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    As I saw some of these in the flesh yesterday I believe, yes they do look good, as did all of Tims models.
    He had on display six KR trays all with squadron / Jasta sized units

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    Drat! I missed out on that one Chris.
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    Here is my Flight of Clipper's Fulmers in full cry.


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    Nice paint job Rob. The master craftsman and the master painter at work.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skafloc View Post
    Nice paint job Rob. The master craftsman and the master painter at work.
    Well I'd better get on with converting that carrier to Illustrious then or else they will have to land at Luqa when the fuel runs out.
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    Top notch work on the Fulmers Rob!

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    Thanks Kelly.
    As I said before, it's easy when Clipper provides such good models to work on.
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    I can now add my "Merit" Dauntless Flight to the mix.


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    Rob.
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    Fantastic work everyone! Truly wonderful planes.

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    Nice Dauntless Rob, which carrier are they flying off?
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    None yet Neil. They are nearly two years in the future, as are this next offering.
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    Here are a Flight of FAA. AIM Vought Corsairs.

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    We must fly our trios together over Malta sometime.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Ain't you off there shortly Neil?
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    Here are some repaints depicting Camels of 17th Aero Squadron (Americans in the RAF). They belong to my buddy Jim (rhodie80), who did the basic color repaints, and then he sent them my way to 'badge up' with the squadron insignia (barbell) and letters - I used Vallejo off-white for those.

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    As always, thanks for looking!

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    nice work, Matt!

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    Very nifty as usual Matt.
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    Finally got around to photographing a Snipe unit together - C Flight, 4th AFC, using WGF Barker models, with the PC10 repainted a greener shade to match the old Nexus Ryrie and Baker models, which were from the same squadron. Sadly destined for the bay (needs must....) but I shall have to do another lot for my own amusement.

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    Nice Dom, dont think we seen that many Snipes on here

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    Cheers - I can understand why they're a bit neglected, given their limited combat employment, but 4th AFC vs Jasta Boelcke is one hell of a tempting match-up - two genuinely elite squadrons, in pretty much the best planes of the war, knocking heads together, what's not to like...? Sadly my research and repaint skills aren't up to doing Jasta Boelcke just yet (one day....) but for the time being I find 4th AFC an excellent match-up for my Jasta 15 kites.

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    Excellent! Nice work Dom. I still have some snipes on my I have yet to repaint.

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    Very tasty Dom.
    Exactly twice the number of Snipes that I own.
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    Those are some nicely repainted Snipes, Dom. Great work!

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    Not the best photo, sorry (rushed shot this morning, and the light wasn't great) but a little more love for the Entente, as the Jasta thread has got waaaaay more posts than this one....


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    Ooooh, lovely Nieuports there, Dom!

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    Great Nieuports Dom. Are the numbers your decals? Yes, the Jastas get too much of the share of love!

    Just bought some of your decals at a show in the US this morning. Your tentacles encircle the globe!

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    Small world. Yes, the decals are all from my Nieuport sheet.

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    Time for another group shot.... 60 squadron's Morane bullet flight, summer 1916. Wings Of Glory Navarre models obviously, with home-made decals, and a fresh lick of paint to get rid of that nasty plastic look on the wings. Strictly speaking the serial numbers used are two Type N, an I and a V, but the latter are similar enough that I can forgive myself.... (The I and V both had a Vickers instead of the Type N's Lewis gun, and different windscreen arrangements, but were otherwise extremely similar looking.)

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    Very nice work Dom. As for the serial numbers, I would need glasses to read them.

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    Like those Dom, had to make my own decals too for mine, hint hint, could do with some proper ones
    What did you use on the wings ?

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    Thanks chaps. No immediate plans for a decal release, but may well happen when I'm more on top of things, and have more done (BBs, Nieuport 16s etc.) As for the wings, 3 parts Vallejo ice yellow to 1 part white is an extremely good match for the WGF Morane.

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    Just realised, I'd better post up pictures of my 303 Squadron Hurricanes, before everybody else floods the Forum with pictures of the new Ares ones!

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    Belgian "van den Hove" Hurricane Mk.Is by Nexus; decals by Matt Sneddon (mehusla ; 1/144 direct on ebay)

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    Thy look mightily impressive en mass like that Tim.
    From that height not a snail in sight.
    I hate predictive text.
    Rob.
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    Royal Aircraft Factory BE2c s, from 13 Squadron RFC, November 1915


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    Shapeways WSF by Colinwe

    Misterkit "RFC/RAF Clear Doped Linen" paint overall, with Vallejo detailing.

    Decals by mehusla, 1/144 Direct on ebay (our very own Matt Sneddon)

    Serial numbers by our very own miscmini - thanks very much, Kev!

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    27th Aero Squadron

    These Spad XIIIs are out hunting balloons with Luke spurring them on. The decals came from 1/144 direct and are always great to work with.

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    Really nicely done squadron, worth a few reps

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    Tim, that is a lovely sight! I’m really going to have to get some of those Hurricanes now!

    -Chuck


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    These are repainted Ares planes. They made for a pretty easy repaint as most of it involved changing numbers and some cowling repainting. Some of the planes are piloted by the following pilots. Plane 0 is Douglas Campbell. Plane 1 is John Huffer. Plane 12 is Eddie Rickenbacker.

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    Here's to them what are like us. Damn few and they're all dead.

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    'A' Flight, 24 Squadron RFC, France, Summer/Autumn 1916

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    All six are 'Ares' models, repainted with 'Vallejo' paints (except for 'Misterkit' CDL).
    Decals by '1/144 Direct' and 'Miscmini'
    Last edited by Flying Helmut; 12-08-2018 at 14:07.

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    Another superb job Tim
    would make for a great "early" scenario at a show somewhere!

    Lest we forget

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    These are lovely and that last shot is superb, very evocative.

    I didn't realise that the same planes in the same flight in the same squadron would be painted differently - PC10 and CDL, I just thought they would all be the same. Presumably it's the strut colours that differentiate the planes in the flight rather than having letters or numbers, is the plane with the 4 on the wing different for some reason.

    Sorry for the questions but I'm just prepping 2 of these from Shapeways and I got the decals from Misc Mini for 24 squadron I was going to use the No 1 and 4 that came with them but maybe they are different Flights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbiggles View Post
    Another superb job Tim
    would make for a great "early" scenario at a show somewhere!
    Thanks John!

    Your "early" scenario is the main reason I painted them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    These are lovely and that last shot is superb, very evocative.

    I didn't realise that the same planes in the same flight in the same squadron would be painted differently - PC10 and CDL, I just thought they would all be the same. Presumably it's the strut colours that differentiate the planes in the flight rather than having letters or numbers, is the plane with the 4 on the wing different for some reason.

    Sorry for the questions but I'm just prepping 2 of these from Shapeways and I got the decals from Misc Mini for 24 squadron I was going to use the No 1 and 4 that came with them but maybe they are different Flights?
    Hi John

    Glad you like my beasties!

    My research into 24 Squadron threw up a great swathe of options, misinterpretations, errors and problems owing to a lack of definitive information.

    In short:
    'A' Flight used Red as it's particular colour.
    'B' Flight used Black
    'C' Flight used Blue

    Each six-plane Flight had varying strut configurations; every outboard wing strut was painted overall in the Flight colour, then each was marked individually with white bands - none, one or two, with no pair of struts exhibiting matching fore and aft bands.

    The wheel covers were painted in the same Flight colour; 'A' Flight solid Red, 'C' Flight solid Blue and 'B' Flight solid Black with a thin white circle.

    The PC10/CDL differentiation is a real problem.
    All the early production DH2s, and most of the later ones, were delivered to France in overall CDL. PC10 only started to be used in early/mid 1916, and was not applied universally, and apparently sometimes not at all,
    Machines at the Front had PC10 applied to upper surfaces, and sometimes the sides, but probably not universally. An RFC directive stipulated Grey for the nacelle, but this was not always applied, and it was occasionally overpainted with PC10!

    As for the Red numeral 4, this is a big problem.

    An RFC directive allowed for the application of large numerals in the Flight colour, but this was late in Autumn of 1916, AFTER the use of PC10 became "universal".
    There should not be an all-CDL plane carrying coloured Flight numerals!
    This is a mistake by Ares, but the fault is not theirs - Phaeon and Wingnut have both issued kits with Red numerals on CDL, and their mistake has been picked up by Ares. I can find no evidence at all, photographic, anecdotal or published, for Flight numbers on CDL wings!
    (This also happened with Valom and the "Raben" Fokker Dr1 - an American museum displayed a "Raben" Dr1 Triplane with a Red cowling, not the documented White [confusing with MvR?), and Valom copied this error onto their 1/144 painting scheme enclosed with their kits).
    The Red '4' should be displayed on a PC10 wing - the Blue 'C' Flight number decals produced by "Miscmini" are correct, in that they incorporate a thin white border, to allow the number to be easily visualised against the dark PC10 background (a white border outline is totally unnecessary against a light CDL background!), but are based on both DH2 and Fe8 aircraft - "Blue 1" was flown by Captain Selden Herbert Long of 'C' Flight, but I can find no information about Blue "4". There is, however, a reconstruction planform of an Fe8 carrying a Blue "1" and a Blue "4" in one of my Datafile books, but, obviously, this is of no use when producing a DH2 mini!
    (note also that the Miscmini fuselage roundels have a thin white border - this is INCORRECT for DH2s; there should be no white border until the Autumn/Winter of 1916. None of the photographs or reconstructions I have display a white border on DH2s. The wing decal roundels ARE correct (no white border) but are a bit too small - they should reach Full-Chord across the wing (leading edge to trailing edge); they need to be at least 1mm bigger (probably 1.5mm). Also, Serial Number "6015" is a 32 Squadron machine, not 24 Squadron.
    I used "1/144 Direct" roundel decals for the upper wing and fuselage (I used the Miscmini wing roundels for the wing undersides, where the size problem is less noticeable, so as not to waste them).

    The biggest problem with my repaints is the inability to produce matching plane cards; I now have more than 100 repainted planes without cards, so I try now and then to repaint planes for which cards already exist.
    These six 24 Squadron planes fall into that category - all 6 have cards available in Ares mini box planes, or as cards produced by Max Headroom and modified by me to now display the adjusted manoeuvre deck as stipulated by the Official/Unofficial Aircraft files on this Forum.

    The planes within a given Flight would probably been painted identically (at a given point in time). One exception to this is the repeated reference to the fuselage roundel being forward, central, aft or missing altogether (there was NO official instruction as to presence or absence).

    I have painted the six planes to match the plane cards I have, but some, or all, of the CDL planes would have been repainted with PC10 when possible (assuming they survived!).
    Information about which planes lasted until when is sorely lacking, and 24 Squadron had a nasty habit of allowing its pilots to fly any available machine within the same Flight at any given time (I have six different machines flown by Saundby, two of which were also flown by Andrews and one by Hawker! - and that's just the tip of the iceberg!).

    Previous Squadrons repainted by me have exhibited uniform PC10 schemes - this lot are different, owing to the mix of PC10/CDL/Grey nacelle combinations.
    And I don't need to beg the card-production gurus to spend more of their valuable time on me.


    "In short" - yeah, right!
    Sorry about the waffle.................................
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    Great info Tim. Looking into painting squadrons takes some determination to research it to the end.

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    Tim thanks for taking the time to give such a useful answer, so if I use the 1 and 4 in blue I'm C flight, I prefer the red struts to blue and I've found the cards you referred to. Red/Blue life is a conundrum.

    I was going for 24 Squadron because they went to France at the beginning of Feb 16 and I want them for the OTT games, but I suspect fresh from England the planes would have been uniform in colour but I like the idea of them being different. Need to think about this a bit more.

    Thanks again.
    Cheers

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    Hi John

    Yes, fresh from England in early 1916, the planes should be overall CDL, with no grey on the nacelles, no Flight numerals and no fuselage roundel. Also, the lowest available Serial numbers!

    Perhaps a little artistic licence, to tart them up just a bit................?

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    Great info, Tim! Seems the painting is the last struggle one faces when approaching a re-paint!

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    Lovely paint job Tim and thanks a bundle for the information too - very helpful indeed

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