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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    That's very disappointing to hear if that's the case, how far in the future can we expect the two seat version to be produced - if ever ?
    My thought as well. I don't really understand that decision. If a single seat Sopwith was missing from the range it's the Pup not the 1 1/2 and yet the latter would make a very useful additional as a two seater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmo UK View Post
    My thought as well. I don't really understand that decision. If a single seat Sopwith was missing from the range it's the Pup not the 1 1/2 and yet the latter would make a very useful additional as a two seater.
    Quite ! Still, depending on the configuration, maybe they can be used as the single seat bomber version ?

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    yes for sure, the two non-Comic versions.

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    The two-seater was the standard form of the 1 1/2 Strutter. The single seater bomber and the comic night-fighter were specialized versions.

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    Very interesting. I would have never guessed the single seat would have came out before the 2 seater. It really does not matter I'm hooked.
    I hope one of them will be French.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmo UK View Post
    My thought as well. I don't really understand that decision. If a single seat Sopwith was missing from the range it's the Pup not the 1 1/2 and yet the latter would make a very useful additional as a two seater.
    My first thought to!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    This time yes, both in the standard and in the Comic version. In the future the two seater version will be released too.
    A fairly odd turn of events; I suppose that if the comic version was desired, only to other 1 seat versions could be made at the same time, given how these models are made.
    Of course, that gives us 2 bombers, and a nightfighter
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    Short Version: Ares Screws Up Again.

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    I wonder if they could have made the two seat version for two models then popped in a blanking piece over one cockpit opening to make the fuselage a single seat format, adding the angled guns as required.

    Yet another classic example of ARES utterly bizarre thinking that seems to make little commercial sense.

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    yup! the single seat version of the 1 1/2 is disappointing
    I don't understand this tendency to produce minis of rare birds when when we still lack some of the most commonly used planes
    Additionally, two-seat 1 1/2 would had been a nice counter part to the also two-seater Albatross C.III

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    There really is no pleasing us

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    I'm kind of shocked as well. The classic strutter is the two seater. I have never compared blueprints, but I believe the single version kept one seat in the same position, and faired over the other? As stated, it would seem simple to produce a plug to cover one of the cockpits so we could have both 2 seat and single seat versions in one set. They do it for the guns after all.

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    I'm not that familiar with the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, but I think I'll mainly use them for British home defense.

    Maybe the idea was to fight the upcoming Staakens or Zeppelins over England.
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    You can always get a 2 seat Strutter via Shapeways. They were a popular aircraft with the RNAS & French.

    Here is mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Found a real picture of it Sven, front cockpit's faired over, pilot sits in the rear to operate the gun system:



    Looks like the guns stay in that angle up position.
    "Schrage musik" anyone, how long did bomber command scratch their heads, don't spose anyone thought of asking the old home defence or fighter command.

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    The 1.5 strutter spent a lot of time in it's many formats, to release the fighters first I would say is a mistake for us, maybe not so for ares, it would be nice to be privy to their descision making process. It was the staple workhorse bomber for both British air forces and has been mentioned the French loved it also. Just my two penneth, I'm off to a "Galaxy a long time ago far,far away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I'm not that familiar with the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, but I think I'll mainly use them for British home defense.

    Maybe the idea was to fight the upcoming Staakens or Zeppelins over England.
    It was an iconic victim-plane during the Bloody April, Sven. Having them would result in many ready to go quite historically based scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    You can always get a 2 seat Strutter via Shapeways. They were a popular aircraft with the RNAS & French.

    Here is mine.

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    Beautiful paint/decal job, Barry. Are the triangle markings connected in a way with Middle East fights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I'm not that familiar with the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, but I think I'll mainly use them for British home defense.

    Maybe the idea was to fight the upcoming Staakens or Zeppelins over England.
    I'm sure this was the major driving factor behind us getting the single seat version first. They are developing the releases with an eye towards adding the most value across the entire range. The home defense model greatly expands the play option with the coming Giants and gives us an early war fighter/bomber. Had they given us the tw seat version first, the only thing we would have got was another two seater for an earlier time period (even if it was an iconic one). The scenario/missions we could play would not have changed much at all besides the years they took place in.

    And with our complaints of how they mess up little details (wings to thick, etc.), would we really have wanted them to tried just plugging one of the holes to get teh single seater?? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    And with our complaints of how they mess up little details (wings to thick, etc.), would we really have wanted them to tried just plugging one of the holes to get teh single seater?? lol
    A very distinct point.
    Frankly, I can live with 1 seater Strutters; according to the UAC, the decks are all the same, so I can use Ares decks for Shapeways strutters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I'm sure this was the major driving factor behind us getting the single seat version first. They are developing the releases with an eye towards adding the most value across the entire range. The home defense model greatly expands the play option with the coming Giants and gives us an early war fighter/bomber. Had they given us the tw seat version first, the only thing we would have got was another two seater for an earlier time period (even if it was an iconic one). The scenario/missions we could play would not have changed much at all besides the years they took place in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    A very distinct point.
    Frankly, I can live with 1 seater Strutters; according to the UAC, the decks are all the same, so I can use Ares decks for Shapeways strutters
    Karl
    Actually, we could use a two-seater base and card with a single seated plane, as the airframe dimensions are exactly the same.

    It may loose a bit of visual appeal, but if all players agree to the substitution, I could see using the same plane for both configurations. Perhaps not the best solution, but workable for my gaming table.

    PS: Especially if I'm using substitutions for other planes, as suggested in this thread: General Overview of WWI Miniatures - Timeline and Theaters - 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Actually, we could use a two-seater base and card with a single seated plane, as the airframe dimensions are exactly the same.

    It may loose a bit of visual appeal, but if all players agree to the substitution, I could see using the same plane for both configurations. Perhaps not the best solution, but workable for my gaming table.
    Yes, we can suffer with substitution until they come out with the two seater. I don't see this a a big deal...especially as I have several Shapeways 2 seaters to fly in the meantime. (the card you did for my Bee covered 1 1/2!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Beautiful paint/decal job, Barry. Are the triangle markings connected in a way with Middle East fights?
    G'day Andy! No my "take" on a similar RNAS Strutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    And with our complaints of how they mess up little details (wings to thick, etc.), would we really have wanted them to tried just plugging one of the holes to get teh single seater?? lol
    Except we're going to have that anyway.... The bomber has the front cockpit only, and the rear one faired over, but for the Comic the front cockpit was faired over and the pilot in the rear cockpit, as he wouldn't be able to access the guns if the forward cockpit position was used....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    according to the UAC, the decks are all the same, so I can use Ares decks for Shapeways strutters
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    I guess I need to get cracking on some Strutters of my own to help fill the gap.

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    More additions are always welcome, but we're not badly off for Strutters - Kampfflieger and Decapod both do them, so be aware you're probably not looking at a hot seller there.

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    I will prabably buy one or two as long as they look good.

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    I will get them all even though I have 6 Shapeways painted. How can you resist new planes?

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    Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:

    in this release, we'll have the two seat version (two styles) and the "Comic fighter" version (one seat to the rear).
    So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:

    So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol
    Well, now that that is cleared up, what's next on the ugly rumor agenda to get folks all cranked up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:



    So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:

    in this release, we'll have the two seat version (two styles) and the "Comic fighter" version (one seat to the rear).
    So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol
    So is Roberto not talking to Andrea, or is this a translation issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    So is Roberto not talking to Andrea, or is this a translation issue

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    Andrea has mentioned a couple of times that he is not fully inside the "production" loop. It's quite possible a change was made after he got his information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Andrea has mentioned a couple of times that he is not fully inside the "production" loop. It's quite possible a change was made after he got his information.
    "Let not the Left Hand know what the Right Hand is doing" is fine for Special Operations work (and some other activities which the Family-Friendly nature of this Forum precludes me mentioning >;) ); but for a company producing a product, NO ES BUENO....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:



    So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol
    So much the better, would have bought either way. I still hope one of them is French.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    but for a company producing a product, NO ES BUENO....
    My understanding is that Andrea does not work for Ares... so him not being involved in the production process is par for course.

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    Anyway its great news that we are getting both 2 seat & Comic versions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    Anyway its great news that we are getting both 2 seat & Comic versions.

    Yes, that is good news and a bit of a relief!
    It's about time we got a few of the standard two-seaters that fighters have a chance of shooting down.

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    ...in this release, we'll have the two seat version (two styles) and the "Comic fighter" version.
    That makes much more sense - thanks for clarifying the point with Roberto Keith. Noduff !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    My understanding is that Andrea does not work for Ares... so him not being involved in the production process is par for course.
    My fault. A problem of memory, not of communication. The bulk of the discussion with Ares about the Strutter and its three versions has been back in 2012. Then we spoke about in again in 2013. Last checks have been in summer 2014 - after that it has been more a production process that I see partially and from far away. In the meantime I had my head on a few more series for WW2 and WW2, Sails' ships, heavy bomber, Kickstarter, optional rules... Ok, I had other thoughts and then I was rusty on that matter - when in this thread I read that the released versions were 1-seater and Comic I took it for true without checking. Sorry for that.
    In any case I confirm that all three versions were in the plans, and should be eventually released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicola Zee View Post
    Yes, that is good news and a bit of a relief!
    It's about time we got a few of the standard two-seaters that fighters have a chance of shooting down.
    Amen to that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Probably no more than any other MG at the time. However, jams happen, and if you can't clear it, well
    This is why pilots objected to aircraft designers' little quirks, like burying the MGs into the fuselage to reduce drag, thus disarming the pilot in event of the inevitable jam.
    IIRC, the Schwarzlose MG M.07/12 had problems being synchronized for firing through the propeller, hence the A-H use of top-wing gun pods.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarz...n_aircraft_gun
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    I read somewhere one of the problems was moisture getting into the canvas ammo belt with all the associated problems of icing and stretching. Metal self destructing belts are much better than fabric ones for aircraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by PilGrim View Post
    I read somewhere one of the problems was moisture getting into the canvas ammo belt with all the associated problems of icing and stretching. Metal self destructing belts are much better than fabric ones for aircraft
    My reading lead me to believe the AH solved the problem of moisture. By making sure the belts were dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    My reading lead me to believe the AH solved the problem of moisture. By making sure the belts were dry.
    Good luck with that when you fly anywhere in Europe - those clouds that so regularly fill the sky have a certain water content


    Getting back on topic - it seems I'm the only one a bit disappointed we are not getting the single seat light bomber version of the Strutter - ah well, there's always Shapeways
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    Quote Originally Posted by PilGrim View Post
    Good luck with that when you fly anywhere in Europe - those clouds that so regularly fill the sky have a certain water content


    Getting back on topic - it seems I'm the only one a bit disappointed we are not getting the single seat light bomber version of the Strutter - ah well, there's always Shapeways
    You win, Godwin Brumowski and the rest of the AH airforce must have been clueless.

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    can I ask a stupid question, is the numbering of these series spanning both wars? I have an excel sheet that I copied and pasted names and some pics from a sticky here ( I thought), and I have

    S1 the one with the Fokker DR1
    S2 the one with the Spad XIII
    S3 the one with the Hanriot HD1
    S4 the one with the Spad SVII

    then I have a tab called "new" haha

    but it has 8 planes, which I would make it as Series 5 and 6, thats like the Fokker DVII,Snipe,FokkerEV,Nieuport28 (S5 I thought), and then Roland,AircoDH4,Macchi and Hanover which I assumed meant Series 6

    but this is called series 8 in another thread here and "series 9" is talked about as next

    so either Im missing 2 complete sets of 4 planes, or the numbering isnt exclusive to WW1 or I'm missing something else

    help?

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    having a hard time finding an Airco DH4 to round out the new collection, any reason why that plane in particular is hard to get hold of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldsdbomber View Post
    can I ask a stupid question, is the numbering of these series spanning both wars?
    It shouldn't, but it's also not an official designation any more. Let me see if I can remember the series...

    1: Fokker Dr.1, Albatros D.Va, Sopwith Camel, SPAD XIII
    2: Fokker D.VII, Sopwith Snipe, 2-seaters
    3: Nieuport XVII, Albatros D.III, more 2-seaters
    4: Se-5a, Pfalz D.III, more 2-seaters:
    5: Airco DH-2, Moraine-Saulnier Bullet, Halberstadt D.III, Fokker Eindekker
    6: SPAD VII, Sopwith Triplane, Albatros D.II, Siemens-Schuckert D.III
    7: Hanriot HD-1, Aviatik D.1, more 2-seaters
    8: Nieuport 28, Fokker D.VIII, Macchi M5, another 2-seater

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    Lee, if you PM me your email I can send you a better spreadsheet which includes everything--at a lot more detail--of the released products, both Ares and Nexus, both mini and defunct card lines.

    It's got a lot of blanks that need filling in and things that need re-formatting still, so you'd be getting a look at a work-in-process that's been in development for several years.
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    Love all of them even the Phoenix for fighting the Italians

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