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    Default Series 7 preliminary lineup.

    Of course no dates or pilots for these yet and I've been told this list is subject to change:

    Vought F4U Corsair




    Nakajima Ki.44-IIb and Ki.44-IIc

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    Messerschmitt Me.410


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    PayPal at the ready! I am, of course, excited about the Corsair, but also the Lightning! Ki. 44! Me. 410! Looks like a fantastic lineup, hope it doesn't change, just get better (like, maybe the Hellcat!)

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    Lightnings finally!! Seems a great match of planes, but maybe a Ki-45 instead of a Me-410? Dont know, just like the Ki-45 (well, hes Nick too!) a lot!
    Can we suggest schemes Herr Oberst?
    Thanks


    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barkmann View Post
    Can we suggest schemes Herr Oberst?
    Suggest away, it can't hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Suggest away, it can't hurt.
    Cards are already in my album. More to follow.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    If you look at this release in context with the heavies that are coming out now, it makes a lot of sense.

    Battle of Britain will be addressed between the Series 6 and Series 7 releases. It was intended to come out before 6, but is still in the works now... were S6 models are "nearly done".

    As to the SBD being still missing in action, I'd say look for it with the Pacific "reset" release.

    In the end, I think we could see 3 releases for WGS next year and if things were really fast paces, 4. I know the heavy bombers took a lot of their production resources to develop and produce. With those out of the way, things should speed up some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Battle of Britain will be addressed between the Series 6 and Series 7 releases. It was intended to come out before 6, but is still in the works now... were S6 models are "nearly done".
    "Nearly done" is that the series 6 prototypes or the actual series 6 retail models? Is it safe to assume we will see series 6 in the Spring 2015? Is late Winter 2015 possible? Any idea on the finalized pilots and paint schemes? Perhaps, this is all information slated to be annouced after the Heavies hit retail. Just know, we are very interested to know what comes next and very "broadly" when!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    If you look at this release in context with the heavies that are coming out now, it makes a lot of sense.

    Battle of Britain will be addressed between the Series 6 and Series 7 releases. It was intended to come out before 6, but is still in the works now... were S6 models are "nearly done".

    As to the SBD being still missing in action, I'd say look for it with the Pacific "reset" release.

    In the end, I think we could see 3 releases for WGS next year and if things were really fast paces, 4. I know the heavy bombers took a lot of their production resources to develop and produce. With those out of the way, things should speed up some.
    Long time ago (October 2014) our dear commander said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    In the end, I think we could see 3 releases for WGS next year and if things were really fast paces, 4. I know the heavy bombers took a lot of their production resources to develop and produce. With those out of the way, things should speed up some.
    It's now Middle February 2016...

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    No boost for Eastern front
    But I like Corsait and Lightning

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    Kinda funny they picked the "Tojo" over the Oscar, but an early war Japanese Army aircraft all the same!! We have needed one of them to pair up with the Zero for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    Kinda funny they picked the "Tojo" over the Oscar, but an early war Japanese Army aircraft all the same!! We have needed one of them to pair up with the Zero for a long time.
    The Ki-43 is *embarrassingly* underarmed for the game; most models only carried twin 0.50s, only the last model carried 20mm cannon (again, only two), and the early models' firepower compares favorably to *WW1* fighters. The -44 at least has four guns in most models.

    I look at the selections, and the theme I see is "Allied ground-attack, Axis anti-bomber". The -38 and F4U|FG|F3A were used frequently for ground-attack as well as air-to-air (so much so that in Korea, the Corsair was redesignated "AU-1"). The Ki-44 goes against Allied bomber units in SE Asia, as well as Home Defense -- some were deployed in Borneo and Sumatra to defend the oil fields -- so it goes against the B-25 and B-17. (Also: The mold can be reused for its replacement, the Ki-84.) The -410, when the Germans finally got that PoS to work, was mainly used for anti-bomber work; it goes against the B-17 also, as well as the Lancaster. So, if one combines this series with the "big boys" recently released, one can see a coherent campaign theme becoming viable.

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    OK, in the context of what's been released, and been announced, I agree there seems to be a plan.
    I don't agree with it, but there's a plan.
    Point 1: Ares has to stop mixing Europe and Pacific. with only 4 planes, balanced with 2 Allied and 2 Axis, it doesn't give enough for a nice mix, esp. for those who do only 1 theater.
    Point 2: Unless Ares fixes their logistics to re-issue older series more promptly, when series 7 comes out, will you be able to get a P-51 or Fw-190D for anything
    less than scalper rates? Or even a Me-109K?
    I'm encouraged by the hints from Herr Oberst and DB; I'm hopeful that BoB will be a Spitfire, a Hurricane, A Bf-109E and a Ju-87. With maybe a He-111 on the side.
    Midway should be the Wildcat, the Zero, the Val, and ??? (Devestator, Kate)


    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    Why not Do.335? (OK, OK, OK, I know, that was only a rhetorical question) Pfeil would be awesome!
    AMEN Brother But then we'd need new faster rules (still thinking this one out; maybe something this fall )

    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    The Ki-44 goes against Allied bomber units in SE Asia, as well as Home Defense -- some were deployed in Borneo and Sumatra to defend the oil fields -- so it goes against the B-25 and B-17. (Also: The mold can be reused for its replacement, the Ki-84.)
    I don't know, Chris. The wingspan of the Ki-44 is 9.45m, while the Ki-84 is 11.24m. At 1/200 scale that's still a 8.95mm diff; kind of noticeable.
    Besides, we already have that released

    Karl
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    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Point 1: Ares has to stop mixing Europe and Pacific. with only 4 planes, balanced with 2 Allied and 2 Axis, it doesn't give enough for a nice mix, esp. for those who do only 1 theater.

    Karl
    But then would everyone be content to get ET or PT minis just every other year?? I think not. lol

    There is no way for them to win the "release war" with customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    ...
    AMEN Brother But then we'd need new faster rules (still thinking this one out; maybe something this fall )
    ...
    Karl
    I knew You will react! I understand very well your passion for Pfeil. May be it was only an experiment, but bloody interesting

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    OHHHHHHHHHH!!!! HEEEEECCCCKKKKK YESSSSSS!!! Please please please!

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    Some nice aircraft there, the Corsair I know will especially please a lot of the WGS fans.
    I would have liked to have seen something for the BOB say a Defiant, but I am sure this will please a lot. I hope we will get the Blenheims, Defiants, Do17 and JU88 in the not too distant future.

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    As it says on one of my favorite planes, "Yippee"!

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    Interesting lineup: the Me.410 is certainly an odd choice. Did they think they needed an Axis plane with 2 engines to match the P-38
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Interesting lineup: the Me.410 is certainly an odd choice. Did they think they needed an Axis plane with 2 engines to match the P-38
    Karl
    From Wiki

    The Me 410 was also used as a bomber destroyer against the daylight bomber formations of the USAAF, upgraded through the available Umrüst-Bausätze factory conversion kits, all bearing a /U suffix, for the design. The Me 410 A-1/U2 was fitted with two additional 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons in the undernose weapons bay, while the A-1/U4 was equipped with a Bordkanone series 50 mm (2 in) BK 5 cannon instead. For breaking up the bomber formations, many Me 410s also had four underwing tubes firing converted 21 cm (8 in) Werfer-Granate 21 mortar rockets. Two Geschwader, Zerstörergeschwader 26 and 76, were thus equipped with the Me 410 by late 1943.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Interesting lineup: the Me.410 is certainly an odd choice. Did they think they needed an Axis plane with 2 engines to match the P-38
    Karl
    Fully agree with that statement of yours, Karl. 410? How come?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Fully agree with that statement of yours, Karl. 410? How come?
    While I appreciate Sven's enthusiasm for the plane, there are much better choices.
    Honestly, the P-38 really doesn't fit in the 2-engined/heavy fighter category. I'm sure we could come up with (or already have) a list of desired Axis fighters.
    Otherwise, this is a very good series.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    While I appreciate Sven's enthusiasm for the plane, there are much better choices.
    Honestly, the P-38 really doesn't fit in the 2-engined/heavy fighter category. I'm sure we could come up with (or already have) a list of desired Axis fighters.
    Otherwise, this is a very good series.
    Karl
    Agreed, even though I am excited for the Lightning. The P-61 would be more of a fit to the Me410.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Interesting lineup: the Me.410 is certainly an odd choice. Did they think they needed an Axis plane with 2 engines to match the P-38
    Karl
    I'd bet money on that!! An N1K George or a Fw-190A would have been better choices.
    Jim Y

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    Thing is, the P-38's kind of in a unique class--it has the twin engines and "Aim The Plane" easy aiming of a "zerstorer" type, but armament and handling closer to a single-engine single-seat type.

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    I'll be interested to see what the maneuver decks for these will be. The 410 is considerably faster than the 110, and performance of various P38 marks varied wildly.

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    True, anything before the E was only useful as a trainer for the more advanced versions to come. I personally would only take the XP or YP ("Yippee") into combat if they were like the last plane available and the alternate option was "die on the ground with no fight-back option."

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    Some good choices, particularly for the American market. Whatever Ares choose, someone will be disappointed.

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    OH MY GOD!

    What a great choice!

    Halleluja, this is an amazing information.

    With this series dreams become true, Herr Oberst! I'm getting emotional...







    Wow I like this series.

    F4U Corsair - how long did I wait for this plane... Randy open a barrel - time to fight down a few gallons of beer!

    P 38 Lightning - the long missed US double engined fighter for bomber escort - long range fights in the Pacific - plane of the most successfull US pilots!!!

    Nakajima Ki.44 - I hope we see different armaments versions to fight Allied fighters and bombers!! Cannonfodder for the US planes.

    Me. 410 - the follower of the Bf.110 - what to say. You can use this one for so much functions.



    Three cheers to Ares!!!

    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Yep, I can live with those choices.
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Well, good news obviously, but frankly I'm not that much enthusiastic. Everything depends on preferences of course, but I'd like to see more common aircrafts.

    Corsair - That's of course legendary aircraft, but if you look closer at the operational use during WW2 Hellcats made more sorties and had more combat wins. I definitely would like Hellcat to appear in my collection. My rank for this choice is 3 out of 5 scale (3/5), just fine but not something I'd die for.
    Lightning - Bingo! That's very good news. My favourite plane in this series. I'd like to see Lightnings' duels over New Guinea and Solomon's Islands. My rank for this choice is 5/5. Excellent!
    Ki-44 - not very manouverable and rather niche aircraft (only slightly over 1000 were produced throughout the war). It proved to be very good against B-29 but only without escort. Had a lot of problems fighting other fighters due to lack of manouverability. My rank 2/5, not recommended! I'd prefer other Japanese aircrafts to appear.
    Me-410 - Again niche aircraft with limited use for scenarios. My rank 3/5.

    If I could choose aircrafts to release my choice would go for:
    American - Hellcat, Dauntless (I'd like to recreate Midway at last!) and Airacobra (working mule on all fronts!).
    British - Mosquito, Wellington (why we don't have twin-engine british bomber yet?) and Spitfire V.
    Russian - definitively need more Russian aircrafts. I'd go for I-15/I-16 models which will open a lot of possible scenarios (China War, Winter War 39/40, early Barbarossa), La-5 (over 10000 produced throughout the war!) and certainly Il-2 Sturmovik.

    German - 109 Frank or Gustav, FW-190A and my choice for twin-engine would be Ju-88 (both bomber and fighter versions).
    Italy - Macchi MC-202, S.M. 79 will cover most Italian scenarios.
    Japan - Early war planes please! Certainly Oscar, but also Nate (it was main army fighter at outbreak of war, good for scenarios in China, Burma as well) and some twin-engine bomber like Betty or Nell. Mid-war Zero A6M3 version would be nice as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt View Post
    Well, good news obviously, but frankly I'm not that much enthusiastic. Everything depends on preferences of course, but I'd like to see more common aircrafts.

    Corsair - That's of course legendary aircraft, but if you look closer at the operational use during WW2 Hellcats made more sorties and had more combat wins. I definitely would like Hellcat to appear in my collection. My rank for this choice is 3 out of 5 scale (3/5), just fine but not something I'd die for.
    Lightning - Bingo! That's very good news. My favourite plane in this series. I'd like to see Lightnings' duels over New Guinea and Solomon's Islands. My rank for this choice is 5/5. Excellent!
    Ki-44 - not very manouverable and rather niche aircraft (only slightly over 1000 were produced throughout the war). It proved to be very good against B-29 but only without escort. Had a lot of problems fighting other fighters due to lack of manouverability. My rank 2/5, not recommended! I'd prefer other Japanese aircrafts to appear.
    Me-410 - Again niche aircraft with limited use for scenarios. My rank 3/5.

    If I could choose aircrafts to release my choice would go for:
    American - Hellcat, Dauntless (I'd like to recreate Midway at last!) and Airacobra (working mule on all fronts!).
    British - Mosquito, Wellington (why we don't have twin-engine british bomber yet?) and Spitfire V.
    Russian - definitively need more Russian aircrafts. I'd go for I-15/I-16 models which will open a lot of possible scenarios (China War, Winter War 39/40, early Barbarossa), La-5 (over 10000 produced throughout the war!) and certainly Il-2 Sturmovik.

    German - 109 Frank or Gustav, FW-190A and my choice for twin-engine would be Ju-88 (both bomber and fighter versions).
    Italy - Macchi MC-202, S.M. 79 will cover most Italian scenarios.
    Japan - Early war planes please! Certainly Oscar, but also Nate (it was main army fighter at outbreak of war, good for scenarios in China, Burma as well) and some twin-engine bomber like Betty or Nell. Mid-war Zero A6M3 version would be nice as well.
    G'day Rafal!
    Have you checked out Armaments in Miniature ?
    They make most of the US & Jap models you are after. Not sure about the Russian ones but they do do some Ruskies.
    Extremely nice Resin models but you do have to paint them. Decals are also available from the site.

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    No problems at all with these, as an addict I'll happily hoover up any models they put out!

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    Thanks Oberst, thats all good news. Now just to be patient and save for future

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    While the rest of the series is perfect, I can not understand the reason behind the decision to put valuable ARES resources into Me 410 production. Simply can not, while we are still lacking MANY more of German iconic planes! Where is Bf 109F/G, where are Dorniers, where is the multipurpose Ju 88? WHERE IS Fw 190 A/G?
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    Me 410 - Bf.109K - FW190D - a nice late war combo.

    Fits perfect to the P51 - P38 - B17 - P47.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    I for one find the Axis unit selection for this series a tad strange, but I like that some more obscure aircraft make it into the game from time to time. It adds variety and makes the game stand out with the wide range of aircraft types. The beautiful thing here is that the game includes lesser known and non iconic options like the upcoming Tojo and Me-410 and the D.520.

    If series seven and series six don't have any lineup changes I will be very pleased. For me personally, in series 8, I would love to see the F6F Hellcat, which certainly needs to take its earned seat at the table as well as some love for the Italians in the form of the Macchi 202 Folgore or Macchi 205 Veltro. I would also like a Ju-88 for the Germans and a Mosquito for the British to round out set 8. But I am being hasty and getting way way way ahead of the cart......A man can dream can't he?

    Now Oberst, I am intrigued by this "Pacific Reset" series you have referred to in a prior post. Does that mean the SBD has been bumped from series 6? Perhaps this set has a direct corelation with prior hints at the new ways of reprinting the old WoG 1 and 2 series. Could this mean a Wildcat and Zero reprint could accompany the upcoming SBD and Judy? Perhaps followed by a BOB themed set that has the reprinted Spit Mk1 and 109 reappear in it? Maybe with a Stuka reprint as well? That begs the question of how the P-47 and BF-109K also set to debut in series six will be released. Care to elaborate a bit thier boss? Am I remotely on the mark at all? Perhaps this info is being saved for a later date. It's nice to get a little tease here and there, so I understand if we have to wait a bit longer. That being said, if the SBD has been delayed even longer, you might see a grown man cry and let me tell you, it isn't pretty.

    Most importantly, I am stoked that WGS appears to be making a strong comeback on the release front. To me waiting a year between releases due to the high cost and resource demands of the Heavies was a sacrafice well worth making! I am beyond thrilled to get these bad boys and have already dropped roughly 400 dollars on preorders for them. Hopefully they sell well enough to get us a B-24 Liberator and Vickers Wellington at some point down the line. I am also very interested to see some Axis twin engine Bombers like the Betty and Sparviero.

    So Ares, please forgive my hastiness and I forgive you for the long time period between releases, in order to bring us these absolutely amazing looking B-17s and Lancs. While they probably won't make the tables as often as the fighters do, they will have quite the wow factor to them when they do and are just absolutely gorgeous models for display purposes.
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    Sorry, the SBD is going to be in Series 6... I lost track of it there for a bit.

    More info on the "reset"... BoB and Midway

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    Well at least it has given me a reminder of where we are Keith. I knew taking on WW2 was a step too far.
    Thanks.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Default Ahhhh my 2 favourite battles!

    I for one am very excited about these releases maybe a little less so for the .410 which I probably won't purchase but the other 3 amazing especially the Corsair. My grandfather flew a Kittyhawk then a Corsair for the RNZAF and flew many missions including being involved in heavy fighting over Guadalcanal but primarily used for ground attacks. Would love to see one release with RNZAF markings. MY grandfather was Pilot Officer PFH Rowley *wink wink* Ares


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    I can't wait to see some more focus on BoB and Pacific. Eastern could use a little lovin too.



    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Sorry, the SBD is going to be in Series 6... I lost track of it there for a bit.

    More info on the "reset"... BoB and Midway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    I for one am very excited about these releases maybe a little less so for the .410 which I probably won't purchase but the other 3 amazing especially the Corsair. My grandfather flew a Kittyhawk then a Corsair for the RNZAF and flew many missions including being involved in heavy fighting over Guadalcanal but primarily used for ground attacks. Would love to see one release with RNZAF markings. MY grandfather was Pilot Officer PFH Rowley *wink wink* Ares
    I love hearing personal stories like this. Are those photos actually of your grandfather?

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    Default My grandfather

    Yes those are both shots of him. He called his Corsair "Dream Gal".


    This is another of him in formation on the way to Guadalcanal...

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    Default Jap tanks

    This one has a story behind it:

    This is one of two Jap tanks burnt out after he strafed them. There was an Australian unit just over the ridge and was about to get a nasty surprise from these 2 tanks. My grandfather spotted them and lined them up, the first run he made wasn't particularly fruitful as his bullets just bounced the front armour so he lined them up again but from behind this time and both tanks burst into flames. He was awarded with being "Mentioned in Dispatches".

    Notice the dead Jap driver marked with X.


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    I can't wait to see some more focus on BoB and Pacific. Eastern could use a little lovin too.
    Awesome images Sam! Its always great to see such images. Thank you.
    I would love some Bubble Tops, just to paint them in Brazilian colors. Now that we have a great combination of Italian and German planes, the only thing missing is these P-47.
    Thanks


    Nick

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    I'm afraid that like those of us who have been with Wings from the start, you will learn that things move slowly on the distribution front Nick. Patience is essential, and if you don't have it the waiting can be very frustrating. Believe me when I tell you that releases are coming faster now than they have ever done.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Believe me when I tell you that releases are coming faster now than they have ever done.
    Rob.
    That's a good point, Rob. It's easy to lose perspective and grow frustrated with the waiting... even though matters have improved dramatically. I'll need to keep this in mind while I wait for the (hopeful) reprint of Series 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    I'm afraid that like those of us who have been with Wings from the start, you will learn that things move slowly on the distribution front Nick. Patience is essential, and if you don't have it the waiting can be very frustrating. Believe me when I tell you that releases are coming faster now than they have ever done.
    Rob.
    I know Rob, I know. Im just dreaming. I've already tasted from the distribution and im aware its not the faster. Im just saying that when (if) we have Buble Tops, i will paint them in Brazilian colors.
    Thanks


    Nick

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    The thing I would really really like to see is a series one reprint for WWII. Come on Ares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlgyLacey View Post
    The thing I would really really like to see is a series one reprint for WWII. Come on Ares.
    It's a reprint Jim, but not as we know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlgyLacey View Post
    The thing I would really really like to see is a series one reprint for WWII. Come on Ares.
    Take a peek at post 25 Dave.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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