Lorenzo's landscapes

**Lino22** · 08-22-2013 23:48

Hi Guys, i asked Lorenzo - a guy who has provided us with the Cliffs of Dover mat (see Files) - to look for a desert landscape. He was very kind and helpful and sent me a preview of what we are gonna get soon (140 x 93 cm)

Attachment 105077

a added a little color to it in Paint Shop just to see how it looks.

Attachment 105079

**Thomatchef** · 08-23-2013 00:16

Sweeeeeeeeet!

**Marechallannes** · 08-23-2013 00:37

Is this a painting or a satellite picture?

**Lino22** · 08-23-2013 00:43

This is a preview in low res. My guess is that the low res causes it to look like a painting.

**Thomatchef** · 08-23-2013 07:34

Did you add the color or did he? I find the second one better because it is darker but I can imagine that changing the color can somewhat ruin some detail on the high res version maybe?

Did Lorenzo say that he could not get a winter landscape? Otherwise we can ask him to. This and the winter landscape are on the top of my wish list...

**Lino22** · 08-23-2013 07:43

Thomas i added some yellow to the second image and darkened it. The first image can be easily redone to a winter landscape i guess. It is just my guess that the winter landscape is hard to get from geographical pictures.

**calm** · 08-23-2013 07:57

Nice !

**Thomatchef** · 08-23-2013 08:39

Originally Posted by Lino22

Thomas i added some yellow to the second image and darkened it. The first image can be easily redone to a winter landscape i guess. It is just my guess that the winter landscape is hard to get from geographical pictures.

Well for the winter I was thinking of a little town or maybe some forest. Normally that should be visible from the skies. Definitely houses, roads, rivers and trees should be able to standout nice...

Like this for example...

Click image for larger version.

Name: 45_3100002.jpg
Views: 196
Size: 169.1 KB
ID: 105087

**Naharaht** · 08-23-2013 23:19

It will be good for a North African combat.

**Carl_Brisgamer** · 08-24-2013 02:20

It is a great idea manipulating aerial images.

I have three I use for my North African battles, Tobruk harbour, a desert coast map near Sollum in Egypt and one of the desert near Tummar south of Sidi Barrani in Libya:

Click image for larger version.

Name: Tobruk harbour.jpg
Views: 184
Size: 121.3 KB
ID: 105233

Click image for larger version.

Name: Libyan Desert.jpg
Views: 183
Size: 81.5 KB
ID: 105230

Click image for larger version.

Name: Sollum.jpg
Views: 184
Size: 142.6 KB
ID: 105231

As great as the new official maps are, these photo maps really add to the visual appeal in non temperate European scenarios:

Click image for larger version.

Name: <acronym title=

AAR Sollum 9.jpg Views: 181 Size: 126.3 KB ID: 105232" class="thumbnail" style="float:CONFIG" />

**Lino22** · 08-24-2013 02:23

Carl that looks sweet, what resolution/size are they?

**CappyTom** · 08-24-2013 02:24

Those look great! Thanks Lorenzo another great job. There's got to be a metal in it for ya.

Thomas

**Carl_Brisgamer** · 08-24-2013 04:18

Originally Posted by Lino22

Carl that looks sweet, what resolution/size are they?

B0 size, 1414mm x 1000mm. I extract them from Google maps, previously posted How To here http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...printing-time)

**Lino22** · 08-26-2013 07:40

Here is a preview of what is Lorenzo adding to Files - a hi-res variant.
I have it already in full size (140*93cm) and it looks gorgeous. It really is a picture despite the texture looking like a paint job.

Attachment 105883

**Thomatchef** · 08-26-2013 07:52

Originally Posted by Lino22

Here is a preview of what is Lorenzo adding to Files - a hi-res variant.
I have it already in full size (140*93cm) and it looks gorgeous. It really is a picture despite the texture looking like a paint job.

Attachment 105883

Is it a road or a dried out river we are seeing in the middle? Any sign of houses on the map? This one will directly go to the printer!

**Lino22** · 08-26-2013 08:00

Thomas i have troubles to open the 300dpi file in my Paintshop or any other app. The black spots are holes, that is all my comp allows me to see.

This preview was made by Kancelot who had to do it on Mac. All houses, airports, and other military installations must be added by someone who has a NASA sort of a computer and some skills.

**Thomatchef** · 08-26-2013 08:26

Originally Posted by Lino22

Thomas i have troubles to open the 300dpi file in my Paintshop or any other app. The black spots are holes, that is all my comp allows me to see.

This preview was made by Kancelot who had to do it on Mac. All houses, airports, and other military installations must be added by someone who has a NASA sort of a computer and some skills.

How large is the file? Could I by any chance get it from you? I'm very curious

**Lino22** · 08-26-2013 08:37

The file can be downloaded here. Later it will be put in the File section

http://mailbeta.libero.it/cp/ps/Mail...U&b=4342482c3c

**Thomatchef** · 08-29-2013 03:07

Good news. Lorenzo found a possible aera that can be used to create a winter mat. He will send me a preview via email. I'll post it here then. We are getting close to have almost every possible type of terrain covered....

**Marechallannes** · 08-29-2013 03:36

Perfect, Thomas.

**Thomatchef** · 08-29-2013 09:06

So I got an email back with the low res version of the area he is now working on...

Click image for larger version.

Name: Snow_2_low_res.jpg
Views: 146
Size: 295.4 KB
ID: 106872

I'm not 100% convinced about this one and tried to find another area which is more to my taste. Most of all I missed some landmarks like a road, river or such on his map.
I tried to point him to to the Whistler Blackcomb ski resort and his area as is mine should be from around there.
This picture below is the area I tried to show him and we will have to hear what are the possibilities with it.

Click image for larger version.

Name: Snow proposal.jpg
Views: 143
Size: 235.6 KB
ID: 106871

**Marechallannes** · 08-29-2013 09:47

I'm not happy with such a winter map.

Think we need something with a town and a road from Siberia.

Pictures from the Rocky Mountains don't fit that good.

**Marechallannes** · 08-29-2013 09:59

Found something.

Have a look (especially second link):

http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/

http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/aeri...241/index.html

Original pictures by the Wehrmacht!

I think the markings and names can be easy removed or you keep it for authenticity!

**PAV** · 09-03-2013 01:43

Hi to all
sorry for my late but I took last days of holidays

For the desert map I can look for others area with specifc feature lilke road or town..
For the snow covered areas is a little bit more difficoult because areal image are token during summer days to ensure cloud free scenes and to avoid the albedo caused by withe landscape.
The only areas that I found till now snow covered are the ones that are at hi altitude where the snow never melt.
But I still search!
I let you now if I find something.

Lorenzo

**Carl_Brisgamer** · 09-03-2013 02:37

Originally Posted by Marechallannes

Found something.

Have a look (especially second link):

http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/

http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/aeri...241/index.html

Original pictures by the Wehrmacht!

I think the markings and names can be easy removed or you keep it for authenticity!

Nice find Sven, I will see if I can make something out of that for myself.

**Carl_Brisgamer** · 09-03-2013 03:49

I have made some changes to one of Sven's aerial photographs to obscure the pen marks and text.

The photograph depicts what appears to be a 'Kolkhos' or collective farm, a bridge, road junctions, tree lines - in short an abundance of targets.

Click image for larger version.

Name: Russia Map.jpg
Views: 129
Size: 188.5 KB
ID: 107707

I am going to print it out in grayscale tomorrow and see how it looks with aircraft on the map.

**Marechallannes** · 09-03-2013 05:23

Nice, Carl.

Maybe you can place it in the file section afterwards?

**Thomatchef** · 09-03-2013 06:14

That is looking good. Curious what it will give when printed on large scale...

**Carl_Brisgamer** · 09-03-2013 06:34

Originally Posted by Thomatchef

That is looking good. Curious what it will give when printed on large scale...

I'll get it printed at A0 size - 1414mm x 1000mm.

**Thomatchef** · 09-05-2013 06:54

Originally Posted by Carl_Brisgamer

I'll get it printed at A0 size - 1414mm x 1000mm.

Have you been able to print it?

**Carl_Brisgamer** · 09-08-2013 03:58

Hi Thomas,

I had it printed in grayscale. I have not had the chance to get WGS miniatures out this weekend, but I'll get some photos up soon.

Cheers,

Carl.

**Marechallannes** · 09-08-2013 05:19

I'm curious, Carl.

**Thomatchef** · 09-08-2013 10:17

So am I. Can you alredy say something about the quality of the print? Still enough detail?

**Carl_Brisgamer** · 09-11-2013 06:23

Here's a few shots of the map printed in grayscale.

Click image for larger version.

Name: IMG_3751.jpg
Views: 90
Size: 173.6 KB
ID: 108935

Two Luftwaffe Messerschmitt Bf 109Fs provide cover for a Pz38(t) Kompanie advancing on a Soviet collective farm.

Click image for larger version.

Name: IMG_3755.jpg
Views: 87
Size: 168.4 KB
ID: 108936

Two VVS Il-2 Sturmovik attack aircraft are trying to slip in at low level to strike the panzers.

Click image for larger version.

Name: IMG_3753.jpg
Views: 87
Size: 127.7 KB
ID: 108937

I'll post the AAR tomorrow.

**Antabires** · 09-11-2013 06:30

Russian map is excellent!!

**Marechallannes** · 09-12-2013 12:21

Looks very good, Carl!

Historical an easy prey for the Messerschmitts.

**csadn** · 09-12-2013 14:19

Originally Posted by Marechallannes

Historical an easy prey for the Messerschmitts.

Depends -- those Il-2s appear to have rear gunners, which made the Luftwaffe's job *much* harder.

**Marechallannes** · 09-12-2013 16:20

Not if you know Soviet tactics and the vulnerable parts of the Sturmovik (oilcooler).

...and the rear gunner's position was not that armored until 1944.

But you're right. The 12.7 mm rear gun could be nasty and it had a good fire angle.

**Kleebatch** · 09-13-2013 02:15

referred to first pics by Thomachef:

i'm looking for something similar to play WGF italian front

**csadn** · 09-13-2013 14:41

Originally Posted by Marechallannes

Not if you know Soviet tactics and the vulnerable parts of the Sturmovik (oilcooler). :slysmile:

The oil cooler was up front; the -109s are coming up from behind. :)

According to Gordon and Komissarov, the oil-cooler was mainly vulnerable to *ground* fire, not fighters; the real vulnerability for early designs was the parts which had to be built from wood. In general, one's chances of being shot down were more a product of where one was in the formation -- the phrase "devil takes the hindmost" applies here.

**Carl_Brisgamer** · 09-13-2013 17:36

I have posted the first part of the Ostfront AAR using the map, see it here http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...-November-1941

I will post part 2 tonight after I finish work.

Cheers,

Carl.