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    Default Ares FW-190

    And another new pic...

    Last edited by Oberst Hajj; 01-22-2013 at 02:17.

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    FW 190D Dora? Very interesting...
    Some 686 km per hour. Is ARES going to print longer cards?

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    Or longer bases? ...

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    Yes, I think it's a D version too, Andrzej.

    Wasn't shure at the first moment and had to compare it wit the Focke-Wulf Ta 152.

    Here are some pictures of the FW 190 D:









    ...by the way: I belive in longer movement cards. Longer bases woud increase the target area.

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    Definitely a D

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    The Tank (Kurt Tank) Ta 152 had longer wings. The Dora was an interesting plane. However when it comes to B 17s (new Ares project), a FW 190 A design would fit much more historically, especially a Sturmbock version.

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    Yes, the A is the more prevalent version, but the nose of the D makes it look sooooo much cooler

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    Funny the speculation if it is a A or a D if you consider that in the various rumour thread Andrea talks about the D version every time.

    I want a Fw 190A too and a Lavochkin La-5FN!

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    They should rework the shape of the canopy - it is wrong. This remainds me of the older FW models. Just hope they don't screw up making some sort of a catdog. Also the gun housing in front of the canopy should not have that sharp edges - it should be nice and round. I am a bit scared to be honest.
    Last edited by Lino22; 01-21-2013 at 10:43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser View Post
    Funny the speculation if it is a A or a D if you consider that in the various rumour thread Andrea talks about the D version every time.
    Yep, speculation done and dusted back in August last year:
    Quote Originally Posted by P-51D View Post
    Ok. We can note the P-51 is a "D" variant and the FW-190 a "D" as well. Also we are getting a WWII play mat at some future date.
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...ghlight=fw190d

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser View Post
    Funny the speculation if it is a A or a D if you consider that in the various rumour thread Andrea talks about the D version every time.

    I want a Fw 190A too and a Lavochkin La-5FN!
    That would definitely broaden our possibilities on the Eastern Front later war scenarios, for as far as I know Doras were used mostly for home defense duty in the west.

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    I think it's another bad marketing decision to release the Dora rather than the "A"; very short service life, and it's distictive nose makes it usless for an easy converstion to another model. The A could have been used for all sorts of easy conversions.
    That said, the Dora was my plane of choice when we still flew M&M games at the local University..
    I suspect the choice was to fit better with the "fast" planes.
    Karl

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    I think so. Next series will be fast planes and if not the Me262 then the Fw190D for Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I think it's another bad marketing decision to release the Dora rather than the "A"; very short service life, and it's distictive nose makes it usless for an easy converstion to another model. The A could have been used for all sorts of easy conversions.
    And here we see what comes of "only doing the well-known planes".

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    ey are doing a 190 then I guess a P-51 is also in the works. So many other planes for other countries to get 4 different models.

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    Nor Lancaster and B17 neither these faster planes are my cup of tea, I'm afraid, although they will probably look lovely.
    I'll try not to go beyond year 1941 in my WGS collection of planes. Will rather supplement my hangars with Shapeways designs of earlier, uncommon planes. But of course it's my personal point of view.

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    Me, I'd rather have a razorback Jug than a P51.

    But I've always wanted to be Hub Zemke.

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    Yup , the A would be more common, like ta see a RAF Skeeter and a JU-88

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    ey are doing a 190 then I guess a P-51 is also in the works.
    No need to guess; see post#10 and the link to last August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlgyLacey View Post
    Me, I'd rather have a razorback Jug than a P51.

    But I've always wanted to be Hub Zemke.
    I like both the razor-backed versions of the P-47 and P-51 better than the bubble-heads.
    Karl

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    It's interesting to see the CAD work behind the models. I agree that the Dora was picked to balance the other planes coming out with it in the "Fast Pack". With the planes in that release coming out, they might just put WGS on the map here in the US.

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    I couldn't agree more. With both the iconic P-51D and the F4U Corsair soon to come to market, it may finally be time for Americans to take note and serious interest in Wings of Glory. If they do them as predominately American planes and pilots that is. In this I mean, 2 of three Mustangs and all three Corsairs should be Americans, to do otherwise will only further alienate the casual American war game player. An 8th Air force Mustang is a must, as is a Marine Corp Corsair from the Baa Baa Black Sheep squadron, with the other two being USN birds/pilots. Do these things, add in American B-17s and I think you will have some serious clout and appeal in the American market. Add an American SBD Dauntless to the game along with the current and already announced future releases and I think people will go bonkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    It's interesting to see the CAD work behind the models. I agree that the Dora was picked to balance the other planes coming out with it in the "Fast Pack". With the planes in that release coming out, they might just put WGS on the map here in the US.
    The US does need more aircraft, with only the P-40 and B-25 as standard issue miniatures so far. I predict the P-51 will become the most sought after mini in the WGS line.

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    The Royal Navy flew Corsairs from its carriers before the U.S. Navy, so it would be possible to have a Royal Navy Corsair model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    The Royal Navy flew Corsairs from its carriers before the U.S. Navy, so it would be possible to have a Royal Navy Corsair model.
    Which would give a nice chance for an alternative colour scheme to the Dark blue all over or blue/grey undersides. The Pacific fleet roundel (without the red inner would give the Aussies/Kiwis something to like too).

    I suppose there could be a checkerboard nose, a yellow nose and a plain jane plane (d'you see what i did there?) but a nice, distinctive paint job is a big bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    The Royal Navy flew Corsairs from its carriers before the U.S. Navy, so it would be possible to have a Royal Navy Corsair model.
    Good point, the British proved the Corsair was a viable carrier option! So one Marine Corp, one USN, and one RN Corsair please!

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    I'd rather an "A" as well... but a "Dora" will be nice.

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    The lack of internal consistency is my main concern. Having just released a series of models \ cards that are all firmly early or at best mid war, they jump to 1944/45 uber fighters. How can you expect to play Hurricane 1s against Dora 9s?

    I appreciate the game is at heart a card game \ boardgame rather than a historical wargame, but they dont seem to be identifying the change in customer base or managing the crossover very well

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    Quote Originally Posted by PilGrim View Post
    The lack of internal consistency is my main concern. Having just released a series of models \ cards that are all firmly early or at best mid war, they jump to 1944/45 uber fighters. How can you expect to play Hurricane 1s against Dora 9s?

    I appreciate the game is at heart a card game \ boardgame rather than a historical wargame, but they dont seem to be identifying the change in customer base or managing the crossover very well
    Hi Ken,

    I think the designers are just answering calls made by many WGS players including many members of this forum for late war aircraft. Some people have no interest in early-mid war stuff, just look at other game systems. They want to pit their Fw 190D interceptors against B-17 bombers with P-51 escorts. It's not the way I feel but I won't criticise people for it, just as I would not expect them to dis' me for wanting Gladiators and Falcos. If the more familiar late war aircraft, particularly in the US, attracts new players then we all win because the money rolls in and eventually we get the other aircraft in between. If Ares plays it smart and maintains the interest they can keep this game system going for years.

    My 2 cents,

    Carl.

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    Exactly! Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Brisgamer View Post
    Hi Ken,

    I think the designers are just answering calls made by many WGS players including many members of this forum for late war aircraft. Some people have no interest in early-mid war stuff, just look at other game systems. They want to pit their Fw 190D interceptors against B-17 bombers with P-51 escorts. It's not the way I feel but I won't criticise people for it, just as I would not expect them to dis' me for wanting Gladiators and Falcos. If the more familiar late war aircraft, particularly in the US, attracts new players then we all win because the money rolls in and eventually we get the other aircraft in between. If Ares plays it smart and maintains the interest they can keep this game system going for years.

    My 2 cents,

    Carl.
    Fair comment, in fact I wish they would stop the "scattergun" release and give us something consistent too. The lack of coherency in the releases is puzzling. I assume they considered themed releases such as Battle of Britain, Battle of Germany, Eastern Front, Malta or Midway, all of which are "doable" with 2 models a side, and decided to go with the current process. To some extent this is governed by the card decks I suppose, but if US sales (for instance) are important then a Midway set with a Wildcat, Dauntless, Zero and Val (or similar) would seem to be a good bet. Similarly 1940s Spitfires, Hurricanes , 109s and 110s would be popular. I cant see B17s working tbh, although someone will buy enough for a box, but again P51, P47 vs 190 and 109G would be a nice set

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    Quote Originally Posted by PilGrim View Post
    Fair comment, in fact I wish they would stop the "scattergun" release and give us something consistent too. The lack of coherency in the releases is puzzling. I assume they considered themed releases such as Battle of Britain, Battle of Germany, Eastern Front, Malta or Midway, all of which are "doable" with 2 models a side, and decided to go with the current process. To some extent this is governed by the card decks I suppose, but if US sales (for instance) are important then a Midway set with a Wildcat, Dauntless, Zero and Val (or similar) would seem to be a good bet. Similarly 1940s Spitfires, Hurricanes , 109s and 110s would be popular. I cant see B17s working tbh, although someone will buy enough for a box, but again P51, P47 vs 190 and 109G would be a nice set
    I know originally Andrea considered the WW2 game as early war only - hence the name 'Wings of War: Dawn of WW2', but events and demand have overtaken that concept.

    I would love themed sets but they may not sell well where some players will not buy (x) theatre aircraft.

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    Jup. And thus the dilemma of the faster aircrafts.
    I bed we would have seen a 'Wings of War: End of WW2' or such where only those fast aircrafts are in without changing the card size or whatever mechanism will be used.

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    I personally think the jumping around on aircraft types is the main reason that WGS does not sell as well as WGF. The lack of US planes is also a big killer to the game here in the States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I personally think the jumping around on aircraft types is the main reason that WGS does not sell as well as WGF. The lack of US planes is also a big killer to the game here in the States.
    I'd agree, the scattergun has produced a selection of disparate models that you can have a fun game playing 4 handed and no particular sides, but fails when you want to put a more historical game together.

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    Ken, I had a similar problem with WGS so I sat and created a list of historicaly accurate campaigns. Check post #7 in this thread:

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...ainstorm-ideas

    Hope it helps.
    PS: I must add new planes (Beaufighter, Gladiator, Fiat and Me 110) soon.



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