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    Now that I have a squadron of Mossies, I need a few cards. Sadly I did not find a card among the few WWII cards I gathered from the site over the years, anyone have one? And what base(s) to use? The elves are busy learning new things!


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    I can sent you a mosquito card of you post your E-mail

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    Raptor check your PM's. Awaiting info for ships,
    Neil.
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    The file uploading isn't working right now, so :
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    Karl
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    Cracking card Karl.
    Thanks.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Great card Karl. Any chance of just publishing the plane when the file section is sorted? Then we could use it on other cards etc.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Not my creation; it's one of Max's cards. I think the only Mossie he did.
    Karl
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    Max did a great job. But a PR mossie is unarmed, so is the bomber version. The Fighter-bomber has 4 .303 mg's and 4 20mm cannon, which translates to BCCCC and ACC. short then long range.

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    Gentlemen,
    In the absence (or at least sporadic presence) of Max, I may be able to do a few things to this card in a few days.

    Max probably has a nice layered build that would make it easy to change, I'll have to reverse-engineer it, a bit. It may also not have the nice highlights and shading, but I will put a few other color schemes up, as well.

    I will try to match my previously posted color schemes and pilots, if possible, too. Patience please, as I' m into the last few weeks of my college courses, and final projects, exams and such are getting in the way.

    Mike

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    OK, I'm avoiding homework.

    This is the patch job, so far. The easy part. [Edit: The plane is Not still the PR Mk 34.]
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    I don't have any clean graphics of a MK IV top view, so I'm gonna have to do it the hard way [Edit: I found a poor one].
    Are the damage and maneuver right? Will they change from Mk to Mk?

    [Edit: Damage and Maneuver adjusted]
    [Edit again!: Darn, guys! There is no MkIV FBs, the MkIV Bs didn't have guns. And I forgot the Red Dot!]

    Does anyone have squadrons and pilots they want done? Ask now! Please provide any changes to the stats, if you can, or ask on the thread.

    Mike
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 04-06-2014 at 15:48. Reason: New Cards with Red Dot!

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    Just glancing at it quickly (and not trying to step on anyones' toes), an H deck would be OK; a Q* (minus the extreme SS) would be better.
    For hits, I'd go with 26. There's a good variation in the Mosquitos' stats between Mks and usage. This will take a while; something I'm discovering with WW2 planes, esp. those with long service lives and long development periods.
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    ... an H deck would be OK; a Q* (minus the extreme SS) would be better.
    For hits, I'd go with 26. ...
    Karl
    Done.

    Mike

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    Darn, guys!

    Loving an aircraft isn't enough, if you are doing up cards. You have to know stuff. So, the card is redone, again. And I added in an RCAF 418 Sqn bird, too.

    There were "all Black" night PRs, too. That is gonna take a bit of doing to reverse the line drawing so that the panels and controls show.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Does anyone have squadrons and pilots they want done?
    Just to be Really Annoying:

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    Just to be Really Annoying:
    Back at you... Top view? Colors? Pilot/Nav?

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Back at you... Top view? Colors? Pilot/Nav?

    Mike
    Found something...


    PR XVI 858th Squadron, USAAF, “GREEK” s/n NS725 ‘F’ based at Harrington, 19 March 1945 - USAAF Mosquito color scheme

    I can do something with this...

    Mike

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    Where did you get the Mosquitos from?

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    See my "pour me a mosquito" thread on the hobby resin and metal section : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Back at you... Top view? Colors? Pilot/Nav?
    Well, the colors are in the desc. -- "PRU Blue upper surfaces; Night everywhere else", so Top View would be mostly PRU Blue, with Night on the engines nacelles and spinners. Crew -- unknown. "Four position insignia" -- I have no idea what that means.

    Oh, and the sqdn. number appears to be incorrect -- 25th BG's sqdn.s were 652nd, 653rd, and 654th. 492nd Bomb Squadron flew in PTO,and didn't operate anything with less than four engines. (Based on the paint scheme, that DH98 is mostly likely with 654th Sqdn., which specialized in night-recon work.)

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    Kinda like this?





    Couldn't resist the profile and its American too! Good thing since my printer ran out of color ink whilst printing off the stickers, just happen to have some US markings in the file . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    Just to be Really Annoying:
    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Chris, here you go. And yes, doing the black empannage was a PITA, as was painting out the D-Day stripes.

    And I have noted the discrepancy in information, too. Must be the Russian site. I have this plane as part of 858th Bombardment Squadron (Very Heavy), attached to 492nd Bombardment Group. The card reflects this. All the undersides are painted black, including the lower part of the engine nacelles and nose, but the visible parts on a card are all blue, except the empennage.
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    Enjoy!

    [Edit} I can't find any "All Black" American paint schemes, David. Do you have any info on the paint scheme you used?

    Mike
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 04-07-2014 at 22:25. Reason: All Black American Mossies?

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    I used the profile CSADN put on post #15, could he be WRONG?! First time ever! (Still in shock over the possibility)

    Here are my others so far . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    I used the profile CSADN put on post #15, could he be WRONG?! First time ever! (Still in shock over the possibility)
    David,

    If you look close at that scheme, the top of the plane is a dark blue. However, I can't use a side profile for a card, and went looking for a top view, to get the markings and any variations in color on the top of the wings. Interestingly enough, the one I found is the same registration number, and airfield. So, it is probably the same plane, despite the differences.

    I'm still looking for crew names, but that is looking more and more difficult. 492nd Bombardment Group was disbanded due to heavy casualties and became an OSS front for OPERATION CARPETBAGGER, a classified night flying endeavor. So, not many records or available information.

    Mike

    [Edit] So, it appears that the Mossie above IS a "Carpetbagger". Probably running night harrassment bombing, as cover for 859th Sqn's clandestine missions: Operation Carpetbagger.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 04-07-2014 at 23:12. Reason: Link to Op Carpetbagger

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    Yes mine is dark blue on top and black undersides, so close in color it is hard to tell, I hope the clear coat will look better . . .

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    Looks pretty good as is to me Dave.
    You have produced a great copy from that original.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    The profile said "Night", not "Black" -- I'm not sure what US "Night" was, but I have a vague recollection of it being not-exactly-black, and actual black didn't camouflage at night correctly. The British used a mix of carbon-black and ultramarine (due to varying quality-control levels, often the "same" color differed across units).

    As to "all-black" paintwork on US units, there's these Cats: http://sofrep.com/12645/black-cats-rule-the-night/ .... >;)

    492nds: There was a 492nd *Squadron*, which was the B-24 outfit in the Pacific Theatre, and a 492nd *Group* which was the one which got its a** kicked over France, and was used to reboot the outfit which had once been the 801st BG [Provisional]. Search engines *really* don't like it when two groups have essentially similar names. :P

    Oh, and if you wanted crew names: http://www.801492.org/Air%20Crew/Crewz.htm .... >;)

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    Chris,
    Not fair. David is not painting Catalinas. The Brits did paint a few of their Mossies all black, though. I was hoping to find an American one for David's seriously dark Mossie.

    Thanks for the name site. However, I can't seem to find the Mossie crews. And have you noticed that there are no ranks? Interesting that they just use names for everyone, even the COs. So, unless your eyes are lots better than mine, scanning the available pictures for ranks is a bust. Any cards I make up from this group won't have ranks on the cards. That might add a bit of realism and flavor to the cards, though...

    Mike

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    Nice cards Oldguy. Only change I would recommend, the front of the canopy on the FB and NF's is flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Thanks for the name site. However, I can't seem to find the Mossie crews. And have you noticed that there are no ranks? Interesting that they just use names for everyone, even the COs. So, unless your eyes are lots better than mine, scanning the available pictures for ranks is a bust. Any cards I make up from this group won't have ranks on the cards. That might add a bit of realism and flavor to the cards, though...
    Well, it *is* a SpecWar unit -- how do we know those are real names? >;)

    Do a card with the crew name section consisting of Black Bars. :)

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    Ooooooo! Special Ops! Now I want a set of Westland Lysanders to make some night drops! Do we play in the dark as well? Could be very interesting!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRYCx_G25ro
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    Not exactly special ops, but a black Mossie...

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    Attempting to produce a WoG standard card for the Mossie, like the one I did for the Italian Bf-110.

    You can see a Mk VI FB in Dark Green/Ocean Grey on this thread: Non official "Official Plane Cards with WoG Layout"

    Let me know what you think.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Not exactly special ops, but a black Mossie...

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    Attempting to produce a WoG standard card for the Mossie, like the one I did for the Italian Bf-110.

    You can see a Mk VI FB in Dark Green/Ocean Grey on this thread: Non official "Official Plane Cards with WoG Layout"

    Let me know what you think.

    Mike
    Yes, given the plane`s size it probably rates a heavy fighter/small bomber card, didn`t Zoe mention that the commitiee was going for 24 damage though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit 3 View Post
    Yes, given the plane`s size it probably rates a heavy fighter/small bomber card, didn`t Zoe mention that the commitiee was going for 24 damage though?
    I was looking for Mosquito stats in the Unofficial Stats Excel file, especially for the different marks, but didn't find any. Help? More cards will appear...

    Mike

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    I can't remember the Mosquito coming up, but there have been a lot.
    Let me check, and get back later this week.
    Karl
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    The unofficial stats committee had the hit points as 26... but 25 is within margin of error.

    First draft was:
    G4M Betty - 26 (-5 for no self-sealing or armour = 21)
    G3M Nell - 23
    Wellington - 30
    Ju88 - 27
    Do17 - 23
    A-20 - 27
    Pe2 - 25
    Mosquito - 26
    Glenn Martin B-10 - 22
    Baltimore - 27
    Maryland - 23
    Whitley - 30
    Hampden - 24
    SB2 - 23
    IL4 - 25
    Br20 - 26
    SM79 - 28
    I found the relevent post and it turns out I`ve misremembered it anyway.
    The stats are still provisional but it so there isn`t an exel file yet but they appear to be going for 26 as well!

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    I agree Robert. I would expect the card size to be the same as the Beaufighter.
    Rob.
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    Is there any info on maneuver decks and damage for different marks? Or can I produce color schemes and squadron/pilot cards indiscriminately for the 30 different versions? Range, climb rates, bomb loads are irrelevant for cards.

    Mike

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    I can't find a good source for the different Mks online. Can anyone suggest a book to look for?
    Karl
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    Smile

    Mike

    Here is one you can make for me. I included some inspirational material!


    Rich
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I can't find a good source for the different Mks online. Can anyone suggest a book to look for?
    Karl
    This has some info on the different Mks:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito

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    487 (NZ) Squadron RNZAF
    Squadron code "EG"

    Plane code "Y"? Can't find who piloted this plane. It wasn't listed as part of the raid that wiped out the squadron.

    So, who to list?

    Mike

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    Mike

    According to the museums information the 487 Squadron RNZAF marking were picked to honor the New Zealand team the restored the Mossy. As to the actual pilot i could not help you. I f you want to buy your own Mossy a sister to this one is for sale. It is a work in progress restoration Price: $3,650,000 NZD. Three years of work and a bunch more money should see it in the air.

    Rich


    http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!mosquito/c1gbn

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    Richard,

    This is the info I was looking for, to produce cards:

    No 487 Squadron

    RS570 'X' Gp Capt R N Bateson / Sqn Ldr E B Sismore (Raid Leader)
    PZ402 'A' Wg Cdr F M Denton / Fg Off A J Coe (damaged, belly landed at base)
    PZ462 'J' Flt Lt R J Dempsey / Flt Sgt E J Paige (hit by flak, 1 engine u/s, returned safely)
    PZ339 'T' Sqn Ldr W P Kemp / Flt Lt R Peel
    SZ985 'M' Fg Off G L Peet / Fg Off L A Graham
    NT123 'Z' Flt Lt D V Pattison / Flt Sgt F Pygram (missing)

    So, now I have six options for Mosquito cards, and some P-51 escorts, if someone wanted to do up a scenario.

    Attack on Gestapo Headquarters Copenhagen

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    So, now I have six options for Mosquito cards, and some P-51 escorts, if someone wanted to do up a scenario.

    Attack on Gestapo Headquarters Copenhagen

    Mike
    Now there's a game that's needing to be played
    Some impressive bomb-aiming done there!
    Karl
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    I found a number of Mosquito cards but none that matched the Mosquitos I just picked up. Anyone have the time and desire to create another Mosquito card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abovetheclouds View Post
    I found a number of Mosquito cards but none that matched the Mosquitos I just picked up. Anyone have the time and desire to create another Mosquito card?
    Looks a pretty simple scheme, if OldGuy doesn't beat me to it I may be able to put something together later this week. I have an FB.VI template so its just a case of doing the ID stripes, pacific roundels and code letters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abovetheclouds View Post
    I found a number of Mosquito cards but none that matched the Mosquitos I just picked up. Anyone have the time and desire to create another Mosquito card?

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    RAF No. 82 Squadron, Johari, Bengal 1945. Can't find a crew...
    Mike
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    Thanks! I would definitely appreciate any assistance.

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    Check for accuracy, please:

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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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