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    Default Official Mitsubishi G3M Rikko "Nell" Painting Thread

    A pair of 1/200 scale, resin G3M Nells produced by Armaments in Miniature.
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    Thanks Kevin ! Would you be kind enough to let the viewers have details of paint colours, decals, methods etc on all your posts, I'm sure they would appreciate the info.
    Last edited by flash; 10-21-2014 at 03:46.

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    Dave, yes, in the future I'll include info related to the project. Kevin

    The particulars of these are:
    Model and decals are from Armaments in Miniature, LLC
    Colors used (Vallejo Model Color) belly - green gray, camouflage orange ochre, and yellow olive
    Last edited by miscmini; 10-21-2014 at 19:14.

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    Again very well painted aircraft Kevin.
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    Man, seriously, how many planes do you paint a day?!?!?! Awesome!!

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    Do you really want to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miscmini View Post
    Do you really want to know?
    Hmmmm, yea.

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    In excess of a thousand a year.

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    That is some going Kevin.
    I must up my game.
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    Very nice work Kevin

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    Default My G3M2 (Nell)

    My first foray into early Japanese bombers:

    Genzan Kokutai G336, took part in the sinking of the Prince of Wales and Renown. Saigon,Indo-China Dec 1941.

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    1/200 AIM model with decals from Guntruck(Cheers mate), props from the Aerodrome Accesories.
    Last edited by flash; 07-28-2016 at 01:21. Reason: title adjust
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    Great work, Neil.

    This Jap Medium bomber looks awesome.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Very nice workmanship Neil.

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    Looks great, Neil.
    Even the colour looks the right scale, and your background sky finishes it off very well.

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    Top job, Neil!

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    Finding a decent line drawing was a PITA.

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    Hmmm...
    Firing arcs as per below?

    Mitsubishi G3M2 Nell:
    Front gun: front arc, level, A/A
    Dorsal turret: 360, level to high, C/B (also has front arc blind spot).
    Forward retractable dorsal turret: 7:00 to 5:00, level, A/A
    Ventral turret: 360, low, A/A
    Right waist gun: 2:00 to 4:00, A/A
    Left waist gun: 8:00 to 10:00, A/A
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    Quote Originally Posted by miscmini View Post
    A pair of 1/200 scale, resin G3M Nells produced by Armaments in Miniature.
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    OK, so no info on the color scheme, so...

    Genzan Kokutai, 22nd Sentai?

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    [Edit: Plane Card revised to reflect research on Model 22]
    [Re-Edit: Redone, with cockpit window MG.]

    Model 22, no forward dorsal turret, nor ventral turret?

    PS: Having a bit of trouble with the firing arcs. Model 21 had two retractable dorsal turrets and a retractable ventral turret, but did it have the waist guns, too? Help?

    PPS: Versions According to Mikey's research:

    G3M1 Model 11: Three 7.7mm MGs (two retractable dorsal turrets, one retractable ventral turret) [Edit: turrets reversed? See drawing below.]

    G3M2 Model 21: More powerful engines, same three 7.7mm MGs

    G3M2 Model 22: Early: three 7.7mm MGs (one retractable forward turret, two flexible waist blisters, no ventral turret); One 20mm cannon (rear turtle back dorsal turret). What is the blind spot of the rear turret, and is it only at the same level, or a restriction in movement?

    G3M2 Model 22: Late: four 7.7mm MGs (one flexible position either side of cockpit windows, one retractable forward turret, two flexible waist blisters, no ventral turret); One 20mm cannon (rear turtle back dorsal turret)

    G3M3 Model 23: More powerful engines, same armament as late Model 22s

    I just need to know which version is needed for the above planes.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 12-26-2019 at 10:47.
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    Hmmm...

    Nobody answered the above questions, so I never did up a Management card for this plane. Is it still wanted/needed?
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    Missed this Mike. I'll think about this....

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    Looks good Mike. A crew management card would be appreciated. I have a few of these and no doubt others do as well.

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    Hey Mike,

    I personally would love to see cards for the G3M2 early, and/or late. I have three on deck to paint in the not too distant future.

    In my opinion, the blind spot for the dorsal turret would be about 5 degrees either side of the tail and forward bubble for same level targets. If the target was any higher at all, it would be capable of hitting 360 degrees.

    Thanks again for all the great cards you’ve made!

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    [Edited to show Cockpit MG position, discussed in Post #27 below]

    So, according to this drawing, the G3M2 Model 11 and 21 had three MGs. It appears the Japanese copied the 'dustbin' ventral turret from the German Ju-52 design.

    This should be the base guide for a Plane Card, not the one shown above.

    PS: Card above amended to reflect this configuration, minus the ventral turret, but adding the waist guns. Crew should be seven, with all guns manned. I'll start working on the Management Card ASAP.
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    Unfortunately I don't have any of my reference books available but on the web I have found several sites that list it's armaments as this...

    Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.79 in) Type 99 cannon in rear dorsal turret
    4× 7.7 mm (0.30 in) Type 92 machine gun in cockpit, left and right side positions, and in retractable forward dorsal turret

    Should there be a forward/side firing arc from the cockpit?

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    This is what I found.

    It indicates a machine gun in the cockpit windows. I can’t find anything that says if it was fixed on one side, or movable.

    Then the forward retractable dorsal turret with machine gun, aft turret with 20mm, and two machine guns at the waste.

    The only thing that might still need to be added is the cockpit gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Unfortunately I don't have any of my reference books available but on the web I have found several sites that list it's armaments as this...

    Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.79 in) Type 99 cannon in rear dorsal turret
    4× 7.7 mm (0.30 in) Type 92 machine gun in cockpit, left and right side positions, and in retractable forward dorsal turret

    Should there be a forward/side firing arc from the cockpit?
    I think, from all the vague references I've read, that there is some evidence of a MG in the cockpit area. As to where that was fired from, I couldn't tell you. The best images I could find of the armament on a "Nell" is this:

    Arawasi-WildEagles.blogspot.com: Hasegawa Mitsubishi G3M2 Model 22

    I can't see any place that would allow the firing of a MG from the cockpit, except what appears to be roll-down windows beside the pilot and co-pilot positions in these images. I also noted that the waist blister positions were more restrictive than any American style blister mountings. But, that's just me, I suspect.

    Without some idea of where this extra MG mounted, I'm not inclined to add a firing arc. Also, from the one description I did like, the MG was a singleton, and had to be moved from side to side of the cockpit, probably behind the pilot/co-pilot positions, and that would be right beside the engines. So, only useable for targets over the wings and above the engines, nothing level.

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    So, exactly fired out a (roll-down?) window just aft of the pilot/co-pilot positions, but only in a forward 45 degree arc, as the operator was standing behind the pilot/co-pilot. A desperation position! And right beside the spinning prop, if I have the position correctly.

    PPS: Amended image in Post #23 above to show side view of possible MG position in cockpit.

    PPPS: Vacuform model showing the stowed position of the cockpit MG: www.olddogsplanes.com - Mitsubishi G3M2 'Nell' (Scroll down to the first image in the "Build" section of the page)
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    I'll check my ref books when I get home, but from what I can remember the co-pilot fired it out of side windows.

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    21 Mitsubishi KA15 variant from 1935-1936. 3 Retractable turrets/2 dorsal/1 ventral each with 1 7.7mm

    36 Mitsubishi G3M1 variant from 1936-1937. 3 Retractable turrets/2 dorsal/1 ventral each with 1 7.7mm

    343 Mitsubishi G3M2 model 21 variant from 1937-1939. 3 Retractable turrets/2 dorsal/1 ventral each with 1 7.7mm (Note 2 variants of dorsal turret used)

    238 Mitsubishi G3M2 model 22 variant from 1939-1941. 1 ventral turret replaced with turtle back turret with 1 20mm canon. 1 front retractable dorsal turret/2 side blisters each with 1 7.7mm. (Later production model included a 4th mg fired from either side of cockpit windows.This could be the Nakajima variant)

    412 Nakajima G3M3 model 22 variant from 1941-1943. Seems to have been a direct copy of the later model Mitsubishi G3M2.

    Yokosuka L3Y1 a modified G3M1 for transport with 1 7.7mm

    Yokosuka L3Y2 model 12 a modified G3M2 for transport with 1 7.7mm
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    Card above done with Cockpit Window MG.

    Look at this card for my proposed Crew Management card: WWII Japanese Bombers - Mitsubishi KI-21 Ib 'Sally' (I would use the MG #2 Note)
    Mike
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    Critique this, please:

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    Looks great Mike! Thanks for doing it!



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