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Thread: Official Macchi mc.202 Folgore Painting Thread

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    Probably one of the best AIR200 minis. Acceptable.



    This might come strange, but when a miniature is not splendid, you feel more free to try different approaches on painting.



    You feel that if things go wrong you're not "betraying" the quality of the miniature.



    So I really enjoyed painting these birds. The Folgore's are some of the most beautiful planes in ww2.



    They have the lines of Italian sport cars. Really.
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    You are right about their appearance, Quim. Very beautiful birds and nicely done. How did you manage to paint the camo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    They have the lines of Italian sport cars. Really.
    Nice work! I agree... beautiful, and they just look fast.

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    Thanks, my friends.
    Andy, the camouflage is snakebite leather brown and I've used a black permanent pen to draw the circles.

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    Anobody has cards for that beauty?
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    My Folgores are finally ready for action over the desert.
    Magister Militium 1/200 metal models painted with Pactra acrylics Desert/Green with light grey undesrides..
    Decals provided by AIM, but some of them are the leftovers. The schemes are semi-historical.
    Various and not exactly historical and sometimes not to scale markings were used.
    The camo painting is the worst of mine so far and I have a headache looking at it, but from a tabletop view the minis are just acceptable.
    Cards are downloaded, printed and laminated.















    Last edited by Nightbomber; 10-25-2015 at 05:07.
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    Oh! Very nice, Andy!
    REP.

    Ops! Can´t give you more rep for now.

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    Bob on time Andy.
    I have just spent tyhe last 10 minutes checking sources to find where I could get these as AiM has had them on its coming soon list for two years.
    Thanks for that one. I owe you.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Very nice MC.202 and repaints ... I do have a special interest in Italian aircraft of WW2 but only the Official CR.42 Falcos / Re.2001 Falco IIs in my Wings of Glory Collection.

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    Can you point me to the cards Andy.
    Rep on the way.
    Rob.
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    Aircraft ordered!!
    Rob.
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    Thanks for you kind comments, chaps.
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    Seeing these little gems makes it hard to want to limit myself to '44-'45 Italy and nightfighters...

    You lads tempt me - you sorely tempt me!!

    Gorgeous work...

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Nice work gents. Especially on the camo.

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    On the advice of DarrylH on Shapeways, no idea of his handle on here, I have thrown together a model for the Macchi C.202 Folgore on Shapeways.

    For two:https://www.shapeways.com/product/F8...lgore-x2-1-200
    For three:https://www.shapeways.com/product/H6...lgore-1-200-x3
    Last edited by Foz; 11-21-2015 at 12:18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    Thanks, my friends.
    Andy, the camouflage is snakebite leather brown and I've used a black permanent pen to draw the circles.
    Someone else dipping into their stock of Citadel colors I see..... ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Can you point me to the cards Andy.
    Rep on the way.
    Rob.
    Not sure where Andy got his cards, but there are a few more in my album besides this one:

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    Link: WWII Axis Fighters Album

    [Edit: Card updated to 2015 Unofficial Stats]
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 10-30-2015 at 10:14. Reason: Card updated
    Mike
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    Mike, these were probably taken from your album, which is always a great source of ready to print material.
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    Looking at the card, I am a bit confused Mike.
    I have been reading a book about the C202 Folgore in which it gives the statement that they were under powered in the fire power when compared to the Spitfire V. This card seems to indicate that they were on a par with the Spit. As I am only scratching at the surface of these later types of aircraft with no real knowledge, i would like to ask why the guns are BCC.
    Maybe one of the stats committee could enlighten me.
    Bye the bye the cards are really stunning as usual Mike.
    Thanks Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foz View Post
    On the advice of DarrylH on Shapeways, no idea of his handle on here, I have thrown together a model for the Macchi C.202 Folgore on Shapeways.

    For two:https://www.shapeways.com/product/F8...lgore-x2-1-200
    For three:https://www.shapeways.com/product/TM...lgore-x3-1-200
    I actually have the same handle here, Steve. The C.202s look great, and I know that I'll be placing an order for them in the next day or so. Probably won't be the only one doing so . Thanks very much, and look forward to seeing more of your designs.

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    Stats Com stated H - BA/A as I have on other cards. I think this is correct.

    BCC is probably mistaken with Mc 205 Veltro (later type).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrylH View Post
    I actually have the same handle here, Steve. The C.202s look great, and I know that I'll be placing an order for them in the next day or so. Probably won't be the only one doing so . Thanks very much, and look forward to seeing more of your designs.
    See it's logical to have the same handle on different sites, I wonder why I didn't think of that

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    With the cards already available it is easy to field this aircraft in WGS. Moreover, it may take part in Med and EF scenarios.
    I still can not understand why ARES published Reggiane instead of this Macchi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Looking at the card, I am a bit confused Mike.
    I have been reading a book about the C202 Folgore in which it gives the statement that they were under powered in the fire power when compared to the Spitfire V. This card seems to indicate that they were on a par with the Spit. As I am only scratching at the surface of these later types of aircraft with no real knowledge, i would like to ask why the guns are BCC.
    Maybe one of the stats committee could enlighten me.
    Digging through Jane's, my go to hernia of WWII stats, the C.202 had two 12.7mm machine guns in the fuselage firing through the prop, and two 7.7mm in the wings. I'm still relatively new to how all the stats vs mechanics work though. Though a quick read makes me believe it should be AB/B. I have put a query in with the committee on this, as I'm unsure of my workings, and they disagree with the 'official'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB401 View Post
    Someone else dipping into their stock of Citadel colors I see..... ;-)
    Snakebite leather, one of my favorite colors! I better get me some Folgores.

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    I'm starting to see where the confusion may lie with armaments. Up to Serie VII many M.202s only had the fuselage 12.7mm MGs, so would be B/A. Serie VIII and after had the wing guns and would be AB/B by my calculations. This is still to be discussed though.
    Also there was a model with two 20mm 151/20s in under wing fairings, but that's for another day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Stats Com stated H - BA/A as I have on other cards. I think this is correct.

    BCC is probably mistaken with Mc 205 Veltro (later type).
    Thanks Andy. That would make more sense.
    When I downloaded yours I noticed it had BA/A.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    When I researched the M.202, it was noted that the 2 7.7mm MGs weren't installed before the series IV, and was often removed by pilots due to being perceived ineffective by 1942.
    If you rule that your M.202s have the 7.7mm MGs, then the guns would be A-B/A. The 12.7mms drop from B to A at long range, and 7.7mms drop off. If the 7.7mms were by themselves, they would retain the A rating at long range.
    The cannon version became the M.205V.
    Karl
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    Thanks for that confirmation Karl.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    I tried to find out where the numbers came from, because I don't usually make this up.

    I found commensurate stats in an older version of the unofficial stats. In that version, there was a late model MC.202 with cannons. That is what my cards represented.

    Now, with the latest stats, there is no late version. Now what? Update the stats, or change the cards?

    PS: Research says that the cannon-armed version was a single prototype, and never flew in combat. The latest Unofficial Stats are the right ones, and the cards need to change.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 10-29-2015 at 21:19.
    Mike
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    Sorry I seem to have put the cat amongst the pigeons again Mike.
    I was not trying to create even more work for you.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    I have been corrected by Karl and Zoe on the stats. The workings were vague in the rules, but I now have the right system, so can work out armaments correctly.
    Sorry to cause confusion.

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    Life happens Steve.
    Don't worry about it. All sorted well before I started making transparent overlays or printing the wrong cards.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Sorry I seem to have put the cat amongst the pigeons again Mike.
    I was not trying to create even more work for you.
    Rob.
    No, Rob,
    All good. And now better, thanks to you and the Unofficial Stats Committee. I will have to go through my albums and update to the latest stats, if I want my cards to be useful. I think when I did these, I was consulting with a member, and he wanted the best version of this plane, not the under-gunned, operational version. Not knowing the cannon-armed plane was a prototype only, I just did the cards as requested. And, at the time, there were stats for it.

    PS: It appears that the wing MGs were removed in the field by pilots that found the light MGs were ineffective and the added weight was too much of a trade-off with the loss of maneuverability. So, even Series VII planes, if the pilot removed the guns, would use these stats.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 10-30-2015 at 10:26.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    I'm still new to being on the stats committee, and trying to translate my real world knowledge to the values in the game. I hadn't got up to speed on the armaments part, but now I know how it works (until someone changes it). Now I can officially work out stats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    They have the lines of Italian sport cars. Really.
    Some even have the very same prancing horse.

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    Great squadron!

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    Franco Lucchini and another pilot of 84 Squadriglia 4 Stormo near El Alamein in October 1942:

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    And Ennio Tarantola of 151 Sqadriglia 51 Stormo accompanied by a pilot from 353 Squadriglia as he nears Malta:

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    Shapeways FUD models by Foznoth (radio masts added), Italeri and Vallejo paint (most of the camouflage was applied with a green marker), decals I-94 Enterprises (wing fasces, fuselage bands and tail crosses) and home made. They're great models of a spectacularly beautiful airplane.
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    Gorgeous pairs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    They have the lines of Italian sport cars. Really.
    Well, very very true. And confirmed by its history. Here one of previous planes by the same team and factory, M.C. 72: still unbeaten speed record in its category.

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    Thank you, sir . And somehow I think the M.C.72's record will remain unbroken--440 mph in an open-cockpit, wire-braced float plane .

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    Superb Darryl.
    It has motivated me. I must get my 151 Sqadriglia 51 Stormo finished off now that the end of year rush is over.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Thanks, Rob. As Andy mentioned a while back, when it comes to 'smoke rings'--or almost any Regia Aeronautica camouflage--green permanent markers are the only way to go. Look forward to seeing your 51 Stormo Folgores and, of course, their Malta-based opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrylH View Post
    Shapeways FUD models by Foznoth (radio masts added), Italeri and Vallejo paint (most of the camouflage was applied with a green marker), decals I-94 Enterprises (wing fasces, fuselage bands and tail crosses) and home made. They're great models of a spectacularly beautiful airplane.
    Thank you very much.

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    Thank you, Steve. I'm quite happy with all of your models I have so far (Folgores, Reggiane 2002s, Brewster Buffaloes, BF-109Bs and Tempests), and I'm quite sure I'll be getting several of your upcoming items, but the M.C.202s are my favorite-both the original and your models are works of art .
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrylH View Post
    Thank you, Steve. I'm quite happy with all of your models I have so far (Folgores, Reggiane 2001s, Brewster Buffaloes, BF-109Bs and Tempests), and I'm quite sure I'll be getting several of your upcoming items, but the M.C.202s are my favorite-both the original and your models are works of art .
    They are Reggiane 2002s But thank you again. I'll keep at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foz View Post
    They are Reggiane 2002s But thank you again. I'll keep at it.
    Yes, they are-you caught that before I had the chance to edit it .

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    Hi,

    Here's one of my italian fighters :

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    Claudio Solaro 70 squadriglia, 23 grupo, 3 stormo in Tunisia, 1943

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    Bellissimo !

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    Must get the rest of mine painted. That has set me off again.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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