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    Quote Originally Posted by matt56 View Post
    Nice to know whose planes they are marked for, but I actually meant which is yours and which is your buddy's...

    Good to see you at Dawn Patrol today!

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    oh sorry. the mannock is his and MURICA for me.
    yes it was good seeing you at the dawn patrol!!! too bad we didnt get to play a game together.

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    Ok, it's a painting thread, but I think the step before the paint job of a Valom SE5(a) is potentially interesting for others.

    I want the appearance as close to the WGF models as possible - with minimal effort. So I skipped the filling and sanding process, which I applied to my Valom D.VIIs. The same applies for the rigging - I like fiddly work, but not on a gaming miniature.

    The outer struts of the kit appear to long as the distance of the top wing to the fuselage is a little bit to big. Thus I had to replace the inner struts with cut off staples. The "WGF pilot" and the peg are each made of a sprue bit. The two parts were drilled and got connected with a cut off pin. The front part (hair?) of the Foster mount was damaged. I replaced it with the etched sprue part, witch is found between the MP2 struts (the photo was made before I added the new front rail).

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    I primed and painted it with Reaper Paints, yesterday. The next step is applying a gloss varnish spray as preparation for applying the decals to prevent "silvering".
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    A superb work there, Florian. Keep us updated on your efforts with this kite. Rep guns fired!
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    Hmmm... photo-etched upper-wing Lewis guns. Now, if only I could have sourced them a little while ago.

    Very nice work on the plane, Florian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Hmmm... photo-etched upper-wing Lewis guns. Now, if only I could have sourced them a little while ago.

    Very nice work on the plane, Florian.
    If I had a plastic Lewis instead, I had chosen that one. The pe-one is to angular.

    The kit is still available - I've ordered mine directly from Václav.

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    I used the daylight to make a few shots of the painted model. The black parts are still missing - I hope to finish the model this night, so I can apply the decals tomorrow. I was confused about the colour of the underside of the fuselage. On some profiles Mannocks plane is linen, on other olive or half olive half linen. In the end I decided to make the bottom olive overall. By the way: the olive colour comes out very light. Last night it seemed much darker and more brown (I knew I should have used my daylight lamp ). On the other hand many model builders suggest to lighten up a colour as the size of the model gets smaller.

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    The colours are (Reaper Paint = RP):

    Undercoat: Vallejo White Primer spray

    (The main colours were thinned down with water and applied in 3-4 thin coats to avoid brush strokes)
    Olive: Muddy Olive RP 50% + Dark Skin RP 50%
    Linen: Polished Bone RP 50% + Amber Gold RP 50%
    Pilot/Muffler: Dark Skin RP
    Propeller/Struts: Leather Brown RP 75% + Rust Brown 25%
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    I would not care too much about the particular shade, for due to lack of colour photos how can we know exactly what the colours really were and looked.
    To me your olive green upperside is about right. Lighter shade in the sun, fine. The underside vanilla (I use Valejo vanilla, that looks much the same) is probably perfect.
    Taking photos in daylight . My preference exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    If I had a plastic Lewis instead, I had chosen that one. The pe-one is to angular.

    The kit is still available - I've ordered mine directly from Václav.
    Hmmm... As it turns out, I might be in Prague sometime in the near future. As I don't need whole models, perhaps I can stop into the shop and pick up some PE parts for my Ni.17 planes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    By the way: the olive colour comes out very light.
    Many paint shades darken up a bit when gloss varnished, and some can change colour slightly.

    When I was a young teenager, I painted 100 or so 1/700 scale US carrier planes, using "Oxford Blue".
    The paint dried a little lighter than I wanted, and a bit 'violet'.

    I placed clear film decals on the wings and fuselage, and, when dry, painted over the entire plane with gloss varnish.
    Lo and behold, the "Oxford Blue" darkened down to a close approximation of "Midnight Blue" (which I wanted ) except for the paint under the clear film supporting the stars-and-bars decals, which remained a lighter, more 'violet' "Oxford Blue"!


    Coat your mode with varnish, then reappraise the colours - you might be pleasantly surprised!
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    After looking at the WOW SE5a I've opted for a silver Lewis and motor parts to meet the toy look of the official planes. I also used a light grey on the tires instead of black (are the WOW SE5a ones silver, too? ). The struts and propeller were also changed to a darker, more brownish tone:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    Coat your mode with varnish, then reappraise the colours - you might be pleasantly surprised!
    I hope so! Now it's time for varnishing

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    By looking on the photo, the varnish seems to have reacted with the olive colour - a slight yellowish shade has been appeared. In reality the difference is barely visible.
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    I hope you won't leave the Lewis in silver for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    I hope you won't leave the Lewis in silver for good.
    My heart was bleeding and I guided the brush with disgust, but as mentioned above, my aim is to match the WGF paintjob. "Can someone confirm, that the tires of the WGF SE5a are silver, too?"

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    Nexus paintjob is not always correct. I would apply for example Pactra "Gunmetal" paint.
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    I even go further than that Andy. After the gunmetal, I add a black ink wash watered down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    I even go further than that Andy. After the gunmetal, I add a black ink wash watered down.
    Rob.
    That's what specialists do. My wash technique is still in it's early days.
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    Things are looking good with your SE5a, Florian - great work with all of the fiddly photo-etched parts! I like your color choice for PC10 - and I look forward to seeing it decaled up and finished

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Great to see the work you have been putting in to your SE5a & I can't wait to see it finished.

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    @Matt and Adie: Me too - can't wait to get home to apply the decals. That's always a rewarding moment in model kit building. (Given that the decals are of good quality). I'm going to use a decal softener the first time - so I'm agog, how the result is coming out.

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    For me applying the decals are a big relief. It signals the project is in the final stage. After decals I do a couple of clear spray coats, clear gloss or matte, then flat. Then of course it is fully completed when I get the plane on the table. Looking forward to seeing your finished model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    For me applying the decals are a big relief. It signals the project is in the final stage. After decals I do a couple of clear spray coats, clear gloss or matte, then flat. Then of course it is fully completed when I get the plane on the table. Looking forward to seeing your finished model.
    Yes, it's analogue to miniature painting when I start with the base. It's like saying to myself "now it is good, now it is finished". And looking at a finished project is always so constructive, when the remorse through too many other long-lasting hobby projects is paralysing my impetus once again.

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    An old model builder trick is to throw an assembled biplane on the ground before applying the decals:

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    After the decals have been applied and the broken off struts are glued back in position a second layer of varnish has been applied (still wet and shiny on the photos):

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    Very nice, Florian.

    Had me worried when you broke the wing and undercarriage off.

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    Mick Mannock would be proud of your model!
    Rep coming.

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    Great work, Florian!

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    I hope you are pleased with the result, Florian - I would be proud to have it in my hangar! I am glad you didn't choose to use another old modeler trick and throw it on the ground again after it was all finished...

    All the best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    An old model builder trick is to throw an assembled biplane on the ground before applying the decals:
    After the decals have been applied and the broken off struts are glued back in position a second layer of varnish has been applied (still wet and shiny on the photos):
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    Really nicely done. Hmmm... There is an official Wings of War card for this plane.
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    What I found astounding was that after the old modeller's trick you found all the bits again Florian.
    Now that is a trick well worth knowing.
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    Thank you all for your friendly comments. Which were additional motivation finishing the build.

    @Rob: "Glück im Unglück" as we're used to say. After the strident scream of pain had died away, and the decal for the bottom wing which was soaking in water already had been applied on the wreck, I realized that the explosion radius was manageable. That is the advantage of a plank floor vs. the parts eating carpet monster.

    @Mike: Unfortunately I don't own neither the appropriate airplane card nor the maneuver deck. Seems I have to wait until summer (this year?).

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    Florian, PM me with your email address and I can send you a scan of the maneuver deck and plane card.

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    Florian, It is fantastic to see the finished article. Great work!

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    Here're some images of my finished Valom SE5(a)'s: Mannock and Lewis
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    They look excellent, very nice.

    I've not come across that old modellers trick before, obviously gives a very good end result, I may have to try it with my next model!

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    Great looking planes, Florian, with such a smooth finish. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windy Jack View Post
    Great looking planes, Florian, with such a smooth finish. Well done.
    Thank you. Actually the paint on Lewis machine has some flaws. The base coat on the elevators cracked. I just removed the loose paint chips and overpainted the areas. But on the normal viewing distance it isn't visible, at all.
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    An old model builder trick is to throw an assembled biplane on the ground before applying the decals:
    Aah yes - that hurts a lot. I tried a different approach recently and allowed some MDF backed scenery to crash on top of a Fokker EIII and an FE2b - the Fokker was easily repaired, fortunately, but the Fee took a more serious hit. But it was a good test of their relative strengths under duress

    Lovely paint job Florian. REP inbound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    An old model builder trick is to throw an assembled biplane on the ground before applying the decals
    Tried that with my Prague painting Competition entry this morning (but AFTER applying decals and finishing);
    4 feet straight down, onto a hardwood floor!

    Fortunately, she bounced - no damage!

    I'll never follow your advice again, Florian
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    Here are Hunters SE5's the elves did for him, now residing in the Clipperdome . . .

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    Valom SE5a models - night fighter for Capt C. Lewis, 61 Home Defence Sqn, and Major E Mannock, 74 Sqn

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    my shabby Albert Ball repaint (avoided some detailing because I am a noob painter and felt like stopping while I was ahead) Click image for larger version. 

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    repainted the tail white with toothpick

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    also i plan to repaint a McCudden Se5a either as Mannock or lewis, where can I find decals for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the black devil View Post
    also i plan to repaint a McCudden Se5a either as Mannock or lewis, where can I find decals for them?
    The Valom kit has decals for Mannock (74 sqn) and Lewis (40 Sqn - not the home defence night fighter sqn one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowDragon View Post
    The Valom kit has decals for Mannock (74 sqn) and Lewis (40 Sqn - not the home defence night fighter sqn one).
    Thank you

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    My version of a squadron of 56th Squadron SE5a. Looking for Werner Voss.

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    My version of a squadron of 56th Squadron SE5a. Looking for Werner Voss.
    The G is the base Ares plane. H, I, J, and K are the repaints with Misc Mini decals.

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    Nice work, Dan!

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