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    We're not in a hurry here, Marco.

    Take the time you need.

    I'm not shure if I could play it before Christmas. Think it will be the week between the 24th and the 31th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    We're not in a hurry here, Marco.

    Take the time you need.

    I'm not shure if I could play it before Christmas. Think it will be the week between the 24th and the 31th.
    Yeah, I know. But if don't play before Christmas holidays I couldn't play it until after the 6th of Jenuary

    And since my pilots are in the right mood (and I'm veeery lucky with damages) I don't want them lose it resting on laurels during Christmas (expecially eating too much and so having their planes heavier and slower than usual). Because they have to react fast and to be lethal as they always are

    Marco

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    Ok, Marco - so guard your transports well.

    Do you have Dauntless bombers? ...or maybe a B25 Mitchell for the bombing mission?

    Otherwise use Wildcats or P40 Warhawks as bombers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Ok, Marco - so guard your transports well.

    Do you have Dauntless bombers? ...or maybe a B25 Mitchell for the bombing mission?

    Otherwise use Wildcats or P40 Warhawks as bombers.
    Unfortunately I haven't Dauntless (where did you buy them?) and I'll use B-25 and it'll be escorted by Wildcats: this will enforce the spirit of my pilots or will destroy them (I hope the first choice).
    One question: using B-25, it has to do dive bombing or it will stay at the 4th level peg troughout the game?
    Otherwise I'll use P-40 and Wildcats.

    Marco

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Thanks Andrzej, but is ithis the site http://www.aim72.co.uk/index.html?
    Because I didn't find a single mini here

    Marco

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcoperse View Post
    ... and I'll use B-25 and it'll be escorted by Wildcats: this will enforce the spirit of my pilots or will destroy them (I hope the first choice).
    One question: using B-25, it has to do dive bombing or it will stay at the 4th level peg troughout the game?
    A B-25 is still ok.

    Use the standart bombing rules, stay on level 4 and remember that the B-25 hits automatically when it gets in range of the ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcoperse View Post
    One question: using B-25, it has to do dive bombing or it will stay at the 4th level peg troughout the game?
    I'm pretty-sure the B-25 was *never* used as a dive-bomber....

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    I'm pretty-sure the B-25 was *never* used as a dive-bomber....
    Irregardless of the hollyweird version shown in the movie "Always" (another Spielberg movie) a B-25 in a vertical dive tends to shed minor surface areas like the left and right wings. But it works pretty good on the level and as a nifty ground support with B-25J with I believe 18x .50 caliber MG's aboard = eight in the nose, four in under-cockpit packages, two in an upper turret, two in the waist, and a pair in the tail. That many heavy machine guns would do a job on strafing a loaded carrier's flight deck. Now if they would work better than Torpedo Eight is..... sounds like a nifty scenario for you all to try to build and play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    I'm pretty-sure the B-25 was *never* used as a dive-bomber....
    yeah, you're right. Also because I think it could be almost impossible to dive bombing with a B-25

    above all to regain altitude once bombed targets

    But the B-25G version was used as an Anti Shipping Bomber

    Marco

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    My fault!
    http://www.armamentsinminiature.com/

    there you go, Marco!
    Thanks Andrzej

    I'll take time to refill my credit card then the Befana (the old lady bringing sweets or charcoal to kids on Epiphany) will bring me some new planes

    Marco

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    Quote Originally Posted by wargamer View Post
    Irregardless of the hollyweird version shown in the movie "Always" (another Spielberg movie) a B-25 in a vertical dive tends to shed minor surface areas like the left and right wings. But it works pretty good on the level and as a nifty ground support with B-25J with I believe 18x .50 caliber MG's aboard = eight in the nose, four in under-cockpit packages, two in an upper turret, two in the waist, and a pair in the tail. That many heavy machine guns would do a job on strafing a loaded carrier's flight deck. Now if they would work better than Torpedo Eight is..... sounds like a nifty scenario for you all to try to build and play.
    In fact in the Pacific Area it was used to strafe against airport, harbour and ships.

    Marco

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcoperse View Post
    Thanks Andrzej

    I'll take time to refill my credit card then the Befana (the old lady bringing sweets or charcoal to kids on Epiphany) will bring me some new planes

    Marco

    I can highly recommend the models. They are nicely detailed and come with a peg attached with a screw to which you can easily adopt Aerodrome Accesories magnets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post

    I can highly recommend the models. They are nicely detailed and come with a peg attached with a screw to which you can easily adopt Aerodrome Accesories magnets.
    I saw your albums and I really can't decide between the AM models

    Marco

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    Quote Originally Posted by wargamer View Post
    Irregardless of the hollyweird version shown in the movie "Always" (another Spielberg movie) a B-25 in a vertical dive tends to shed minor surface areas like the left and right wings. But it works pretty good on the level and as a nifty ground support with B-25J with I believe 18x .50 caliber MG's aboard = eight in the nose, four in under-cockpit packages, two in an upper turret, two in the waist, and a pair in the tail. That many heavy machine guns would do a job on strafing a loaded carrier's flight deck. Now if they would work better than Torpedo Eight is..... sounds like a nifty scenario for you all to try to build and play.
    First: There are no B-25s shown flying in _Always_; the water-bombers shown are Douglas A-26s. (The sole B-25 in the film appears in the background of one shot, parked.)

    Second: The massed MG loadout described wasn't used on B-25s until very much later in the war (1944); so about the only time it could be used against IJN CVs is at the Philippines -- and the IJN acft. were mostly land-based at that point, with the CVs serving (effectively, thanks to Halsey's thick-skulled stupidity) only as bait.

    Third: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless . :)

    Fourth, and last: I am already working up scenarios for "Pappy" Gunn's Finest -- however, since I don't use minis that much, and I'm still getting my camera squared away for when The Origins Mini arrives, I haven't bothered with AARs.

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    Sorry, my bad, confused movie with mel gibson's "Forever Young".

    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    First: There are no B-25s shown flying in _Always_; the water-bombers shown are Douglas A-26s. (The sole B-25 in the film appears in the background of one shot, parked.)

    Second: The massed MG loadout described wasn't used on B-25s until very much later in the war (1944); so about the only time it could be used against IJN CVs is at the Philippines -- and the IJN acft. were mostly land-based at that point, with the CVs serving (effectively, thanks to Halsey's thick-skulled stupidity) only as bait.

    Third: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless .

    Fourth, and last: I am already working up scenarios for "Pappy" Gunn's Finest -- however, since I don't use minis that much, and I'm still getting my camera squared away for when The Origins Mini arrives, I haven't bothered with AARs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wargamer View Post
    Sorry, my bad, confused movie with mel gibson's "Forever Young".
    Apparently, you and *EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET* -- *every* *bloody* *time* I see _Always_ discussed, the speaker mentions the "B-25" the hero pilots.... :P

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    Hey Chris, why don't you try one of our Midway Campaign mission. Shot down some cannon armed rice cookers - just for fun.

    We have no fighter sqadrons from the USS Enterprise at the moment.

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    Unfortunately, because of some chores, I had to give up and postponing "my battle" until the italian scholls will be re-opened. And so no dofights and bombings until 7th of jenuary

    Marco

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Hey Chris, why don't you try one of our Midway Campaign mission. Shot down some cannon armed rice cookers - just for fun.

    We have no fighter sqadrons from the USS Enterprise at the moment. ;)
    Unfortunately, speaking of forest fires: I spend most of my time (esp. at this time of year) Pissing On Forest Fires, so I really don't have time.

    And like I said: I'm currently working on 5thAF stuff -- including the 6xB-draw B-25....

    (Sample: "75mm Intimidation Rule": A B-25 with the 75mm may attempt to intimidate foes into leaving the field by firing the big gun in their general direction [they don't know what it is, or that it has almost-zero chance of hitting; but it is quite impressive...]. To attempt this, the B-25 player need only draw a single D-chit while one or more enemies are in the #1 arc; if the chit draw equals or exceeds the HP remaining of a enemy in that arc, that enemy must immediately exit the playing field via the shortest course to its own side. Fleeing enemies may be attacked, but will not fight back.)

  22. #72

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    Happy new year dear Midway Campaigners.

    Time to bomb/defend tha Japanese transports.

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    A little bit late (I was finally spending some holiday time with my family in Valencia) I'd like to wish to all of the officers (US or Japs no matters) a happy new year!!!!



    Marco

    P.S. I hope to play the third scenario during this week (on thursday I think)

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    I finished mission 3, but for my shame I made a capital maneuver failure with one of my Wildcats.

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...-amp-Immelmann

    Think I need to refly the mission...

    The result: One sunk ship & three shot down Zeros - but I lost both Dauntless dive bombers.

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    Mission solved!

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...nes-US-Navy%29

    Another Midway detail:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_order_of_battle

    I never knew that the US Navy was that outnumbered.
    Last edited by Marechallannes; 01-13-2013 at 01:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I never knew that the US Navy was that outnumbered.
    It looks bad -- but consider the realities of the battle:

    1) The USN knew when the IJN would show up, and what they would be doing when they got there; the devil was in the details.

    2) The USN under absolutely no circumstances was going to engage in a surface battle with the IJN; so all those BBs and CAs the IJN had were ineffective save as seaplane launchers. (There's an interesting historical sidenote to that: One of _Tone_'s seaplanes launched several minutes late due to a catapult fault; it was this seaplane which spotted the US CVs while the IJN crews were in the middle of swapping from anti-ship loadouts to anti-land loadouts -- which led the exhausted crews to get sloppy in their fuel- and bomb-handling procedures, leaving fuel-filled hoses and bombs lying around when the USM dive-bombers showed up....)

    So what really counted was the number of aircraft each side could put up -- spotters, and weapons-carriers; and that means it's only that last row which matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    ...

    So what really counted was the number of aircraft each side could put up -- spotters, and weapons-carriers; and that means it's only that last row which matters.
    Exactly.

    Underlines the value of the unsinkable carrier: "Midway Islands" in this Battle.

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    Found an intersting picture. It shows a bombardment of Midway.

    Can you imagine how the defenders felt, when the Japs bomb that little Atoll?

    ...and I think the possibilities to dig in were limited.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Found an intersting picture. It shows a bombardment of Midway.

    Can you imagine how the defenders felt, when the Japs bomb that little Atoll?

    ...and I think the possibilities to dig in were limited.

    It is only when I saw this picture that I realized how small it actually is. It must have been Hell on Earth.
    Rob.

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    Landing on such a small airfield is called "landing on a post stamp" here

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    Finally I could play the third mission!!! I'll post the AAR asap. Just one consideration: bombing with AI it's almost impossible

    Marco

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    Why?

    The AI hits automatically if the bomber is in range, according to the rules of course.

    If this wasn't clear, I add it to the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Why?

    The AI hits automatically if the bomber is in range, according to the rules of course.

    If this wasn't clear, I add it to the rules.
    No, the rules are clear and work good. Maybe I'm too luck, but throwing dices to decide their movement (and consider ships their priority) bring only one bomber in range to sink my ship. They spent the rest of the game creeping on the mat, trying to reach the other ship and being shot down like pidgeons by my Zeros.
    Anyway it was a good match and I enjoyed it (expecially because it took soooooo many time to be played)

    Marco

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    Hi chaps,

    I'm sorry I won't be able to fly the current mission till the end of Jan, for I'm going for a short winter holiday tonight.

    See you on my return. Fly safe!

    Andrzej.

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    Have nice days Andrzej

    And think about me: here at home with flu

    The only good thing is that I could see all the 6 Nations matches

    Marco

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    I will.
    Stay warm, Marco

    I'm going to experience this:

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    Enjoy the trip, dear wingman.

    ...and don't worry about the mission. We have all the time wee need.

  39. #89

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    So the last (mid war) Over the trenches campaign mission is accomplished.

    I'm shure we'll see mission Scenario 4: Midway Rising, soon.



  40. #90

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    Don't worry mate, I'm in plenty of time during this period

    Marco

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    I'm ashamed, I'm behind the schedule, but everything goes in the way. Tonight I'm writing a horribly tough appeal to the court. I'm on my last legs, truly...

    Great you accomplished the mission, Sven, I'll read the AAR as soon as I can.

  43. #93

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    Don't worry, Andrzej.

    We're not in a hurry.

    (thinking on the next two OTT missions... )

  44. #94

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    I'm late too: sick at home with flu once again (and this time even worse: it has been five days of 38° everytime of the day!!!). I can hardly stand

    Marco

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    Sorry to hear that Marco.
    Hope that you are feeling more chipper soon.
    Rob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Sorry to hear that Marco.
    Hope that you are feeling more chipper soon.
    Rob.
    You want him building hundreds of WW1 miniatures... oh, wait, you said "c*H*ipper".... :)

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    Thanks a lot to everybody for the wishes: I'm healthy (and combat ready) once again!!!



    Marco

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    So start your engines and try to gain air superiority over Midway!


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    I think the end of the Battle of Midway will not be the end of this campaign.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Brisgamer View Post
    Hi Sven,

    I would suggest New Guinea from February 1942 to August 1942 for your next campaign, then jump across to Guadalcanal from August 1942 to early 1943 for the third campaign.

    The New Guinea battles centre around Japanese raids on Port Moresby defended by the US and Australians, and their retaliatory raids on the Japanese airfields. It was a fairly even fight so good for a campaign. Principle aircraft for the Allies would be the P40, P39 and SBD Dauntless, for the Japanese the Zero, the Val and the Oscar. There are cards for all these aircraft but you would have to paint up models for the P39, SBD and Oscar.

    I have done a lot of research on the USAAC and RAAF vs the IJNAF and IJAAF, when I get home from work I'll send you some documents.

    Cheers,

    Carl
    Guadalcanal & New Guinea are good places to add a few next missions with B25, P40, KI61, Beaufighter, Spitfire, etc.

    It's clear thar our squadrons will be tranferred to this theater as soon as the recover from the losses of the Battle of Midway.


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