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    Quote Originally Posted by LOOP View Post
    I have only played WoG for some 2+ years and nearly missed out all WoW stuff. In this forum + and *-deck turn up quite frequently.
    I know it's only house-rules stuff but some of this rules seems to be allmost as a common rule.
    My thought was if the usual E-dack lacked a 90-turn and the was a general opion to give the N11 some. Is there any obstacles in doing so...
    Make an E+-deck of the old E-deck.... Would it make, say the SS DI to good?
    I don't know, just speaking out load....
    As we are talking about House rules Per, you can do just what you like in your games. Add cards as you wish, as long as everyone you are playing with is happy. The House rules are just to guide you to what is reasonable supposition when backed by the available information. members can alter this as much as they wish in their own games. I would try your right hand turns and see if they work for you.
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    Or we can wait and se what Ares has got up their sleeve
    I don't have any N11 in my hangar just yet so no real problem for me
    But it is fun to talk about things concerning WoG

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    I have to admit Per that the diversity of discussion and questions on the Drome is often far more complex than just playing the game.
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    That is mainly why I am on the Drome

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    I think that is what holds a good number of us here Per.
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    True enough for me; I haven't played a game in weeks, and I'm having a great time with the game here
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    I still need more early was aircraft so for series 10 I would like to see a BE2c the importance of this aircraft cannot be over emphasised it was used right from the start of WW1 till "Bloody April" in 1917 what other aircraft was in front line service longer than a BE2c?
    Maybe the FE.2? They hit the front in maybe January 1915, and were still fairly heavily in use as bombers at the end of the war in 1918.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenalfonzo View Post
    Maybe the FE.2? They hit the front in maybe January 1915, and were still fairly heavily in use as bombers at the end of the war in 1918.
    Good choice! Used in a variety of capacities: bombing, offensive patrols, artillery cooperation, escort, defensive "contact" patrols... "Fees" started the Battle of Arras (1917) as front-line aircraft. And, as over-matched as they might have been, they weren't any worse than the Sop 1-1/2 Strutters!

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    Loving this release, especially the Strutter and Nieuport. About time these planes got done. All we need now is some Sopwith Pups and more SE5a's for the Entente (Series 10 maybe?) Would also like to see some more early war planes, Bristol scout, Gunbus,any more offers?

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    In my view if we get a series10, the 1st and formost plane on that list should be a BE2c. It is a icronic aircraft that we should have had ages ago. I would love to series 10 as an all British release with the BE2c, Sopwith Pup, Vickers Gunbus, and of course an Bristol scout. But there again it is only my wish list

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    OK, I'll play! Series 10 wish list: Morane-Saulnier AI, Bregeut Br.14, Salmson 2, Caudron R.11, Letord 4; F.E.2, Short 184, Bristol M.1C, S.E.5a, Felixstowe F.2A, Curtiss H-12; Ago C II, L.V.G. C VI, Rumpler C IV, A.E.G. G IV, Albatros C XII, A.E.G. C IV, D.F.W. C V, Hansa- Brandenburg K.D.W., Rumpler 6B1, Friedrichshaven G III, Hansa-Brandenburg W 12, Junkers D I, Junkers CL I, Junkers J I, Hansa-Brandenburg W 29.

    I seem to have gotten a little carried away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spindoc View Post
    OK, I'll play! Series 10 wish list: (...) Bregeut Br.14,
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    We already have Breguet Br.14, although we do need a re-print of it

    Some of the guys in your wish list that I would love seeing, such as Caudron R.11, Friedrichshaven G III, A.E.G. G IV (actually I already have un-official 3D-printed versions of them) would go as especial-packs, if they ever see the light

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    Looks like you have series 10. 11. 12, 13...........

    Quote Originally Posted by spindoc View Post
    OK, I'll play! Series 10 wish list: Morane-Saulnier AI, Bregeut Br.14, Salmson 2, Caudron R.11, Letord 4; F.E.2, Short 184, Bristol M.1C, S.E.5a, Felixstowe F.2A, Curtiss H-12; Ago C II, L.V.G. C VI, Rumpler C IV, A.E.G. G IV, Albatros C XII, A.E.G. C IV, D.F.W. C V, Hansa- Brandenburg K.D.W., Rumpler 6B1, Friedrichshaven G III, Hansa-Brandenburg W 12, Junkers D I, Junkers CL I, Junkers J I, Hansa-Brandenburg W 29.

    I seem to have gotten a little carried away...
    I like them all too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    In my view if we get a series10, the 1st and formost plane on that list should be a BE2c. It is a icronic aircraft that we should have had ages ago. I would love to series 10 as an all British release with the BE2c, Sopwith Pup, Vickers Gunbus, and of course an Bristol scout. But there again it is only my wish list
    Seconded. We seem to have a great variety of CP planes, and the Entente are lagging behind a bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    We already have Breguet Br.14, although we do need a re-print of it

    Some of the guys in your wish list that I would love seeing, such as Caudron R.11, Friedrichshaven G III, A.E.G. G IV (actually I already have un-official 3D-printed versions of them) would go as especial-packs, if they ever see the light
    You're right. So let's see some more Special Packs while we're at it!

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    Totally! ��

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    Guys, lets try and keep this thread Series9 related. There are a couple of threads out there for wishful thinking already or you can start a new one for the fun of it. Thanks.

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    OK, thanks. I've started a thread called "New series ideas" under WWI General Discussions.

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    Got mine. For once, before shops and customers.

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    Quite right too Andrea. So you should.
    Rob.
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    I'm not used... In the same pack there was part of Kickstarters special ships for Sails of Glory. That customers got by the end of 2013/start 2014...

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    If anyone deserves to receive copies first it is you, Andrea. I am surprised that it is not standard practice.

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    Even WOTC ensured their design team got their complete sets first... you really should have made "First Copies" a condition of the contract, amigo.
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    No problem, and not a complaint. There is an Ocean between me and the warehouse, and this explain much of the fact that I usually wait more than you. With the Kickstarter ships there have been some issues in delivery, incluyding a chilled nation at the moment of re-shipping, and probably some accident damaging a few ships so customers were served first... by far.

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    Have truly been enjoying the wide range of topics discussed on this thread.
    However, by rough count about 80% of the posts have had nothing to do with Series 9.???
    Decks, Pups, potentials for Series 10,11,12...,lots of fun reading but properly fodder for other threads.
    After numerous runs through the many suggestions for color schemes have only been able to nail down the following re planes/pilots: Nieuport 11: Ancillotto, de Turenne, unnamed French pilot
    Albatross CIII: Lang
    Phonix D1: nada
    Sop with 1 1/2 Strutter: nada
    Anyone know the balance of the pilots for the other planes?

    Also, am I reading a note that says the Phonix D1 & Hansa-Brandenburg D1 are same design built by different manufacturers?

    Anyway, who are the other pilots/ schemes for Series 9?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcoon2 View Post
    Have truly been enjoying the wide range of topics discussed on this thread.
    However, by rough count about 80% of the posts have had nothing to do with Series 9.???
    Decks, Pups, potentials for Series 10,11,12...,lots of fun reading but properly fodder for other threads.
    After numerous runs through the many suggestions for color schemes have only been able to nail down the following re planes/pilots: Nieuport 11: Ancillotto, de Turenne, unnamed French pilot
    Albatross CIII: Lang
    Phonix D1: nada
    Sop with 1 1/2 Strutter: nada
    Anyone know the balance of the pilots for the other planes?

    Also, am I reading a note that says the Phonix D1 & Hansa-Brandenburg D1 are same design built by different manufacturers?

    Anyway, who are the other pilots/ schemes for Series 9?
    Regarding the Brandenberg D.I.

    It was built by Brandenburg of Germany 50 produced and by Phonix of AH 72 produced. The Phonix produced ones were a better aircraft by installing a 185hp engine, made lighter and pilot seat was raised. Only 3 of the 68 confirmed kills were attributed to the Brandenburg D.I's.

    The Phonix D.I was built by Phonix in three different series 128, 228 and 328 all had 200hp engines. Its was noted that the pilot could stall the aircraft virtually on the spot and drop several hundred meters without losing control. It was very easy to fly for former 2 seat pilots. It was faster than the Albatros D.III and better flight characteristics than the Aviatik D.I. Some pilots claimed that the aircraft was to stable and slow.

    I hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcoon2 View Post
    Have truly been enjoying the wide range of topics discussed on this thread.
    However, by rough count about 80% of the posts have had nothing to do with Series 9.???
    Decks, Pups, potentials for Series 10,11,12...,lots of fun reading but properly fodder for other threads.
    Welcome to the strange world of the Aerodrome and Anchorage, amigo... a Twilight Zone with more twists and turns than a corkscrew, but eventually always seems to meander back to topic. LOL
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    There are a number of 'pretty' schemes available for the Phoenix, Thomas - some more 'iconic' than others.
    I would hope one of the 1 1/2 Strutters might be from a Home Defense Squadron as they were used later in the war for that purpose.
    And the Albatros CIII was such a workhorse that there should be any number of options.

    Perhaps we haven't heard anything definite because they haven't made those decisions yet... But a little tease would be nice, especially now the Kickstarter is done and the Series 8 stuff is on its way...

    Hope all is well with you - it was great seeing you again in Ada a few weeks ago!

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    It was built by Brandenburg of Germany 50 produced and by Phonix of AH 72 produced. The Phonix produced ones were a better aircraft by installing a 185hp engine, made lighter and pilot seat was raised. Only 3 of the 68 confirmed kills were attributed to the Brandenburg D.I's.
    The Phonix D.I was built by Phonix in three different series 128, 228 and 328 all had 200hp engines. Its was noted that the pilot could stall the aircraft virtually on the spot and drop several hundred meters without losing control. It was very easy to fly for former 2 seat pilots. It was faster than the Albatros D.III and better flight characteristics than the Aviatik D.I. Some pilots claimed that the aircraft was to stable and slow.
    Oooooh, yes, beat me to the punch: but also, some additional notes:
    The original designer was Ernst Heinkel, working for the Hansa-Brandenburg company: this, although a German company, designed & built the original for the Austrian army, not the German army. There was, though, a seaplane variant, the KDW (Kampf-Doppeldekker-Wasser) used by the German Navy. The Austro-Hungarian designs at first, did not have a synchronized machinegun: instead, the gun was mounted in a pod on the top wing-kept a lot of foreign material from getting into the mechanism, but also prevented the pilot from accessing the gun an clearing a jam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenlizard View Post
    Oooooh, yes, beat me to the punch: but also, some additional notes:
    The original designer was Ernst Heinkel, working for the Hansa-Brandenburg company: this, although a German company, designed & built the original for the Austrian army, not the German army. There was, though, a seaplane variant, the KDW (Kampf-Doppeldekker-Wasser) used by the German Navy. The Austro-Hungarian designs at first, did not have a synchronized machinegun: instead, the gun was mounted in a pod on the top wing-kept a lot of foreign material from getting into the mechanism, but also prevented the pilot from accessing the gun an clearing a jam.
    I have not read where the gun was prone to jamming perhaps due to its low rate of fire.

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    Well I am looking forward to all the planes. As probably stated by other this series starts to fill the early war gaps. When is it due for release?

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    Doug, gonna tell you the same thing as the retailers: *laughs*

    Geez, aren't we an impatient bunch? New toys just streeted and barely in hand, and already jonesing for the next hit of Plastic Crack... LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    I have not read where the gun was prone to jamming perhaps due to its low rate of fire.
    Probably no more than any other MG at the time. However, jams happen, and if you can't clear it, well
    This is why pilots objected to aircraft designers' little quirks, like burying the MGs into the fuselage to reduce drag, thus disarming the pilot in event of the inevitable jam.
    IIRC, the Schwarzlose MG M.07/12 had problems being synchronized for firing through the propeller, hence the A-H use of top-wing gun pods.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarz...n_aircraft_gun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Probably no more than any other MG at the time. However, jams happen, and if you can't clear it, well
    This is why pilots objected to aircraft designers' little quirks, like burying the MGs into the fuselage to reduce drag, thus disarming the pilot in event of the inevitable jam.
    IIRC, the Schwarzlose MG M.07/12 had problems being synchronized for firing through the propeller, hence the A-H use of top-wing gun pods.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarz...n_aircraft_gun
    Karl
    Never read where the gun jammed has much as the Lewis. Some AH aces never seem to have a jamming problem at all while using the baby coffin. I think a good house rule would be ignore green jam if flying a Brandenburg D.I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    Never read where the gun jammed has much as the Lewis. Some AH aces never seem to have a jamming problem at all while using the baby coffin. I think a good house rule would be ignore green jam if flying a Brandenburg D.I.
    The Lewis was certainly more prone to jams, due to rounds being feed from a looser storage (pan) than the belt. While I have not researched A-H pilot accounts, this was mentioned as a fault with the gun pod planes in numerous references I've read. Isn't ignoring the green jam token the advantage of a bullet-checker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    ..., the Schwarzlose MG M.07/12 had problems being synchronized for firing through the propeller, hence the A-H use of top-wing gun pods.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarz...n_aircraft_gun
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    Interseting Information, Karl.



    Searched the forum for some threads about the Comic Fighters.

    Do you thinkt that the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter (Comic Fighter) should be able to fire while overlapping the target's base similar to the WGS "Schräge Musik" rules?

    I think this should be allowed against planes with bigger bases (Gothas and Kickstarter Zeppelins) and balloons whith or without altitude rules.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Interseting Information, Karl.



    Searched the forum for some threads about the Comic Fighters.

    Do you thinkt that the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter (Comic Fighter) should be able to fire while overlapping the target's base similar to the WGS "Schräge Musik" rules?

    I think this should be allowed against planes with bigger bases (Gothas and Kickstarter Zeppelins) and balloons whith or without altitude rules.
    Depends on whether they had the Foster mounts (like the Se-5a) or the rigid upward firing mounts. While the Foster was used to fire upward into a opposing aircraft ( notably by Ball), at night, while controlling an aircraft esp. in the turbulence of a Gotha or Giant
    Since the Strutter had either one, I would allow the rule, though maybe as an ace ability(?)
    Karl
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    Definitely depends on the mounting type - this Camel Comic in the IWM has fixed mounts for the Lewis guns pointing forward

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    N6812 is a modified ship's camel, souped up and lightened to give a greater climb rate. The Comic had a longer (ie standard) wingspan, and the cockpit moved back.

    The Sopwith Camel 2 F1 on display in the IWM WW1 Exhibition is the aeroplane which, in 1918 was flown by Flight Sub Lieutenant Stuart D Culley from a barge towed by HMS Redoubt when he shot down German Zeppelin L 53, the last to fall during the first world war

    This version is the navy version, which has a slightly shorter wingspan and replaced the Vickers gun with two Lewis .303 machine guns mounted on top of the upper wing allowing it to fire above the propeller disc.
    The reason for the mods to Culley's machine appears to have been to increase fire power back to a two gun salvo whilst keeping weight down to allow the aircraft to climb as rapidly as possible - two Lewises being lighter than a Vickers and a Lewis. Moreover the Lewis could be loaded with a mixed load of explosive/incendiary rounds and this was not done with the belt fed Vickers, The cost was the reduction in total ammunition (the guns on Culley's machine were not reloadable in flight and only had the basic minimum capacity drum) so the tactic was to climb very fast to Zeppelin operating altitude and make a single firing pass before they could react by dropping ballast. If you think about it similar tactics to the German Me163 rocket fighter of WW2. Culleys machine has been discussed in some detail in a thread some time ago
    http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/fo...owtopic=214742

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    Back OT, do we have a release date for S9 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    The images for Strutter models suggest the twin mount was angled upward

    This looks almost identical to the 1915 copyrighted photo I found of a Bristol Scout; only it had just one Lewis and it appeared to be on a hinge so the gun could be tilted forward a bit. Plus it was a photo of an actual airplane...

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    Quote Originally Posted by guthroth View Post
    Back OT, do we have a release date for S9 ?

    Don't expect them for 2015.

    First we'll see pictures at Facebook & prototypes at toy fairs. Maybe at Essen/Germany in Oktober 2015 but I can't believe this.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Found a real picture of it Sven, front cockpit's faired over, pilot sits in the rear to operate the gun system:



    Looks like the guns stay in that angle up position.

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    Thank you, Dave.

    I get more and more intersted in the home defense squadrons of the RFC.

    If Ares Games promises us a comic fighter version, I'll buy it for shure.

    The only point I'm afraid of is, that the mini may not have the individual construction and position of the armament of a comic fighter. (bigger wings, displaced cockpit other machine guns)
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Any up date when these will be released?

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    So am I right in understanding that we are only getting the single seat fighter version of the Sopwith 1 1/2?

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    This time yes, both in the standard and in the Comic version. In the future the two seater version will be released too.

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    These are some outstanding models to introduce to the game system. Certainly must have been a lot of thought put into the decision. Thanks, really looking forward to these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    This time yes, both in the standard and in the Comic version. In the future the two seater version will be released too.
    That's very disappointing to hear if that's the case, how far in the future can we expect the two seat version to be produced - if ever ?

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