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    Quote Originally Posted by Пилот View Post
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    What do you think, Keith, is Ares (or even Aerodrome?) ready to deal with decals for theatres and wars available at Shapeways or AIM, for example, and not planned to be released by Ares? Decals, also, are very suitable for repainting existing miniatures released by Ares.
    A question for Keith, but I want to answer, too.

    I've got only two AIM miniatures and those are SBD Dauntless bombers. (Badly needed them for the Midway Rising Campaign.)

    For an AIM miniature you need extra decals, paint, coat, a base , altitude pegs, movement cards and a plane card.

    The result isn't that perfect at all.

    This can't beat a Ares Games mini.

    We have a few "artist" here like Thomatchef for example, who repaints a miniature and the result is better then an Ares mini but 90% of standart gamers (count me in of course) can't do this.

    So I think a majority of gamers will wait for the Ares Games relases.

    So why should Ares Games sells decals for another company's miniatures?
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  2. #152

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post

    Those planes simply represent the Allied air superiority that was hardly won over Western Europe, North Africa and the Pacific.

    You have a broad variety of scenarios there, much more options - from carrier battles to torpedo attacks and massive bomber offensives versus industries & cities, etc. You have those small remains of chivalry from WWI. You have this good versus evil feeling (...).


    What feeling offers us the Air War at the Eastern front? A fascist and a communist system that fought each others in an inhuman way. An air war that concentrates mainly on support of ground troops.
    An air war that concentrates mainly on support of ground troops sounds far more 'humane' than one that "[focused on breaking] the morale of the enemy civilian population, and in particular, the industrial workers" (Harris, Arthur Travers (1995). Despatch on war operations, 23rd February, 1942, to 8th May, 1945. Cass Series: Studies in Air Power 3. Psychology Press. p. 7. ISBN 978-0-7146-4692-3.)

    True, Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR were two un-human totalitarian regimes, I wont dispute that...
    ... but USA and Japan were two imperial powers in collision curse that clashed over the Pacific Theater ... and we can say the same about United Kingdom & France vs Fascist Italy (a wanna be new-Roman Emprire) and Germany

    If I had to erase the most un-human historical components of this game, I should restrain buying and playing the Avro Lancaster and B-17 to begin with, and last but not least the Heinkel He-111 and the Ju-87 Stuka -- since all of them were used to bring enemy cities to ruins and kill civilian population.

    but I wont! I already have two Stukas, a He-111 and a B-25 and I most definitely will buy a B-17 and a Lancaster... because this is a game I'm playing and I like the minis


    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I like to play Eastern front scenarios, but if you ask me about the Ares Games planes that should be released the next years, Russians planes have no priority.
    So back to the (somewhat off topic) discussion about wether Ares should release some Soviet aircraft mini in the (near) future... I understand the marketing reasons (a) the American market is bigger, (b) American players like to have their planes first (c) there are a lot of Western Front planes to be released yet... but we are on the 7th series and the only Soviet plane released was the Yak-1 ... 3rd Late-War series and yet no La-7 in the horizon...

    So, I understand Ares' reasons... but to certain extent they are 'reasons of choice'. I mean: there are many other games (from board games, miniatures, PC games, to flying simulators) that do cover the Eastern Front (extensively), and I'm guessing they are making money

    So would it be too much asking for a Sturmovick and a Lavochkin La-7 in the near future? pretty please with sugar on top?

  3. #153

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    A question for Keith, but I want to answer, too.

    I've got only two AIM miniatures and those are SBD Dauntless bombers. (Badly needed them for the Midway Rising Campaign.)

    For an AIM miniature you need extra decals, paint, coat, a base , altitude pegs, movement cards and a plane card.

    The result isn't that perfect at all.

    This can't beat a Ares Games mini.

    We have a few "artist" here like Thomatchef for example, who repaints a miniature and the result is better then an Ares mini but 90% of standart gamers (count me in of course) can't do this.

    So I think a majority of gamers will wait for the Ares Games relases.

    So why should Ares Games sells decals for another company's miniatures?
    Most of that I've written myself, already and I agree with you, specially when it comes to preparing "naked" miniatures. Diecasts are better made than anything average gamer can do.
    But, Ares will probably, from everything discussed above, be uninterested to cover certain theatres/wars with diecast planes. Decals could have been different story (kind of expanding the market). But, decals are not included in Ares' market policy, as sole decks didn't either. My second hope was Aerodrome, but Keith written neither them don't plan to make decals, too... So, we're stuck at the beginning - "pressuring" Ares to deal with the East

  4. #154

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    I think I will leave the 'Pimping Soviet Planes Campaign' out of this thread and open a new one just for that

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    What are you waiting for

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    We can not influence Ares to issue specific planes that I would love to have. I can only regret they spend their resources to produce planes that bear some unusual cammo schemes (Winter He 111 Eastern Front only), black Bf 110 with no night fight rules, black Reggiane 2001 instead of much more popular Macchis 200 or 202! Why?) may have a very limited use (Dam buster Lanc, Me 410!) in more or less historical scenarios. It is nice they produce them, but if they spend their money to produce other, much more popular planes, they would do much better, IMHO.
    Their American marketing oriented production is understadable only to some extent. I can not believe American players would not enjoy toying with planes other than American frontline ones. But this is their marketing choice. My expectations are opposite. Fortunately I have an immense fun painting and decalling planes. This job is a hobby and I love it. Sorry Ares, you did some wonderful WGF minis which I love, but your WGS range is below my (just mine), humble, expectations.
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    I see people talking about bombers so here is my 2 cents. I have the He 111 and B-25 which can be used in many games. Ordered the B-17 which again can be used. I did the Lancaster to have one and since they were only used in night bombing not many games can be had that way. For the next bombers they could make B-24/Betty/SM-79/Ju-88. I think these could be used in more games so would sell more.

  8. #158

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    SM-79
    I would love love love love a SM-79

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    I have them in 1/144 and have used them in a game.

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    Picture of them in action.

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    wow! eye-candy! aren't them too big for the regular 1/200 wow official? what brand are those?

  11. #161

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    I shall track the posts above later on, but when we speak about intensity of aerial warfare over the EF one thing comes to my mind. All of the Bubi Hartmann's victories were achieved right there...352 and just 7 one day, 7th of July 1943 during the battle of Kursk. These numbers speak for themselves.
    Not quite -- for one: The Germans and Soviets were flying 3-4 missions per day; Western pilots flew one (and that one took pretty-much all day).

    For another: http://www.thehistoryreader.com/mode...-aviator-ever/ , specifically the October 24, 1944, action. (Anniversary's in three days, even. >:) )

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    Does anybody have an idea how the rear guns of the Me.410 worked?

    I'm really curious what firing arc they will have.


    Beside this, the Me.410 offers a lot of armament possibilities. I read some info about gunpods that were placed in the bomb slot.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  13. #163

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    The 410's rear guns were remote-control similar to the B-29's gunnery system. However, it was a very compliecated system that required a lot of maintanence to keep the gun alined with the gunner's sight.
    It did, however, allow for complete coverage of the rear tail arc both above and below. Only one gun could be fired at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Does anybody have an idea how the rear guns of the Me.410 worked?
    Try to imagine a barrel-shaped barbette laid in the fuselage so the flat ends are facing the sides of the plane. Out each flat side is a MG 131. Like a turret, the guns can be rotated almost full-circle, plus be elevated; however, since they are out the side of the unit rather than the top and bottom, they develop an arc based off the side of the plane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I'm really curious what firing arc they will have.
    According to the data: They had electrical cutouts to prevent firing through the tail surfaces; beyond that, they could aim anywhere from 70 degrees above "level" to 70 degrees below, plus achieve about 40 degrees of azimuth.

    However, like pretty-much-every remote-controlled barbette system of the period: It was incredibly hard to aim, and broke down a lot; there were plans to remove it entirely and add twin MG 151 20mm cannons fired by the pilot and aimed via periscope (similar to the Ar 234).

    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Beside this, the Me.410 offers a lot of armament possibilities. I read some info about gunpods that were placed in the bomb slot.
    As they were intended for bomber-destroyer work, there were a lot of "gun pod in bomb bay" options for the A-1:

    /U2: 2x MG 151 20mm.
    /U2/R2: 2x 30mm (either MK 103 or MK 108).
    /U2/R4: 4x Mg 151, 2 ea. in Waffenbehalter and Waffentropfen.
    /U2/R5: 4x MG 151 20mm.
    /U4: 1x BK 5 50mm cannon. (The A-2 was also equipped with this, under A-2/U4.)

    All of these were in addition to the normal loadout of 2x Mg 151/20 and 2x MG 17 forward, plus the barbette.

    B-series units received the B-2/U4, with the 50mm, and 2x MK 103, plus a ZFR 4a gunsight. A vanishingly small number of B-2/U6 were built, with 2x Mk 103 in the bay, and the MG 17s swapped with MG 131s.

    There was also an experimental design using a "six-shooter" made from Wfr.Gr. 21 tubes firing 210mm rockets, which could punch off all six rockets in two seconds; however, it took a while to develop (it tended to damage the -410), and no records survive of how well it did in combat (it is believed it was field-tested in the very late stages of the war).

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    Thank you , Chris.

    So the FW-190D and the upcoming Bf.109K have to keep the P51s busy to clear the path for the Me.401, heading to the Fortresses.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Until your Hornisses have a meeting-of-the-minds with my YB-40s... *evil cackle*

    Dammit, now I gotta find an Academy B-17 to convert... Paging Clipper, we have a PROJECT for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Until your Hornisses have a meeting-of-the-minds with my YB-40s... *evil cackle*

    Dammit, now I gotta find an Academy B-17 to convert... Paging Clipper, we have a PROJECT for you!
    Make sure to figure the lower performance specs on those failed concept boys.
    We'll wait until the bombers leave you in their wake and then
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Make sure to figure the lower performance specs on those failed concept boys.
    Not that hard -- the problem with the YB-40 concept was: The designers replaced *every pound* of bombload with guns, mounts, ammo, and gunners; so when the bombers punched off the 2-3 *tons* of bombs they were carrying, their performance improved, while the "escorts" were still humping 2-3 tons of kit. So, a YB-40 would perform like a B-17 with a "permanent" bombload.

    Myself: I let the P-47s and P-51s shred the -109s... and the -410s get to play with the P-38s. >:)

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    Besides, you're thinking only ONE... I'm envisioning a full Bomber Box, and you'll never know where they are in the bomber stream until they open up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Dammit, now I gotta find an Academy B-17 to convert... Paging Clipper, we have a PROJECT for you!
    Oh yeh, good luck with that (Thank you Gunners )

    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    Not that hard -- the problem with the YB-40 concept was: The designers replaced *every pound* of bombload with guns, mounts, ammo, and gunners; so when the bombers punched off the 2-3 *tons* of bombs they were carrying, their performance improved, while the "escorts" were still humping 2-3 tons of kit. So, a YB-40 would perform like a B-17 with a "permanent" bombload.
    Oh, I figured that out; I was just subtly reminding DB a big reason this was a failed concept

    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    Myself: I let the P-47s and P-51s shred the -109s... and the -410s get to play with the P-38s. >
    I'm not sure, but I'm remembering that by the time the P-51s were in full swing, the P-38s were out of the escort business, at least in the 8th AF.
    Note that part of my ambivalence towards the 410 release is the awareness of the almost as failed concept of the Zerstörer. Now, if they had gotten the Do.335 in action sooner
    Karl

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Besides, you're thinking only ONE... I'm envisioning a full Bomber Box, and you'll never know where they are in the bomber stream until they open up!
    Meh!
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Until your Hornisses have a meeting-of-the-minds with my YB-40s...
    A flying AA cruiser!

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Besides, you're thinking only ONE... I'm envisioning a full Bomber Box, and you'll never know where they are in the bomber stream until they open up!
    Ugly idea, Karl!
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Until your Hornisses have a meeting-of-the-minds with my YB-40s... *evil cackle*

    Dammit, now I gotta find an Academy B-17 to convert... Paging Clipper, we have a PROJECT for you!
    I'm not looking forward to making a base for the YB-40... all those firing arcs are already hurting my head. lol

  23. #173

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    Totally in favour of the Ki-44. Saw lots of service in China, Burma, NEI, as well as in home defence.

    More aircraft were later sent to China, and others were used in defense of oil wells in Sumatra, Indonesia, the China-Burma-India theater of operations, Philippines, Japanese metropolitan defense (mainly concentrated around Japan's large industrial cities) and even kamikaze operations in the last stages of the war.
    Performance comparable to a P40E. Not a great aircraft, but very good as an opponent for "Flying Tigers" in China, P-40s in NEI, or P-51s over Okinawa and Japan.

    The Shoki had its combat debut in China with nine pre-production aircraft forming the 47th Independent Squadron. The combat trial was considered a success, and soon thereafter JAAF Sentais began to equip with the Ki-44. The Tojo’s principal battlefield was in the skies over China, initially fighting the mixture of RAF, Chinese and AVG units fielded against them. Japanese Shoki pilots of the 50th, 64th, 85th and 87th Sentais found that they could easily enough hold their own in the early days of the war, even against the AVG’s P-40s. And while some former Hayabusa pilots may have wished to return to their “dogfighters”, other pilots were able to use the Tojo’s strengths of speed and firepower to their advantage. It was in the Chinese theatre in 1944 that the Ki-44 was first used against the B-29s. These scenes would be repeated later for the Shoki over the Home Islands. However, with the introduction of higher performance Allied fighters, the Shoki Sentai, like the rest of the JAAF, were soon ground down.

    By late 1944, Shoki units were transferred to the East Indies and the Philippines in an effort to provide air cover for Japan’s major oil production facilities and to protect the lines of communication through which that oil had to be sent. Here, as in China, there was little the Shokis could do. The Tojo’s last battlefield was in the skies over Japan. While not specifically designed as an interceptor, its high rate of climb and heavy armament made it a primary weapon in the fight against the B-29s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Until your Hornisses have a meeting-of-the-minds with my YB-40s... *evil cackle*
    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    A flying AA cruiser!
    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Besides, you're thinking only ONE... I'm envisioning a full Bomber Box, and you'll never know where they are in the bomber stream until they open up!
    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Ugly idea, Karl!
    I'll grant you that, in WGS, they'll do rather well. In real life, with approach speeds, deflection and the need to actually spot your target, well not so well.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I'm not sure, but I'm remembering that by the time the P-51s were in full swing, the P-38s were out of the escort business, at least in the 8th AF.
    The Mustangs were sent in to replace the -38s (and the -47s, as it happened); but that was *after* the YB-40 had come and gone.

  26. #176

    Default Ahhhh my 2 favourite battles!

    I for one am very excited about these releases maybe a little less so for the .410 which I probably won't purchase but the other 3 amazing especially the Corsair. My grandfather flew a Kittyhawk then a Corsair for the RNZAF and flew many missions including being involved in heavy fighting over Guadalcanal but primarily used for ground attacks. Would love to see one release with RNZAF markings. MY grandfather was Pilot Officer PFH Rowley *wink wink* Ares


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    I can't wait to see some more focus on BoB and Pacific. Eastern could use a little lovin too.



    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Sorry, the SBD is going to be in Series 6... I lost track of it there for a bit.

    More info on the "reset"... BoB and Midway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    I for one am very excited about these releases maybe a little less so for the .410 which I probably won't purchase but the other 3 amazing especially the Corsair. My grandfather flew a Kittyhawk then a Corsair for the RNZAF and flew many missions including being involved in heavy fighting over Guadalcanal but primarily used for ground attacks. Would love to see one release with RNZAF markings. MY grandfather was Pilot Officer PFH Rowley *wink wink* Ares
    I love hearing personal stories like this. Are those photos actually of your grandfather?

  28. #178

    Default My grandfather

    Yes those are both shots of him. He called his Corsair "Dream Gal".


    This is another of him in formation on the way to Guadalcanal...

    (The Hudson bomber leading is acting as Navigation plane)

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    Another of him in his Corsair...

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    Him with his Dream Gal

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    Default Jap tanks

    This one has a story behind it:

    This is one of two Jap tanks burnt out after he strafed them. There was an Australian unit just over the ridge and was about to get a nasty surprise from these 2 tanks. My grandfather spotted them and lined them up, the first run he made wasn't particularly fruitful as his bullets just bounced the front armour so he lined them up again but from behind this time and both tanks burst into flames. He was awarded with being "Mentioned in Dispatches".

    Notice the dead Jap driver marked with X.


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    Those are good photographs. You must be very proud of your grandfather.

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    It is always great to see these connections with the past especially if the people are relatives of the members of the Drome.
    Thanks for posting Sam.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Sorry to go off topic from series 7 lineup guys but I am very proud of what my grandfather did especially at such a young age (18-23).

    My dream series 7 would be

    Corsair
    Hellcat (Maybe a little pacific heavy so a FW190A or 109 G or F would suffice)
    Sturmovik
    A6M5

  33. #183

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    Great pictures and story. Hope this set is out sometime next year.

  34. #184

    Default New starter set

    I was talking to Andrea the designer a few days ago and he told me a new ww2 starter set is due to be released in 2015 and it will be BoB focused.

    Is this common knowledge because I don't see it talked about anywhere?

    So can we expect most of their time and resources going into a new starter set next year?

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    The Aussies and New Zealanders are crazy; it's no wonder they adapted to a bats***-insane bird like the Corsair as fast as they did. :)

    (Followed closely by the US Marines -- enough said. >;) )

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    Patience, Sam--there IS news coming, I just need to decide how many bombs to drop once I crack the bay doors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    I was talking to Andrea the designer a few days ago and he told me a new ww2 starter set is due to be released in 2015 and it will be BoB focused.

    Is this common knowledge because I don't see it talked about anywhere?

    So can we expect most of their time and resources going into a new starter set next year?
    "When" is an important point.

    It will probably not be soon enough to have on hand for GottaCon 2015. That's the end of February, when I will be demo-ing WGS with a few BoB scenarios. It would be nice to have a few of those to showcase.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Patience, Sam--there IS news coming, I just need to decide how many bombs to drop once I crack the bay doors. :)
    Well, don't forget to wipe, flush, wash, and spray afterward. >;)

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    putting on my flak gear!!!

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    Great stories i too would love to see the RNZAF colours represented

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    Good to see a starter set for those just getting into the game but I hope not like the last one where the starter set had 4 of the planes that were issued for that series. You have to buy the starter to get all the planes in that series. Maybe 12 of the series and 3 different starter sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    :eek: putting on my flak gear!!!
    In this case, MOPP IV might not be enough.... >;)

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    Oh, stop being a monkey flinging poo, French.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    Sorry to go off topic from series 7 lineup guys but I am very proud of what my grandfather did especially at such a young age (18-23).

    My dream series 7 would be

    Corsair
    Hellcat (Maybe a little pacific heavy so a FW190A or 109 G or F would suffice)
    Sturmovik
    A6M5
    I am thinking after Series 6 and if theSeries 7 line-up doesn't change, the Hellcat and a more advanced version of the Zero make perfect sense for Series 8. The Hellcat is very deserving of making an appearance in the game, and I hope we are only so lucky to see it happen. With the Zero, it can gain some much needed manuverability that is was neglected to be given in series 1. The fact that the Wildcat and Zero are so close maneuver wise in Series 1 is kinda laughable. But I understand the intent.

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    Still hoping to see a KATE as it was also a level bomber. It could be used in two different types of missions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Oh, stop being a monkey flinging poo, French. :p
    Monkeys don't use trebuchets. >:)

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    Monkeys don't use trebuchets. >
    Maybe not yet Chris, but their training schedule is quite advanced.


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    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    With all this Pacific and BoB talk it got me thinking about different scenarios.

    I was planning on getting a WoG coast mat and a Sails of glory mat for the ocean or channel battles to put next to the coast.

    Has anyone else done this or is Ares maybe going to release a Pacific playing mat with small islands possibly? Ahhh too many questions for one post..

    Also I would love to see a mash up of my 2 favourite games, WoG and Memoir 44. Would be great to have an all encompassing campaign setup and have separate players for pilots, infantry and tank crews.

    Ok my head is spinning now I'll stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
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    If it's monkeys, shouldn't that ball be Brown? >;)

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