For some reason I thought there were other airplanes in this set. I did not realize this was a dedicated Nazi expansion.
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For some reason I thought there were other airplanes in this set. I did not realize this was a dedicated Nazi expansion.
Bristol Blenheim for Britain and SM-79 for Italy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokhuah
Right, would like to see the SM-79, partially because it is an unusual choice.
Painted cannopy frames are nice surprise, but the lower light-blue colour in cockpit is not the...best...
Probably see these about the middle of next year then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Patrol
Rob.
Yes, we have Göring and Hess as pilot cards and each airplane pack has little swastika flag in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokhuah
Not quite sure I want to start discussion about Nazism in our game. Or if, it would be better in separate thread.
Was not trying to do that. I was simply using Nazi for Germans the same way people use the term Yanks for Americans. Do not put too much thought into it, in fact, my mind is completely blank right now...
Right.
I hope that is Satisfactory to everyone. If anybody needs to discuss it further PM me and we will consider a deletion or other way of ironing out the misunderstanding.
Rob.
I read this thread with interest and joy.
For myself I don't care about, but I thought that the word "dedicated" pushes Ares & Andrea into a bad light.
I read it the same way. Didn’t think it showed anybody in a bad light, though I suppose a less knowledgeable group could possibly misconstrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokhuah
And there I was, looking into Hess' flight to England, trying to figure out what type of plane he flew, and if it was one of the new releases. Nope. It was a slightly modified Bf-110.
Thanks for the educational opportunity, Sven.
One of the few Bf.110 who reached it's goal during BoB :D
And look at all the trouble that caused Daniel. :D
Rob.
Saw these at ukge early June.
I asked when they were expecting them to be reljeased, was told late Q3 this year, so late Oct...... ish
I'm specially intersted in this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by monse
Hope for a good punch versus the Lancasters. ;)
Hopefully before 31at October 2019.
Guess I'll have to schedule a rewrite of some of the unofficial aircraft this fall.
Karl
I'm just curious, Karl: How much are your status similar to Andrea's? About approx 80%?
Well, the only plane I have done that was later released was the Bf-109K. I haven't gone back and compared my guess with Andrea's work, so I should.
The one difference with the information we have now on bomber release is that he has the Ju.88 on the bomber base wherein I had it on a heavy fighter base.
My reasoning was that the apparent maneuverability outweighed the wingspan issue. Since Andrea has spoken (as it were), I will have to rethink my opinion of the P-38 lightning also.
Also, when the P-47 came out, I revised the Corsair to it's deck, as it more closely resembled the thunderbolt than the mustang.
Karl
This is not a complaint, just thinking...
Why release all these 2nd version of bombers instead of getting maybe a Japanese medium bomber or even do half fighter half medium bomber release? Is the SM79 really that crucial?
Why not release a bomber/fighter pack with say a Ju88 and a FW190-A then a Do17 with a BF109G?
I'm not being picky just trying to see why they don't go with much more enticing products for the general customer, not the converted fans?
I hope the Pacific starts to get some love. Releasing the Pacific starter set just after the new MIDWAY movie is released would have been a smart move.
Well, I think they are deep roots in this. Not a fan of SM.79, but let me find some reasons:
- Ares is an Italian company.
- Whole game is strongly focus on European Theater right now. More than Pacific.
- He.111 was a bestseller - another reason to stick to European Thater.
- SM.79 joined BoB (once, true). After BoB Starter Set possible reason.
- Andrea is developing torpedo rules.
- And probably the most important: If you look on released minis, you would be surprised how many minis from Mediterranean Thatre were released. When a "newbie" started with a WGS he bought what was available that time - just Mediterranean. Surprisingly it gaves to him a lot of possible minis.
Once more, I am not a fan of SM.79, I would like to see Wellington more than anything else, but these reasons I can see right now. I guess they will turn to Pacific more after releasing Midway Starter Set (already announced, unofficialy).
Yes we get more cannonfodder for all the Spitfires & Hurricanes out there. :thumbsup:
I like the new series.
...and hope for some dive bomber capacities of the Ju88.
That could be really interesting - we (me and Kubajs) are bringing a dive bomb mission to Doncaster this year, so we can see how funny dive bombing play can be (but just with Stukas, of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marechallannes
PS: I guess you will dive bomb more precisely the important targets on British airfields ;)
Beg to differ but the SM79 is the only model I will probably buy. I like my Italians. Malta, North Africa and the Med in general. Bring them on ;)
I, too, have always liked the SM79 - lots of great color schemes available for it, too, for repaints. But I like the other planes coming out in the release, as well...looking forward to the Dornier night-fighter version, especially...:sAprvd:
All the best,
Matt
Do you mean Daniel, that a SM.79 was sent to participate to the Battle of England ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan-Sam
The only information I get about a Savoia Marchetti during BOB is a SM.75 used as transport aircraft (which is much more bigger than a SM.79).
Planes of the Corpo Aero Italiano, used in BOB 1940-41
bomber : Fiat Br.20
fighters : Fiat Cr.42 - Fiat G.50
With the transport element (twelve Caproni 133Ts, one Savoia-Marchetti S.75, with nine Ca164s for communications).
Pictures and info : http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm
So I probably missed it and changed with Fiat Br.20. Thank you, Monse, for correction - it is necessary to correct mistakes and not confuse others :thankyou:
Ju.88 and Do.17 are scheduled in October 2019.
https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products
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They figure on Squadron Packs page.
http://www.aresgames.eu/games/ww2-wi...squadron-packs
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Each Squadron Pack includes a decal sheet to customize it.
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Dornier Do.17Z F1+FS-8./KG76
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Dornier Do.17Z F1+FH-1./KG76
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Dornier Do.17Z-10 R4+AK-2./NJG2 Pilot Hauptmann Erich Jung
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Dornier Do.17Z-10 R4+LK-1./NJG2
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Junker Ju.88 A-1 Wk.Nr 4136 3Z+BB Stab I./KG77
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Junker Ju.88 A-1 3Z+HM-4./KG77
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Junker Ju.88 A-4 Wk.Nr 1610-S4+BH /KGR.506
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Junker Ju.88 A-4 Wk.Nr 2084-S4+OH-1./KGR.506
No SM79?
SM.79 and Blenheim will be in a separate release, after the Ju.88 and Do.17.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baxter
(information from Ares).
Those should re-spark the Battle of Britain and give the newcomers some targets for their RAF planes.
:sAprvd:
And give my wallet time to heal from the recent WGF additions.
;)
Thanks for that info and pictures Monse. That's my Christmas list sorted then.
Rob.
This one is a sad news, but happy to have more German bombers. One is really not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by monse
Wondering how they will change the colors of the prop spinners . . . .
Thx for posting the pictures, Monse!
This side of the Channel Daniel, one is too many. ;)
Kyte.
Interesting perspective that didn't come into my mind before - thank you for it, commander.
Here in Central Europe we have more experiences with B-17 (Pilsen) and P-51 & P-47 (especially steam locomotive drivers). I remember when I was a boy my grandfather (born '29) told me a story how they observed Germans hiding Stukas in wood close to the airfield. And there in is a pair of German high boots that a German soldier changed with grandfather for common shoes in May '45 in our cellar.
Oh, I think I'm quite off-topic.
Great news, Monse - thanks for digging out the pictures and information on the German half of the release - I can see several of these making their way into my collection. And then the Italians and Brits will follow...:sAprvd:
All the best,
Matt
Harry Materne, Matt56 and I were working in the Ares booth at Gen con this weekend running games. They had the bomber prototypes in a case. I asked the Ares staff and they were kind enough to open the case and let me get close up pictures of the airplanes. Roberto Di Meglio was in the booth when I was there. He said that these are rough pieces and they will be cleaned up for production. I took a picture of the underside of the one JU88 showing the torpedos.
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