4 arc indicator completely visible. The bottom of the original arc was hidden under the Left Stats box.]

    Model 22, no forward dorsal turret, nor ventral turret?

    PS: Having a bit of trouble with the firing arcs. Model 21 had two retractable dorsal turrets and a retractable ventral turret, but did it have the waist guns, too? Help?

    PPS: Versions According to Mikey's research:

    G3M1 Model 11: Three 7.7mm MGs (two retractable dorsal turrets, one retractable ventral turret) [Edit: turrets reversed? See drawing below.]

    G3M2 Model 21: More powerful engines, same three 7.7mm MGs

    G3M2 Model 22: Early: three 7.7mm MGs (one retractable forward turret, two flexible waist blisters, no ventral turret); One 20mm cannon (rear turtle back dorsal turret). What is the blind spot of the rear turret, and is it only at the same level, or a restriction in movement?

    G3M2 Model 22: Late: four 7.7mm MGs (one flexible position either side of cockpit windows, one retractable forward turret, two flexible waist blisters, no ventral turret); One 20mm cannon (rear turtle back dorsal turret)

    G3M3 Model 23: More powerful engines, same armament as late Model 22s

    I just need to know which version is needed for the above planes.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 01-20-2020 at 11:08.
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    Hmmm...

    Nobody answered the above questions, so I never did up a Management card for this plane. Is it still wanted/needed?
    Mike
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    Missed this Mike. I'll think about this....

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    Looks good Mike. A crew management card would be appreciated. I have a few of these and no doubt others do as well.

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    Hey Mike,

    I personally would love to see cards for the G3M2 early, and/or late. I have three on deck to paint in the not too distant future.

    In my opinion, the blind spot for the dorsal turret would be about 5 degrees either side of the tail and forward bubble for same level targets. If the target was any higher at all, it would be capable of hitting 360 degrees.

    Thanks again for all the great cards you’ve made!

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    [Edited to show Cockpit MG position, discussed in Post #27 below]

    So, according to this drawing, the G3M2 Model 11 and 21 had three MGs. It appears the Japanese copied the 'dustbin' ventral turret from the German Ju-52 design.

    This should be the base guide for a Plane Card, not the one shown above.

    PS: Card above amended to reflect this configuration, minus the ventral turret, but adding the waist guns. Crew should be seven, with all guns manned. I'll start working on the Management Card ASAP.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 12-16-2019 at 22:08.
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    Unfortunately I don't have any of my reference books available but on the web I have found several sites that list it's armaments as this...

    Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.79 in) Type 99 cannon in rear dorsal turret
    4× 7.7 mm (0.30 in) Type 92 machine gun in cockpit, left and right side positions, and in retractable forward dorsal turret

    Should there be a forward/side firing arc from the cockpit?

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    This is what I found.

    It indicates a machine gun in the cockpit windows. I can’t find anything that says if it was fixed on one side, or movable.

    Then the forward retractable dorsal turret with machine gun, aft turret with 20mm, and two machine guns at the waste.

    The only thing that might still need to be added is the cockpit gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Unfortunately I don't have any of my reference books available but on the web I have found several sites that list it's armaments as this...

    Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.79 in) Type 99 cannon in rear dorsal turret
    4× 7.7 mm (0.30 in) Type 92 machine gun in cockpit, left and right side positions, and in retractable forward dorsal turret

    Should there be a forward/side firing arc from the cockpit?
    I think, from all the vague references I've read, that there is some evidence of a MG in the cockpit area. As to where that was fired from, I couldn't tell you. The best images I could find of the armament on a "Nell" is this:

    Arawasi-WildEagles.blogspot.com: Hasegawa Mitsubishi G3M2 Model 22

    I can't see any place that would allow the firing of a MG from the cockpit, except what appears to be roll-down windows beside the pilot and co-pilot positions in these images. I also noted that the waist blister positions were more restrictive than any American style blister mountings. But, that's just me, I suspect.

    Without some idea of where this extra MG mounted, I'm not inclined to add a firing arc. Also, from the one description I did like, the MG was a singleton, and had to be moved from side to side of the cockpit, probably behind the pilot/co-pilot positions, and that would be right beside the engines. So, only useable for targets over the wings and above the engines, nothing level.

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    So, exactly fired out a (roll-down?) window just aft of the pilot/co-pilot positions, but only in a forward 45 degree arc, as the operator was standing behind the pilot/co-pilot. A desperation position! And right beside the spinning prop, if I have the position correctly.

    PPS: Amended image in Post #23 above to show side view of possible MG position in cockpit.

    PPPS: Vacuform model showing the stowed position of the cockpit MG: www.olddogsplanes.com - Mitsubishi G3M2 'Nell' (Scroll down to the first image in the "Build" section of the page)
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    I'll check my ref books when I get home, but from what I can remember the co-pilot fired it out of side windows.

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    21 Mitsubishi KA15 variant from 1935-1936. 3 Retractable turrets/2 dorsal/1 ventral each with 1 7.7mm

    36 Mitsubishi G3M1 variant from 1936-1937. 3 Retractable turrets/2 dorsal/1 ventral each with 1 7.7mm

    343 Mitsubishi G3M2 model 21 variant from 1937-1939. 3 Retractable turrets/2 dorsal/1 ventral each with 1 7.7mm (Note 2 variants of dorsal turret used)

    238 Mitsubishi G3M2 model 22 variant from 1939-1941. 1 ventral turret replaced with turtle back turret with 1 20mm canon. 1 front retractable dorsal turret/2 side blisters each with 1 7.7mm. (Later production model included a 4th mg fired from either side of cockpit windows.This could be the Nakajima variant)

    412 Nakajima G3M3 model 22 variant from 1941-1943. Seems to have been a direct copy of the later model Mitsubishi G3M2.

    Yokosuka L3Y1 a modified G3M1 for transport with 1 7.7mm

    Yokosuka L3Y2 model 12 a modified G3M2 for transport with 1 7.7mm
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    Card above done with Cockpit Window MG.

    Look at this card for my proposed Crew Management card: WWII Japanese Bombers - Mitsubishi KI-21 Ib 'Sally' (I would use the MG #2 Note)
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    Critique this, please:

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    Looks great Mike! Thanks for doing it!

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    All,
    Sorry for the inconvenience. Reviewing some cards and posts, I just noted that the second version of the plane card had an issue. The bottom of the #4 arc indicator was hidden behind the Left Stats box. This won't do, as there are two arcs overlapping. Now, most of you could sort it out, as the #3 arc indicator is clear. But... Rules lawyers....

    So, the card above in Post #18 is amended to 'clearly' show the #4 arc, now.
    Mike
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    These have been on my painting list for quite some time.

    First are a couple very early war G3M1s from Kisarazu and Kanoya Kokutai. They are escorted by a period A5M Claude. They started out as AIM G3M2 M22s. I sanded off the side blisters and the 20mm dorsal turret on top. I added two smaller retractable turrets in the ventral and dorsal positions. These each housed a single 7,7 MG. The G3M1 also had a more narrow aft section of the fuselage with an obvious step that started right beneath the wings. I sanded down the fuselage to show this step. I also had to re-carve the panel lines in the sanded areas. Base coat is Rustoleum metallic, tail was air brushed with Tamiya red. Canopy was shaded and panel lines darkened with Tamiya black panel liner. Decals are mostly homemade, and the white kanji are hand painted.

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    These are some Genzan and Mihoro Kokutai as would have been seen in 1940 to 42. The Genzan plane was airbrushed with Vallejo Model Air, IJN medium brown and Black Green. Panel lines were done with AK Panel liner for green and brown camo. Decals are Miscellaneous Miniatures. The Mihoro Kōkūtai planes were air brushed with Mr Color Mitsubishi Green and Sand Yellow. I personally like the lighter brown. The panel lines were done with Flory Models Brown Panel Liner. This is a wonder product that makes panel lining easy even for a rookie like me. It is non-toxic, and odorless. It is made of water, fine clay and a secret ingredient to break up the surface tension. My guess is it is a mild soap. I will be using this stuff whenever I can going forward. It is easy, doesn’t smell, and if you don’t like it, just wash it off with soap and water.

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    Last is a late war G3M2 M22 from Dai 755 Kaigun Kokutai, Formosa. After Genzan Kokutai broke up, the remnants went to this unit. Another stock AIM plane, and these were old decals that I don’t recall where they came from. Base coat was AK Extreme Metal, Matte Aluminum. I then coated it with AK Worn Effects, which is a light chipping fluid. The upper surfaces were then airbrushed with Tamiya XF11, JN Green. I chipped out the panel lines and other parts of the plane with a wet toothpick. It looks much better up close than the picture.

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    A fun project that I experimented with a bunch of stuff on. I’ll be doing the cards as time permits 0ver the next few weeks. Next project, which I am also well along on, is about 15 A6Ms starting with M2s from the carriers and Tainan Kokutai, M3s and M5s from various places. Lots of homemade, and hand painted decals. Then I need to figure out what to do with 18 Zeroes!

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    Beautiful paint jobs, Dave!

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    Dave, those are really great!

    Appreciate the Flory wash tip, had not heard of that.
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    We have seen these in our ZOOM games.The photos are great and that is an outstanding job.

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    Nice work on all these, but the G3M2 M22 is superb.

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    Nice flight of bombers. Love the chipped Nell the best.

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    Thanks for the kind words guys. It makes all the work seem a little more worth it. I also like the heavily chipped Nell. Believe it or not, but the picture doesn’t really do it justice. The AK Worn Effects over the metallic base made it really easy to do. The subtle transition from solid paint, to thinner paint and eventually bare metal is possible by carefully adjusting the amount of water used. The picture gets clipped upon uploading, and those transitions aren’t obvious. If you look at my Zero post, you can see my two warmups leading to this plane. I look forward to using this technique on the batch of G4M1’s I have on deck. Thanks again!

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    Work on the G3M1 card begins. I have to try and remember all the tricks Mike showed me now. It's been a couple months since I've done a card!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dak21 View Post
    Work on the G3M1 card begins. I have to try and remember all the tricks Mike showed me now. It's been a couple months since I've done a card!
    Would anything on this thread help? Custom Bomber Cards - Discussions

    Nice line drawing!
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    Here is my first draft of theG3M1. There are no unofficial stats for the G3M1. I used the speed and damage stats from the G3M2. I could not find any reference material on what the firing arc would have been on the ventral turret. I'd appreciate any feedback or suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dak21 View Post
    Here is my first draft of theG3M1. There are no unofficial stats for the G3M1. I used the speed and damage stats from the G3M2. I could not find any reference material on what the firing arc would have been on the ventral turret. I'd appreciate any feedback or suggestions.
    Ventral arc is good, as you have it. If you look at the Ju-52 Spanish Civil War version of the plane, and the development of that card, you are pretty much on for the 'dustbin' style of mounting.

    Official Ju-52 (1/200) Painting Thread - Post #102
    Note: Check out the thread for the full discussion.
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    Superb work on this.

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    Posting top down photos for use in making cards;

    Mihoro Kokutai, G3M2 M-22, M-364 and M-362, crew unknown, respectively;
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    G3M2 M22, Dai 755 Kaigun Kokutai, Formosa, G-372 and Genzan Kokutai, G-340, crew unknown, respectively;
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    Mike, should you have time to make these, it would be greatly appreciated!
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    Dave [Dak21],
    Check this album for cards: OldGuy59's WWII Japanese Bombers Album
    Mike
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    Fantastic work Mike. The paint jobs are exact. I greatly appreciate it!

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