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Thread: B-17s and Lancasters now available for pre-orders!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    Recently I made the mistake of ordering in Aust with all the details they had they still sent it to the wrong address and in a different state.I finaly got my models and the store made it up to me, but it is not the first time this has happend in Aust, but I have learnt my lesson, bugger supporting LGS I am only ordering from Keith from now on.
    Sorry to hear you had issue with your LGS Alastair, and thanks for the vote of confidence with AA.

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    As stated lesson learned and pre order for the next set with Keith so I know I will get them when released.

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    There's been talk for a while about the Heinkels being over gunned, and the B17's are definitely stronger, I would like to know more about how the maths was worked out for the A and B damage decks. My assumption is that they were figured out based on forward firing guns from fighter planes. Should they be actually a different formula when figuring guns from the less stable turrets on a bomber? ie, surely aiming at nightfighters while your lancaster corkscrews was a challenging task..
    I am wondering if I want the A deck to reflect more misses when I'm attacking B17's. Especially when the altitude rules are not in effect, and you are less able to replicate 'diving through formations'

    Thoughts?

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    I modify my bombers to the period that I am playing. For example I have reduced the the armament for my BoB Heinkels. whereas my my Heinkles for the Russian front are the snow cammo ones and I use these as issued. Just because a model has set armament on it does not mean you cannot change it to suit the period you are playing. I know it does sound obvious, but I think it is a point that has been missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Sorry to hear you had issue with your LGS Alastair, and thanks for the vote of confidence with AA.
    I am quite fussy about ordering my mins and as I am retired I have to count every dollar, and I do not like being stuffed around. Although mistakes happen from time to time (which I am prepared to accept particularly if Australia post is involved). However Keith I have never had a problem with the products or time sent from AA. So thanks for a great service.

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    Like Barry I am useing my "Mephis Bell" for the Pacific converted it to an E model long range recon unit based at Ohau few gun modifications and change of decales, just the job.

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    Has anyone noticed that B-17 miniatures wings have an important Dihedral angle compared to the B-17 front view scheme ?
    Or does it only concern the mini that I purchased ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    Has anyone noticed that B-17 miniatures wings have an important Dihedral angle compared to the B-17 front view scheme ?
    Or does it only concern the mini that I purchased ?

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    I don't own the mini personally but perhaps it depends on the variant? A few schemes I've looked at seem to have a bit steeper of an angle than the scheme you posted. Though none seem to be as extreme as the picture of the mini. Interesting note!

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    it does seem a bit extreme

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    I have my B17's in my lounge room and walk past them many times a day. They are next to the Lancasters which have very little dihedral, and I often notice it. I had never guessed it could be inaccurate though! Funny you should bring this up, I had thought about it just this morning.

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    The dihedral on the B-17 should be 4.5 degrees... and the dihedral angle on the outer wings of the Lancaster should be 7 degrees. I don't have the models in front of me... but I'm certainly going to take a closer look when I can.

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    So... as far as it looks to my increasingly poor eyes, the B-17 model has a little too much dihedral (upward slope), whereas the Lancaster model doesn't have nearly enough. In fact, the Lancaster is missing it's somewhat "gull-shaped" wing shape (inner wing almost no dihedral, outer wing upwards at 7 degrees) completely.










    Is it noticeable to someone who's familiar with either aircraft and looking for it...? I'd have to say yes. Is it going to bother me now that I know...? Maybe for a little, but I hope not for too long as life's too short. Will the average-man-on-the-street recognize that the models aren't, perhaps, exactly to spec...? Probably not.

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    Fair point, not really enough to stop me from buying one or two in the future either.

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    Yes, they are off... but they still look real good to me as gaming minis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Yes, they are off... but they still look real good to me as gaming minis.
    My thoughts exactly. I have no regrets concerning my purchase.

    My assumption about the lack of dihedral on the Lancaster is that it has more to do with manufacturing concerns/costs than accuracy, and this isn't the first B-17 model to overdue the dihedral, and it probably won't be the last.

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    ...and in about a week, Clipper will have pics of these minis with "correct" dihedral.... :)

    Still, could be worse.... >:)

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    You should compare the miniature to a B17 in flight with a full bombload.

    You'll see it fits.



    What a about "Grog's the Shots" rear gun armament?

    Do I need to askt the question at BGG to get an answer?

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...caster-bombers
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Sorry, I did not see the question. Alas, it seems that the statistics for firecones 2 and 3 on grog the shot's cards and bases were inverted - the B at short range should be for cone 3, not for 2.

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    The dihedral on a Lancaster was even more pronounced when it was carrying a Grand Slam bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xen View Post
    Finally got my bombers! whoo! 1 of each, but Im tempted to get a few more Lancs.

    Out of interest, I noticed the B17's have 2x VI tokens printed, and no IV token. Anyone else notice that?
    Yes! A few years after your very just observation; it is true that when all the pawns are un-punched, it is not noticed but by looking if everything is complete I saw the error ...

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    I would want to be crewman No.4 - immune to wounds!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Well seen. Never noticed it.
    A load of small production issues struck these Lancaster and B.17 miniatures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    it seems that the statistics for firecones 2 and 3 on grog the shot Lancaster cards and bases were inverted - the B at short range should be for cone 3, not for 2.

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    chee911sc : beautiful " adjustment" shot

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