Dawn of War Series II miniatures

**Oberst Hajj** · 09-08-2009 12:27

Andrea was nice enough to pass me these never before released photos of the unpainted series 2 miniatures. They are the Aichi D3A Val, Dewoitine D.520, Hawker Hurricane Mk.I/II, Junkers Ju87B. Note the bombs on the Stuka

**afilter** · 09-08-2009 13:20

Looking great, can't wait!

**Oberst Hajj** · 09-08-2009 13:29

Yeah, that Stuka looks Yummy to me!

**Zeppelin** · 09-08-2009 13:54

They look good.

**nachinus** · 09-09-2009 03:15

I wish the Hurri would've come with the 1st series. It would have really helped my current campaign to have it with its extra C deck.

**Angiolillo** · 09-09-2009 11:14

Originally Posted by nachinus

I wish the Hurri would've come with the 1st series. It would have really helped my current campaign to have it with its extra C deck.

You can find extra C deck in the Mitsubishik A6M2 Reisen packs, anyway...

Please notice that the Stuka will come in two versions. The Ju 87 B-2 will be provided in two color schemes for the German Luftwaffe: one for the Battle of Britain and one for North Africa. It will have a huge bomb under the fuselage and 4 smaller ones under the wings. The Ju 87 R-2, long distance variant of the previous, will be featured in the colors of the Italian Regia Aeronautica, from the units attacking Malta: it will have only the huge bomb under the fuselage, while the small ones under the wings will be replaced by disposeable extra fuel tanks (for which rules are provided in Fire from the Sky and in the DeLuxe rulebook).

**Oberst Hajj** · 09-09-2009 14:27

Andrea, thanks for the additional information. Does that mean there will actually be 13 planes with different paint jobs in series II?

Aichi D3A Val x 4 paint schemes
Dewoitine D.520 x 4 paint schemes
Hawker Hurricane Mk.I/II x 4 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 B-2 x 4 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 R-2 x 1 paint scheme

**WilliamBarkerVC** · 09-09-2009 21:00

Fantastic! I think FFG should create a subscription service, so that I can have all the planes delivered to my house when they come out.

**Oberst Hajj** · 09-10-2009 01:13

Not a bad idea!

**kaufschtick** · 09-10-2009 20:31

Originally Posted by Col. Hajj

Andrea, thanks for the additional information. Does that mean there will actually be 13 planes with different paint jobs in series II?

Aichi D3A Val x 4 paint schemes
Dewoitine D.520 x 4 paint schemes
Hawker Hurricane Mk.I/II x 4 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 B-2 x 4 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 R-2 x 1 paint scheme

I read that to be:

Aichi D3A Val x 3 paint schemes
Dewoitine D.520 x 3 paint schemes
Hawker Hurricane Mk.I/II x 3 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 B-2 x 2 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 R-2 x 1 paint scheme

12 of the "usual suspects".

**Setarius** · 09-10-2009 21:09

Okay so what is the release date for these

??
Look out world here they come. Many Stukas will be added to my collection!!!!!!!!
Will the Stuka's come with the wailing siren when they dive?

They look good right now.

**Oberst Hajj** · 09-10-2009 23:05

Latest word on these was October some time.

big bald Al · 09-11-2009 10:04

love the look of the Stuka. Looks like another collection!!

**Setarius** · 09-11-2009 17:32

Originally Posted by Col. Hajj

Andrea, thanks for the additional information. Does that mean there will actually be 13 planes with different paint jobs in series II?

Aichi D3A Val x 4 paint schemes
Dewoitine D.520 x 4 paint schemes
Hawker Hurricane Mk.I/II x 4 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 B-2 x 4 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 R-2 x 1 paint scheme

Uh, Col. sir, I hate to say this but, 4+4+4+4+1 does not equal 13 it equals 17. Which will be a few short of the number I actually plan to purchase for this set, but whose counting. LOL

**Oberst Hajj** · 09-12-2009 11:47

Oh yeah, that should have been x3 for each of those. lol

**Gravitypool** · 09-15-2009 12:53

Very impressive models. i love the Stuka and the Val, it will be lovely to play some bombing with them. Despite i'm not a big fan of it i would have liked to see the dauntless in this set, just to give the Allies players a bomber miniature.

**Baron** · 09-18-2009 12:06

Originally Posted by Angiolillo

Please notice that the Stuka will come in two versions. The Ju 87 B-2 will be provided in two color schemes for the German Luftwaffe: one for the Battle of Britain and one for North Africa. It will have a huge bomb under the fuselage and 4 smaller ones under the wings. The Ju 87 R-2, long distance variant of the previous, will be featured in the colors of the Italian Regia Aeronautica, from the units attacking Malta: it will have only the huge bomb under the fuselage, while the small ones under the wings will be replaced by disposeable extra fuel tanks (for which rules are provided in Fire from the Sky and in the DeLuxe rulebook).

How come no Italian planes? No Folgore? As I understand, the game was developed by Italian staff.

**Gravitypool** · 09-18-2009 12:31

I imagine that they give preference to the most popular planes in each front. It's a pity minor nations don't get the share. I would love to see some chinese models (like the ones featured on Last Biplanes).

**Baron** · 09-18-2009 14:35

Maybe they will... but for now it is possible they cover the representative planes. I am sure that everybody would buy a Macchi Folgore, it was an outstanding beautiful plane in reality

Prego ragazzi, per futuro, il Folgore! MiG, Sturmovik, Heinkel, Focke Wulf, Savoya Marchetti, IAR, avanti!

**Oberst Hajj** · 09-18-2009 17:58

Originally Posted by RedBaron

How come no Italian planes? No Folgore? As I understand, the game was developed by Italian staff.

The question of how they chose which planes to make into miniatures is one of the interview questions I'm asking Andrea. Watch for that some time next week

**Big Al** · 09-19-2009 01:39

Well!I can't wait for the Hurricanes, although a couple of Stukas won't go amiss.

**Angiolillo** · 09-20-2009 01:15

Originally Posted by kaufschtick

I read that to be:

Aichi D3A Val x 3 paint schemes
Dewoitine D.520 x 3 paint schemes
Hawker Hurricane Mk.I/II x 3 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 B-2 x 2 paint schemes
Junkers Ju87 R-2 x 1 paint scheme

12 of the "usual suspects".

Correct!

Originally Posted by Setarius

Will the Stuka's come with the wailing siren when they dive?

No, you will have to do the sound with your mouth - the same as for the engine, the machinegun and the explosion special damage.

Originally Posted by Col. Hajj

Latest word on these was October some time.

We were not satisfied of the fusion samples, so they are a bit delayed. In october the Deluxe will come instead, for sure (it is already sailing the seas).

Originally Posted by RedBaron

I am sure that everybody would buy a Macchi Folgore, it was an outstanding beautiful plane in reality

It will come, with the quicker fighters in the future. You will also get Reggiane Re.2001 in Series 3.

Originally Posted by Gravitypool

It's a pity minor nations don't get the share. I would love to see some chinese models (like the ones featured on Last Biplanes).

Just to start you will have a Curtiss P-40 E with Chinese markings (but American volunteer pilot) in Series 3...

Thanks everybody for your attention,

Andrea

**Gravitypool** · 09-20-2009 04:37

Andrea spoke words of wisdom. And we are grateful for that. You know how to keep us interested

**Baron** · 09-20-2009 06:49

It's always great to hear from the game designers. That is one feedback that shows us they... care for their customers.

cordiali saluti,

**Angiolillo** · 09-20-2009 13:48

Well, you are gamers before being customers. And gamers are what make the game great: without all that gamers are doing to make WoW alive and growing, it would have been just another little gamette amog tens of thousands. So I care... because you do.

Thanks everybody!

**kaufschtick** · 09-21-2009 19:28

Originally Posted by Angiolillo

Correct!

No, you will have to do the sound with your mouth - the same as for the engine, the machinegun and the explosion special damage.

LOL!!!

Now I don't feel so bad for doing mock strafing runs on my wife!!!

Originally Posted by Angiolillo

Just to start you will have a Curtiss P-40 E with Chinese markings (but American volunteer pilot) in Series 3...

YEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!

What Pilot? Tex Hill, or Boyington maybe!?!

What about the P-39, any chance of seeing it soon? There are A LOT of aircraft junkies out there (other than me), you guys are going to make a killing ($$$$$) on the minis alone, IMHO!

Andrea, you and your game made all of this possible, so THANKS to you - from one little ole' airplane junkie here in the states!

Might I make a suggestion as to one of the "other" 2 P-40s?

This would be a good one, Col. Robert L. Scott's "Old Exterminator", that I was lucky enough to catch flying in to The Last Roundup of Mustang Legends air show here in Columbus in 2007. (Great book too, God Is My CoPilot)

**Angiolillo** · 09-22-2009 08:43

He will be Tex Hill.

Thanks for the suggestions!

**kaufschtick** · 09-22-2009 17:58

Originally Posted by Angiolillo

He will be Tex Hill.

Nice...good pick!

Originally Posted by Angiolillo

Thanks for the suggestions!

Anytime!

(Do you take bribes!?!)

**bsmith13** · 09-25-2009 05:46

Another series of minis I won't be able to live without. I like the looks of all four.

PVT64 · 09-29-2009 18:29

I'm so glad to see the D520. I always love the non run of the mill aircraft. I want to see Italians too.

**Greywolf** · 10-06-2009 14:51

looking forward to seeing the Stukas and the Hurricanes bring them on....

Hope the Russian IL2 comes out as well want some of them....Also the Mustang and would it be great as well to get a P-38 Lighting as well.....

And greetings from New Zealand nice to find a decent forum board that also has the Game Designers making posts....great to see that two communication from player to designers....

Cheers
GW

**Oberst Hajj** · 10-06-2009 21:50

Greywolf, have a look at the interview with Andrea. It will give you some insight on some of the upcoming aircraft questions you have been asking.

**Greywolf** · 10-06-2009 21:54

Originally Posted by Col. Hajj

Greywolf, have a look at the interview with Andrea. It will give you some insight on some of the upcoming aircraft questions you have been asking.

ok will thx for the heads up still working my way through the site and whats to offer.... thx for all of the help to Col. Hajj

Cheers
GW

**Oberst Hajj** · 10-06-2009 23:09

Just received these from Andrea. These are new card backgrounds by Dario Calì.

Enjoy!

**Gravitypool** · 10-07-2009 04:44

Wow, very cool backgrounds!

**Dathbain** · 10-07-2009 07:19

Yipee! A Val! Will these be in a booster pack?

**Angiolillo** · 10-07-2009 07:46

Series 2 miniatures: 3 Hurricanes, 3 Devoitine, 3 Stuka, 3 Val.

Two Vals are already in "Fire from the Sky" as cards, with all the rules for dive bombing. The same rules are also in the soon released WW2 Deluxe box. The Series 2 miniatures will include the two Vals in FftS and this third one, quite variated in the color scheme thanks to the orange fuselage. This one was in the first wave of attack at Pearl Harbor, from the Shokaku carrier.
The other two are from the Kaga carrier. One had Makino & Sukida as crew: it was shot down by George Welch and crashed at 711 Neal Avenue, Wahiawa (Welch's P.40 card is also in FftS). The other was manned by Yamakawa & Nakata.

**Oberst Hajj** · 10-07-2009 07:52

These are from Series 2 Miniatures. In the past, all miniatures have also had a straight card version as well. So, I'd assume at some point this will be in a booster or box set as a card.

**bsmith13** · 10-07-2009 08:09

I'm excited for the Val mini! Looks like a good opportunity to knock together a fleet defense scenario...

**Angiolillo** · 10-07-2009 11:05

Originally Posted by Col. Hajj

These are from Series 2 Miniatures. In the past, all miniatures have also had a straight card version as well. So, I'd assume at some point this will be in a booster or box set as a card.

This is a good guess. But I am not 100% sure. In the past, miniatures came from already published cards. But with WW2, sometime we do not have enough of them. We do three paint schemes for each miniature, but for example we only had two A6M2 Reisen and we had to add a third one when we did the series 1 miniatures, and a fourth for the Deluxe box. For that one we also needed a fourth Wildact/Martlet, and even a Bf.109E with a bomb for some non-dogfight scenarios. So we used plane types that were already on the cards, just with color schemes that were not. Those will be in a booster if one will be released for those planes, but it is not as urgent as if we released miniatures without doing the cards first.

Thing that we actually did with the Nieuport 16 (in Balloon Busters), another plane that probably will sneak into a booster sooner or later.

Originally Posted by bsmith13

I'm excited for the Val mini! Looks like a good opportunity to knock together a fleet defense scenario...

Yes, as this one:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/442709

**Gravitypool** · 10-07-2009 13:10

Today i saw a Val from a pc game (Combat Wings: Pacific) with an awesome color scheme. It was grayish black with an orange coloured tail. I don't know which regiment belonged to but if we're not getting any of those i most surely will be repainting one for myself.

Anyways, how about the delays? do we have to look forward to see them before years end?

**afilter** · 10-07-2009 13:42

Looking good....can't wait for some more Vals from WoW. My Wildcats need more targets.

**Gravitypool** · 10-07-2009 13:58

I took a pic of the black Val for the remote case Angiolino likes it and wants to rethink one color scheme or two.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/alb...&pictureid=975

**Angiolillo** · 10-07-2009 23:49

Too late for rethinking, production shouild be going on in these days.

Jusdt be carfeul that we are making the D3A1 version, the early one at Pearl Harbor. They were tipically grey, even if with variations. Looking around you could see very different color schemes but for later versions.

It is the same for the A6M2 Reisen. They were mostly gray. To feature a green one in the deluxe, we choosed a plane that was still in service later in the war.

**Greywolf** · 10-08-2009 01:59

with these new minis coming out....

who do they decide will be the pilots?

I for one would like to see Hans-Ulrich Rudel done as one of the Stuka pilots

he was the most highly decorated German servicemen in the war.

Ju 87 G-2 "Kanonenvogel" with its twin Bordkanone BK 3.7, 37 mm guns.

just an idea.

Cheers
GW

NB: I do not support or condone the Nazi war effort in WWII but simply admire determination and guts it took to be a Stuka dive bomber pilot. The Stuka is my all time favorite fighter plane of WWII in fact this is how I would list my top 6:

1 Stuka Ju 87 A-D & Stuka Ju 87 G [anti-tank]
2 Messerschmitt Bf 109 & Me 109
3 Supermarine Spitfire
4 P-51 Mustang
5 Hawker Hurricane
6 P-38 Lightning

**Oberst Hajj** · 10-08-2009 02:13

Pilots are picked based off of several things. Being one of the top aces, the country they flew for, any heroic activities, Andrea's personal like for them. lol A lot of it also has to do with how much information there is on that pilot and what their research turns up.

**Greywolf** · 10-08-2009 02:22

Originally Posted by Col. Hajj

Pilots are picked based off of several things. Being one of the top aces, the country they flew for, any heroic activities, Andrea's personal like for them. lol A lot of it also has to do with how much information there is on that pilot and what their research turns up.

that's great.... well I might have to do a repaint on one of the stukas then if he's not one of the chosen pilots.

then all I have to do is wait for the Russian planes so I can then organize a Russian front campaign....

I really enjoy doing the research into a unit, or character in a army, squad etc. [I did alot of that when I played Flames of War and DBA] It adds alot of flavour to the game and made me more interested in what I was playing/collecting.

Hence why I am now here at WWA and getting into WoW I love history and those brave souls who took to the sky to save/defend their nations.

Cheers
GW

**Angiolillo** · 10-08-2009 06:26

For the moment we have the slower Ju 87 B and R. Later on for different versions... and IL2.

**Greywolf** · 10-08-2009 10:47

Originally Posted by Angiolillo

For the moment we have the slower Ju 87 B and R. Later on for different versions... and IL2.

thx for that info Angiolillo, you've made my day....

So looking forward to doing a Russian Front campaign....

Cheers
GW

**Baron** · 10-08-2009 12:04

You know... Me262, for the later "jet and experimental" aircraft sets? What do you say Andrea? Also Gloster Meteor...

Are we allowed to dream?

Let me say in here that the lightning, mustang, FW190... those are a must

also the Romanian IAR80 pls and the Macchi Folgeore!