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    Default Official Martin B-10 family Painting Thread

    I painted two of these Shapeways 1/200 B-10s for a friend. The 3D models are located in the Tiny Thingamajigs shop...
    http://www.shapeways.com/shops/tinyt...e+Aircraft&s=0 I found a 1/144 scale Martin 139WH-3
    in the same shop and may have to give it a try as well.

    The decals are from I-94 Enterprise decal sheets. http://www.i-94enterprises.com/produ...n/decal-scans/
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    love it!!!! the b-10 is one of my all time favorite a/c!

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    Nice work again !

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Also a fine bit of work Kev.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    When I think i've seen all your threads, you pick me by surprise. Amazing planes Kevin! Now, you mist have some Buffalos to cover these right?
    Thanks


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    These are my Glen Martins Model 133 of the B-10 Bomber from Shapeways.

    They belong to the Netherlands East Indies Air Force.

    Soon they will fight the Japanese.













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    Here are my pair of KNIL Martin B-10s (139). Designed by Tiny Thingamajigs. Overall green is Vallejo 70887 (093) Brown Violet, underside is Vallejo 70989 (154) Sky Grey. Decals on fuselage, small orange triangles as well as id #s are Miscmini from his Buffalo set.

    As far as I have seen these were numbered in the 500s preceded by an 'M'. No decal for the M so had to paint those as well as the larger triangles on the wing undersides. I also found there were no upper wing markings so I did mine without. I think Kevin's and Joaquim's look much better with them. For some of my future KNIL planes I'll use upper wing markings.

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    Really nice job on yet another aircraft that I know nothing about.


    Your scenarios (and Skafloc's as well) make for very interesting reads and help me get up to speed on the lesser known machines.

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    Nice job, Peter. Time to go looking for those pesky Japanese transports (and watch out for Oscars )
    Karl
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    I think I have 1 or 2 of these to paint for the Chinese. Inspiration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Nice job, Peter. Time to go looking for those pesky Japanese transports (and watch out for Oscars )
    Karl
    I might be wrong but I thought the Java Campaign was strictly IJN. Like Neil, I have some to do for the Chinese so maybe those will face some Oscars.

    I don't know who makes Japanese transports. I've seen photos of some that look like Dakotas.
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    I was thinking of naval transports
    Oscars escorted the paratroopers and bombers at the Battle of Palembang; there may not have been any B-10s in the area, though (or even left).
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    nice pete! i love b-10s!
    When they were delivered to the Dutch in Java they were in the pre-war blue and yellow colors! I was so tempted to do one like that but historical accuracy smacked my knuckles just before I started to paint.

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    Nice paintjobs Peter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntruck View Post
    Nice paintjobs Peter
    Thanks Steve. I find the 1/200 planes from Shapeways in WSF (or whatever it's called now) have little detail and are quite grainy for their size, especially this model. The larger 1/144 WWI planes come out much better. The B-10s have no wing panels or much detail to work with. Staining from the engines was all I attempted.

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    Peter, these are absolutely fantastic! Nice job creating the panel lines on the canopy.

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    I wonder what use could be made of this:

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    PS: Maneuver Deck: R(b), Damage 22.
    Front turret: 10:00 to 2:00, level to high, A/A
    Dorsal gun: rear arc, level to high, A/A
    Ventral gun: rear arc, low, A/A
    {gunner uses both dorsal and ventral guns}
    Crew: 3. Nose Gunner/Bombadier, Pilot, Rear Gunner. No Radio?


    What Ventral gun, and how did the Dorsal gun work? I can figure it out from this:
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    In the above, there is a Radio Operator position, and the Rear Cockpit has a control panel and throttle controls. The position is called the "Relief Pilot". So, the plane could be flown from the rear cockpit. Interesting. Making the card for this plane will call for some ingenuity.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 01-14-2020 at 09:02.
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    Lovely planes Peter!

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    Thanks guys. An historic plane for sure. When if came out in the early/mid 30s it was revolutionary. The 1st all metal mono-plane bomber. It was faster than pursuit planes on it's day clocking in at 197 MPH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    I wonder what use could be made of this:

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    PS: Maneuver Deck: R9b, Damage 22.
    Front turret: 1:00 to 2:00, level to high, A/A
    Dorsal gun: rear arc, level to high, A/A
    Ventral gun: rear arc, low, A/A
    {gunner uses both dorsal and ventral guns}
    Crew: 3. Nose Gunner/Bombadier, Pilot, Rear Gunner. No Radio?


    What Ventral gun, and how did the Dorsal gun work? I can figure it out from this:
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    In the above, there is a Radio Operator position, and the Rear Cockpit has a control panel and throttle controls. The position is called the "Relief Pilot". So, the plane could be flown from the rear cockpit. Interesting. Making the card for this plane will call for some ingenuity.
    You mean 10:00 to 2:00 for the front turret arc?

    From what little I find I think the ventral gun is a 7.62 Browning.

    Several WWI 2 seaters had a set of controls for the observer to fly the plane. This will be an interesting option to be able to use.

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    Making an airplane card for a B-10 is beyond my own skill level, but I'd be interested to see one.

    Technically, the Boeing B-9 was the Army Air Corps' first all metal monoplane bomber, and it proved the concept of the fast monoplane bomber, but only two prototypes and five Y1B-9As were ever built. Entering squadron service in 1932, the B-9 was withdrawn from service by early 1935. The B-10 introduced further advanced features, including full canopy enclosures for all crew positions and a rotating machine gun turret in the nose. Hundreds of B-10s and derivatives were built and saw combat with the Chinese and Netherlands East Indies air forces.

    Forward vision from that rear cockpit 'relief pilot's position' must have been very restricted. Landing the airplane from the rear cockpit would have been challenging.

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    Will this work for everyone?

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    Follow the standard crew movement rules, it should take a phase to move to the mid-point on the swap arrow, and another phase to get into the new position. Technically, there should be an arrow from the Pilot to the Ventral position as a direct swap, as well [Edit: Added].

    The "Relief Pilot" would probably be a crewman with the Emergency Pilot Ace Skill, and in practice, the person would only be flying to give the "Pilot" a break during long flights. Because the plane doesn't appear to allow the crew to move from position to position in flight, the capability to fly the plane from the rear was just a stop-gap, not intended to fly the plane entirely. However, if desparate, and the only way to get home, I'd think the pilot would attempt to land as best he could manage. In game terms, loosing the pilot in this plane isn't an immediate crash, as long as the "Relief Pilot" was available.

    Now, do we allow the "Relief Pilot" two wounds? I think, yes, but only for flying, unless you are doing two wounds for everyone.

    PS: Front firing arc might need to be widened.

    Note the "Stowed" position for the nose turret in this image:
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    This would keep the wind out of the turret, when the gun isn't being used. Note that it fully rotates. 180 degree front arc? It appears that it could fire above the plane, and somewhat below the nose, too. Ventral front arc?

    I included this drawing, as it shows the lower deflection of the nose gun, and it shows how the rear canopy folded down to allow the rear gunner to fire in a wide rear arc.
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    Note also, that the rear canopy could slide forward, allowing for shooting to the sides, so the rear arc could have been more than 180 degrees, depending on the mounting. From the drawing in the previous post, it could have had something like a Scarf-ring, or partial ring mounting.
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    180 front arc looks good at same level and lower. Above? A little restricted to the rear.

    Rear gunner (upper) getting 180 or slightly more seems fair. Below, probably the normal rear ventral arc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    180 front arc looks good at same level and lower. Above? A little restricted to the rear.

    Rear gunner (upper) getting 180 or slightly more seems fair. Below, probably the normal rear ventral arc?
    I can do the 180 degrees on both Nose and Dorsal arcs. Ventral rear is, based on the drawing for the gun mount (Post #19), probably only 45 degrees.
    Mike
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    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Great looking cards Mike. Thanks for doing all the research and work involved in creating them!

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    So, just for clarity, the Unoffical Stats Committee (USC) put out a file with all the speed, damage, and gunnery arcs, which I used as a starting point. I don't have the expertise to figure out the speed, weight, armor and technical advancements that go into the maneuver decks and damage.

    Then, I went searching for drawings to make the plane cards, finding the cut-away drawing, and the version drawings. Once I had those, I tried to extrapolate the firing arcs to something that would be close to reality. I don't know if the USC has the time to do that mental thought and techical research process for every plane, and they don't need to, until someone tries to put a plane card together.

    The USC may still make adjustments to the above, and if they do, I'll post an edit.

    Thanks for the Rep, guys. You all deserve some for the painting, though. That's the really tough part.
    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    When they were delivered to the Dutch in Java they were in the pre-war blue and yellow colors! I was so tempted to do one like that but historical accuracy smacked my knuckles just before I started to paint.


    you shouldve anyway lol. so all i have to say is...Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Thanks guys. An historic plane for sure. When if came out in the early/mid 30s it was revolutionary. The 1st all metal mono-plane bomber. It was faster than pursuit planes on it's day clocking in at 197 MPH.


    it and the b-9 were the b-17s predecessors! one of the reasons i like ti so much. plus its got such lovely lines.

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    Great work on the painting, Peter, and on making the cards, Mike!

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    Amazing thread!

    Great paint jobs and incredible work on the cards as well.



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