What we know about future releases
I can not start new thread in News, so I will post it here.
We know about F4U Corsair for many months, but I was looking for some intel news on Ares FB page and I found these planes:
- Messerschmitt Bf 109 K
- Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-G reprint
- Yokosuka D4Y (dive bomber)
Any other ideas? What did you see?
That is news to me aside from the planned 109 reprint. If there isn't a Dauntless to pair with the "Judy" I am going to freak out!
Aside from that, we do know the next release in the series will be the Lancasters and B-17s
I agree completely! The Dauntless played a crucial role... and is one of those iconic WWII birds.Originally Posted by P-51D
Would rather have a Dauntless and Kate rather than repaint of the 109. Since there is a German (Stuka) and Japanese (Val) dive bomber they should come up with a US dive bomber to balance that out.
For me the perfect next release roll would be:
Americans:
Dauntless
Corsair
Avenger
British:
Typhoon
Swordfish
Bleinhem
Germans:
Me-109G
Ju-88
Me-262
Japanese:
Kate
Betty
Ki-43
Italian:
SM-79 Sparviero
Macchi C.205
Fiat C.50
URSS
Sturmovik
Petlyakov Pe-2
Lagg-3
15 airplanes...
5 years in the best of propositions...
Thunderbolt, Hellcat, Lightning, Boston/Havoc, Hudson, Mosquito, Me210/410, Kawanishi N1K Shiden, Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu, Polikarpov I-16, Mig-3
Just to add a few more.
For those of us who came late to WGS, a 109 would be greatly appreciated.
I wonder how many repaints will occur of the Corsair to fill out the Black Sheep Squadron?
LOTS!
If Greg "Pappy" Boyington isn't one of the corsair pilots when released, I will have an absolute coma inducing fit! Will be sweet to recreate Baa Baa Black Sheep squadron.
Then again for the Wildcats for some inexplicable reason didn't get Voss or O'Hare, so I suppose anything is possible.
Daniel! Anything is possible! That's one of my mottoes.
I'll keep an eye out for that then! A Helldiver is a much better pairing (performance/period of use) for the JUDY, while a Dauntless (which would be of much greater overall utility in terms of theatres and operators) is better paired with the VAL.
Back on topic guys.
The thread theme is: What do we know about further releases, not: what is on my wishlist.
We know about:
B17
Lancaster
Series I reprints (Maybe duel packs)
F4U Corsair (I think Andrea said, that thas is an option.)
Messerschmitt Bf 109 K
Would fit perfect to the late war planes and the B 17
Yokosuka D4Y (dive bomber)
Had many roles in WW II recon plane, dive bomber, even as possible night figher with Schräge Musik. Would fit to the late war planes, too.
On what do those informations rely Dan-Sam?
Do we have other informations from Facebook?
The F4U Corsair can be the US-part/plane in this possible WGS series VI.
Do we have informations about a possible "counterpart" for the Bf.109K?
Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!
Thank you, Sven.
These informations are from Ares FB page from user "Ares Games" so I think they are real
Wish list?!
Do you think that a 15 planes release isn't realistic?!
C'mon! Don't you hide this from me. Isn't?! Really?! Why?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A 15-plane release?!Wish list?!
Do you think that a 15 planes release isn't realistic?!
C'mon! Don't you hide this from me. Isn't?! Really?! Why?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!My bank account would go into cardiac arrest...
Is it a bad time to talk about my 25-airplane-2-baloons-1-zep simultaneous release for WW1?!A 15-plane release?!
In for a penny, in for a pound...
On the contrary: It's useful to be able to go through this thread, and mark units as "OK, it's been talked about here -- that means we won't be seeing it anytime soon". >;)
Personally, I'd say the Bf109E and G have enough differences to need at least a minor fuselage resculpt.
This japanese bomber Yokosuka D4YI Suisei has dimensions that are the same to some fighters produced by Ares (wingspan / lenght in meters) :
Suisei 11,50 / 10,22
Curtiss P40F 11,38 / 10,16
Nakajima Ki84 11,23 / 9,92
NA P51 Mustang 11,3 / 9,83
Spitfire Mk IX 11,22 / 9,47
Vought Corsair 12,5 / 10,16 (not produced yet)
If the Suisei is sold as a bomber like Val and Stuka in a larger box than fighters boxes, some gamers may not want to buy this plane that looks like a fighter but with a bomber price.
Moreover, a japanese dive bomber is already available for the game (Wings of War Aichi D3A1 Val) and can still be easily found (they didn't sell well, maybe because Nexus proposed quite the same paintings for the 3 models).
The Val is an early war bomber but it was still used during the last years of war, because the Suisei came only in 1944.
The game would rather need a japanese torpedo bomber than another dive bomber.
Nakajima B5N2 "Kate" or Nakajima B6N2 Tenzan "Jill" are the 2 mains torpedo bombers, that were also used as horizontal bomber.
They look like "real" 2 seaters with dimensions similar to the Aichi Val (Val 14,36 / 10,19 - Kate 15,5 /10,3 - Jill 14,90 / 10,90).
An optional torpedo launch rule could be loaded on Ares website.
The B5N2 is an early war airplane, used with success in Pearl Harbor, but was still in frontline in 1944.
The B6N2 started to be used from 1943.
One can speculate, but the sad truth is we will not know what we are getting till it is on the store shelves.
I don't think the problem was the D3A's paintwork -- I think the problem may have been it's slow, it handles like a brick, and its firepower is anemic. A good unit for "drone" operation in a scenario; for a human player, not interesting.
You are right, this 2 seater is slow, but it may be a quality to lead and adjust a bombing or dive bombing operation, that is the main purpose of this plane for the game.
And the Stuka has the same deck and armement but the figs sold much better (except for the italian version unfortunately).
Moreover, if the Douglas Dauntless is released, it might be a good seller, even if its speed is quite the same as the Val.
And there is not many paint scheme possibilities for the Dauntless.
Actually, you'd be surprised... there just aren't many FAMOUS schemes for it.
-Navy two-tone gray (Atlantic ASW)
-Navy two-tone blue-over-gray (early Pacific)
-Navy three-tone Dark Sea Blue over intermediate blue over white (mid Pacific)
-Army OD-over-gray
-however NZ painted theirs
-however France painted theirs
Good news for the Dauntless.
One more reason for a slow and poor manoeuver 2 seater to be a good seller.
I think the Vals sold poorly (they are starting to sale out at main stores or are already gone... at least here in the US) because of the supporting planes that came after them. In the Pacific Theater of Operations, you still can't really play historical battles are scenarios. I've talked to Ares about this and they agree that the releases for WGS early on were not ideal and kind of wish they could push a "reset" button on WGS in general. The SBD is coming fairly soon, so that's a plus. I've also pointed out they really need to give us Torpedo rules and planes if they want the PTO to become a viable gaming area.
I can not agree with a common negative market opinion about Vals. They are somehow iconic Japanese planes with which one can create a variety of scenarios. They are easy to repaint (in green camo for example); they are slow - ok, but that how they were! Yes the lack of American dive/torpedo bombers is a fault, hope they will hit the production lines very quickly.
As a kind of veteran player I am of the opinion, that WGS really shines with fighter/heavy fighter/tactical bombers combination on the table in which Stukas and Vals fit very nicely. When bigger birds get around, manning their multicrew cards and arc of fire may result in longer downtime.
Just my 2 cents, B-17 geeks
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
Oh boy! A SBD confirmation from someone in the know! Outstanding! By soon, I hope that means the release following the Heavies and furthermore this year! Then again, a set I reprint is likely sometime in the near future as well! So many awesome things happening in WGS in the "near future"!
I wonder what will come out with it? That "Judy" that is talked about earlier in the thread? I would prefer another Allied dive bomber, since the first series had two Axis ones. The only problem is a general lack of exciting Allied options. Sure the SB2C Helldiver is an awesome option, but no way, now how, does Ares release two American dive bombers in one series. The Blackburn Skua is an option, but one turd of a plane. The Barricuda could be in the argument, again it is nothing to get excited about, but did serve in multiple roles. My pick would be for the Soviet Strumovick! A nasty and famous Eastern Front option.
That being said, what will the fighters be? My hope is to finish off some of the cards we have without miniatures. So for me, my vote is for the Ki-43 Oscar and the P-39 Aircobra. Not exciting to many people, but essential for early PTO, Guadalcanal era scenarios. Then down the line, give us a P-38 the Ki-44 Tojo, a Betty and we are close. Avengers and Kates are a pipe dream for me!
Last edited by P-51D; 01-08-2014 at 06:56.
And I'll drop another little nugget... torpedo rules and planes has been a recent topic at Ares
Regarding the early WGS releases. Personally, I think set 1 was great. There are four very well known, if not iconic planes. Where the problem lies to me is the second series. Choosing the Dauntless over the Stuka would have helped, just to make it easier to play PTO. I don't think people would have minded the SBD and Stuka, but we would now be screaming for the Val instead of SBD. The fighter selection isn't horrible, though the D.520 is a questionable call for sure. Where the Hurricane is hurting is in pilot selection. Bader is excellent, but either the Soviet or Belgian should have been another British pilot. I would have picked the Soviet to get the axe. I also understand they were trying to release a lot of nationalities early on. I think the intentions there were good, but the outcome of it hurt the game due to Nexus' mishandling of the game after that point and new product stopped coming to the market. If set three had made it to the market sooner it would have helped. But then again, with the Yaks in set three, it makes the inclusion of the Soviet hurricane even more questionable.
One other question I now have is regarding the future release of the SBD. Does the release of the SBD make a reprint of Series two more likely now? Will people who missed the boat on the Vals suddenly be interested to pair them up against the Dauntless? I will also say this. At least two of the Dauntless better be American. It would be fun to have the third be painted in New Zealand colors. I hope the French don't squeak in there on the SBDs. That would bug me to no end.
Last edited by P-51D; 01-08-2014 at 06:59.
RNZAF SBDs - as per USN,
French SBDs - as per USN,
but with French A24s you get this!
And I'll drop another little nugget... torpedo rules and planes has been a recent topic at Ares
Excellent! I would hope to see the Corsair before these though! I really hope the Corsair and whatever was planned with it still has a planned release and hasn't been scrapped. I believe it will be a good seller for the game.
Wow those look great! But not enough to sway me from my hopes of two American SBD and the other being for the Kiwis!RNZAF SBDs - as per USN,
French SBDs - as per USN,
but with French A24s you get this!
At this point they have not been selected yet.
Ok. Good to know. Probably puts them at a year out at the soonest? Or do they worry about pilots and paint after the autocad drawings and early printings to see if they mold correctly?
I'm not sure at what stage of pre-production paint job selection come
I know that the Fairy Swordfish is the iconic British torpedo bomber but a Fairy Barracuda would provide the British with a torpedo/dive bomber in one and it would not require a new set of movement rules.
Outstanding news!
Agreed. Would love to see a Kate.
I agree another French plane is what we do not need, all you can do with them is stick them on a landing strip, no need for a manouver deck as they do not get to fly
I agree another French plane is what we do not need, all you can do with them is stick them on a landing strip, no need for a manouver deck as they do not get to fly
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Le_Gloan
Tell him that. >;)
Not true.I agree another French plane is what we do not need, all you can do with them is stick them on a landing strip, no need for a manouver deck as they do not get to fly
The French pilots flown many missions against the Germans during the Battle of France.
Many of them in planes that weren't combat fitted yet. And valiantly.
A chronic lack of spare parts crippled these pilots. Only 29 percent (599) of the aircraft were serviceable, of which 170 were bombers. Low serviceability meant the Germans had a clear numerical superiority in medium bomber aircraft, with six times as many as the French.
Despite its disadvantages the Armee de l'Air performed far better than expected, destroying 916 enemy aircraft in air to air combat during the Battle of France, for a kill ratio of 2.35:1; with almost a third of those kills accomplished by French pilots flying the US built Curtiss Hawk 75 which accounted for 12.6 percent of the French single-seat fighter force.
What crippled the Armee de l'Air was bad Generals, bad politicians and a WW1 mentality coming from the upper echelons.
I can not agree with a common negative market opinion about Vals. They are somehow iconic Japanese planes with which one can create a variety of scenarios. They are easy to repaint (in green camo for example); they are slow - ok, but that how they were! Yes the lack of American dive/torpedo bombers is a fault, hope they will hit the production lines very quickly.
As a kind of veteran player I am of the opinion, that WGS really shines with fighter/heavy fighter/tactical bombers combination on the table in which Stukas and Vals fit very nicely. When bigger birds get around, manning their multicrew cards and arc of fire may result in longer downtime.
Just my 2 cents, B-17 geeks
I have played some great Jap raid scenarios with the Val (check out my Midway Island Raid AAR) & I am sure Sven used them to advantage in his Midway Rising campaign.
I now have some Kates, Dauntless & Avengers from AIM to paint up but will certainly buy some Ares SBD's when released!.
All this conversation has been great!
What I hope to see quickly is what four planes are being released in series six! The WGF crowd have known for months what is coming in series 8 and series 7 still hasn't released for purchase yet. Furthermore, they also know a series II reprint is coming in the very near future. In the WGS crowd, we know the heavies are coming, but what is after that? We have random planes being named and also know the earlier leaked corsair is no longer in the next series, but we have nothing substantial after the heavies. The obvious answer to my inquiry/rant is 2014 is still brand new, Ares' offices have been opened post holiday all of one day, so I need to chill, but we are hungry for a 2014 projected release update.
I like both versions of the game, but can only financially support one version aside from the occasional WWI purchase, therefore, I feel left out, out here in WGS land.
Couldn't agree more.I can not agree with a common negative market opinion about Vals. They are somehow iconic Japanese planes with which one can create a variety of scenarios. They are easy to repaint (in green camo for example); they are slow - ok, but that how they were! Yes the lack of American dive/torpedo bombers is a fault, hope they will hit the production lines very quickly.
As a kind of veteran player I am of the opinion, that WGS really shines with fighter/heavy fighter/tactical bombers combination on the table in which Stukas and Vals fit very nicely. When bigger birds get around, manning their multicrew cards and arc of fire may result in longer downtime.
Just my 2 cents, B-17 geeks
Vals are not only iconic planes as they are an absolute must for many Pacific scenarios.
You guys might want to see this thread.
Its handled quite well in all the scenario's we've used it in. No complaints just don't fly it un-escorted.
Neil
See you on the Dark Side......
A Do17 also for BoB
At nearly all the shows we did in UK last year, the universally asked question was "Where can I get some Spitfires, Hurricanes and ME109's
To which we had to answer, you can't.
So although this list is great,
I want JU88 and Do17's , for new starters we really do need a reprint of the main main aircraft for both Pacific and BoB
I completely agree, Chris.
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