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Ares Games announces on its FB page the future edition of Torpedo Rules. Click HERE.
First Torpedo planes to be edited will be an Italian one : Savoia Marchetti SM-79.
with two paint schemes.
No scheduled date for now.
https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/21/02/61/cc315110.jpg
YAY! :clap:
Thanks for the update, Monse!
IMO, a strange choice of airplane. It seems like Ares is intentionally avoiding the war in the Pacific.
How many Italian units were in the Pacific?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokhuah
LOL
I believe not many of those 1,200 SM-79s, if any at all, because of the over 9,000 Avengers already torpedo bombing...
Since 2011, Ares has produced the following planes that can be used for Pacific scenarios :Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokhuah
Allied
- Curtiss P-40
- Bristol Beaufighter
- Spitfire Mk.IX
- N.A. P-51 Mustang
- Republic P-47 Thunderbolt
- Douglas SBD Dauntless
- N.A. B-25 Mitchell
- Boeing B-17
Japanese
- Kawasaki Ki.61 Hien
- Nakajima Ki.84 Hayate
- Yokosuka D4Y Suisei
Along with the Wings of War Grumman F4F Wildcat and Mitsubishi Zero.
Of course, the Corsair and P-38 Lightning have been expected for a while.
But it could be worse !
The eastern front has only one Russian plane (Yak 1) facing the German planes.
I only give them credit for the Japanese planes, Mitchell, and now unavailable Warhawk. They printed every Dauntless except for the one that actually matters the most, instead included in a third version that can easily be found on discount because it was a bad choice, so I give this a zed until corrected with a future release. The other US planes are not Pacific focused, they never reprinted the out of print Zero or Wildcat, and of course no Corsair or lightning. Bringing up the British flyers into a discussion about iconic Pacific Planes, considering the gaping holes, feels to me like filling a pothole with a balloon filled with jello.
Sorry about the derail. I just felt the need to say my piece. I feel fine with others who may disagree, just do not expect me to budge from my perspective. You can return to your regular broadcast now...
As to the EF: plus a repainted Hurricane Mk.II. And there are some official Nexus cards, like P-39s and P-40s.Quote:
Originally Posted by monse
Missed the Val from the list.
For the Eastern Front scenario I ran a couple of years ago, I ended up using a couple of Yak 1's, the Soviet Hurricane, a Zvezda DC-3 model, and a pair of AIM P-39s I painted up. The combination gave me a respectable Soviet air force for the scenario. Lavochkin La-9s would be a welcome addition, though.
Onto the topic of the thread, though, I love the Sm.79. It is a wacky looking plane that I painted to a great effect for some Malta scenarios I ran.
Perhaps they want to get the torpedo rules out there so we can bring to light any issues before the Midway release.
The SM-79 was a good torpedo bomber and quite a number of players will welcome it as an addition to the range. If it helps to work out some satisfactory torpedo bombing rules that is good. Then the only problem for the Midway expansion will be the slow speed of the American Devastator torpedo planes.
Great decision to bring Torpedo rules and a new medium bomber.
Thank you for that information, Monse!
Excellent. My father served in that theatre and frequently battled those planes when they attacked his destroyer or the convoyhe escorted.
Just saw this and I have 4 AIM SM79's but the rules would be nice and no harm having a few more planes.
I’m almost positive the Sparviero will be included with the next release of 4 medium bombers. So, that would be the Do.17, Blenheim, Sparviero, and what? B-26 Marauder is a possibility, but so are so many other aircraft....I guess we will know soon.
Being that Ares Games is an Italian company, why would anyone be surprised they are putting out an Italian bomber, that was re-roled as a torpedo bomber. It gives them the opportunity to put out torpedo rules, too.
Also not a surprise, but it was used throughout the war, in almost every theatre the Italians flew in, from the Spanish Civil war, onward.
Colour schemes could be any of the ones found here: OldGuy59's WWII Italian Bombers Album
It is unfortunate that Ares doesn't have the cash flow to put out all the planes we want. If we are looking at Italian bombers, I'm also looking for a Fiat BR.20 'Cicogna' as another target for my Battle of Britain RAF planes.
No surprise... and I'm cool with the decision. Doesn't change the fact that I'd like me some Kates and Avengers. :pray: Nothing against the "Stringbag," but I'm hoping we don't see a Swordfish before either of those two...Quote:
Originally Posted by OldGuy59
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldGuy59
I think this is great news, if only because I love the SM79 Spaviero
I hope for Avengers and Kates fot the BoM -- together with Zeros and F4F wildcats
Im 100% with youQuote:
Originally Posted by monse
We need a Stormovick and a La-7 ASAP
Hmmm . . . the elves just found a pair of S.M. 79's in the resins box, now for some cool colors . . . yikes! They found 4 new Avengers in there too! Gotta keep them more on top of the back log . . .
I'm not really interested in the SM-79, but if it get's us torp rules, I'm for it.
Karl
I don't want to start any rumors, especially with people on the BoB thread clamoring for this aircraft, but did anybody else notice on those Facebook pictures Andrea was play testing a torpedo scenario with the SM-79 and a Ju88 on the table?
Thank you Dave.
Here is what Andrea Angiolino has written :
«A Ju 88 A-4 of I.KG 77. Luftwaffe sent the unit to Italy to learn torpedo tactics.
The Ju-88 is a Zvezda model, quite poor actually, that I painted myself. The S.79 was made by me by paper. Advice: wait for official Wings of Glory minis - save mental health and get better stuff.»
So we might have ŕ SM.79 and a Ju.88 among the planes of the Torpedo serie and rules.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
Attachment 237298
Ju-88, very exciting news! This will be a great addition to everyone's hangars.
uhm... a British plane... an Italian and two Germans (Do-17 and Ju-88) ... that means 3 Axis and just one Allied... doesnt makes sence with any previous releaseQuote:
Originally Posted by monse
Andrea had asked on the Yahoo group elist for cards for both the Sm-79 and Ju.88, specifically Med units. This was for a playtest game. So we see some of the results.
Karl
Hi,
the more types of minis the better.
I have another question - why older releases are not repeated? I am new in wings of Glory, I like it very much. But I cannot buy minis from older releases.
Try to buy Mitsubishi ZERO on the market. It is a basic plane for the Pacific!
Or try to buy a Warhawk. Everywhere: New Guinea, Birma, Africa, Italy, only not in the shop:)
Every old projects must be in computers and ready to print. It is less expensive than new projects.
Now, even if somebody new would like to join the community, cannot buy some of the basic fighters. In such circumstances, will many new WoG players appear?
Today on the market, the producer must offer the large variety of minis. Not just sell one time eg. Mitsubishi ZERO and wait 10 years for the next reedition.
I like Wings of Glory and I'm really afraid, that such marketing policy will kill this system.
I just finished building the DC3 Dakota from Zviezda. Because I have no choice. I would prefer to buy Dakota from Ares, if available.
Dakota is beautiful, and was operational in WW2 EVERY PLACE in the world. Plenty of Paratrooper's scenarios. Even Japanese version existed.
Hope for more minis.
Greetings, Michal.
Here is the answer of Ares to a similar question :Quote:
Originally Posted by TataMichal
each "limited run" normally stays on the shelf at least 2 to 3 years. And it is never phased out completely, but it comes back as there is enough demand built on the market. There is no commercial war game product which is 100% compatible with products from 10 years ago like Wings does.
Producing non-random ready-to-play minis like we do - especially for a niche product like historical wargame- is not easy.
If we were producing minis the way you dream of, we would have been bankrupt years ago and the line would be dead by now.
At the moment we are focusing on completing the Battle of Britain/Mediterranean cycle with Do.17. Blenheims, Ju.88s and SM79s. To go with our Spitfires, Me.109s, Stukas, Hurricanes which we released this year. and with the Gladiators, Falcos, Bf.110s, He.111s and Beaufighters we released before that.
We will give a similar treatment to the Pacific in the future.
https://www.facebook.com/WingsOfGlor...SYHXkPcVtvM4Zg
That clarifies things. Ares is not trying to produce everything from the European theater. Rather, they will complete BoB with the next release then move on to the Pacific. In that case, it seems like the Pacific would be best represented by iconic moments rather than a single conflict. Given this clarity I will be more likely to purchase some additional European planes knowing that I will not need to slog through an endless line of them.
There are both in my album (link in post above). I have also PM'ed him with that link, and an offer to produce custom plane cards, if he needs them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jager
Thanks for the head's up, Karl.
Something I think we might be missing in the production of miniatures for this game, and our problems with lack of stock in stores.
I was at BottosCon 2017, in Vancouver in November, and there was a person there using Wings of Glory planes to play Canvas Eagles. Canvas Eagles is an aerial combat game, that is supposed to be played in 1/72nd scale, with all the models that are available for WWI planes. However, the individual didn't want to build his own planes, didn't want to store models twice the size, and by playing the smaller scale, could put more minis on the table, or play in a smaller space.
So, if we weren't having enough problems with Wings of Glory players bying squadrons of minis and repainting them to make acquisition hard enough, we have poachers from other gaming systems scooping up models, too! *Uncomplementary Titles and Labels* were muttered at the individual.
Miniature Market still has 3 B-25B's despite my best efforts to crash the market during their last sale. :D
I started WGS right before series #5 and know how hard it is track down earlier planes so despite my kicking and screaming above I know they will all end up in my hangar. Earlier tonight I drank a couple of beers then did a google search for images of SM.79's and she started looking real good... :slysmile:
There have been no reprints of WGS releases as far as I know. Have any WGF airplanes or series been reprinted?
Michal, did you check Láďa's store in Svět deskových her, Prague? He has some really old minis (not Zeros, but Vals for sure, also Martlets etc.).Quote:
Originally Posted by TataMichal
Not a systematic solution, but...it works. Sometimes.
Hi Michał,Quote:
Originally Posted by TataMichal
The solution is David Schmid's site: armamentinminiature with lots of top notch 1/200 models you look for.
I talked with Rafał about that, please PM me if you need more info and search my album with pictures of those minis painted and mounted.
Cheers,
Andrzej.
Hi Daniel, Hi Andrzej,
Daniel:
Láďa's store in "Svět deskových her", Prague - I have bought everything that Lada had in the shop in WW2. This is why Czech friends had shortage of supply Spring 2017:)
Everything older releases available too. But no one Mitsubishi ZERO. Can you imagine the Pacific battle of carriers without ZERO? :) Also no one Warhawk, green He-111. This is the basic of WW2, that should be on the market CONSTANTLY. I am worried about the system WoG. It will die, if Ares not change the approach. Now it is based on the very narrow group of fans having already older and new minis.
Imagine a young man possible new fan: "I like to fight Pacific scenarios - Zeros vs Hellcats. ??? what, not available? eee... sorry I go somewhere else."
Andrzej:
Thanks very much for your advice, I know from Rafal and I already prepared my order to AiM.;)
The idea I need to send to Ares, is that they loose the market and the new possible fans of wings of Glory WW2, when they neglect the fun's dreams.
I would prefer to buy the original products from Ares. Just give me the chance ;)
Greetings, Michal.
I completely understand your disappointment and feel your pain. Just tried to find a solution, may be not complete one, but partial.
By the way, Láďa found some spare Ki-84 in some German store. Check it.
Anyway, Ares announced that after BoB and Mediterranean Theater completation they will continue in the same way with Pacific. I think we can expect Starter Set in the same way as BoB, series of fighters / dive bombers and another set of medium bombers. It could work, we will see.
Quote:
Originally Posted by monse
I think Ares new aproach does makes sence. I'm with Scott: I'll buy a SM79 and a JU-88 at least to support the effort and help Ares to move on to the Pacific (I'm a WW1 player, I only buy WW2 minis from a collectors point of view).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokhuah
I hope some day Ares moves to the Eastern Front since I really want to have a Sturmovic and a La-7
Thanks for the clarification, monse!Quote:
Originally Posted by monse
Agreed. Knowing that there is a plan will help many of those waiting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokhuah
I like this approach far better than the previous model. I know that those new to the hobby may have to wait a long time to see the planes they want from the PTO, but at least they will be able to play a campaign in the ETO (and the Med!). In the near-ish future we'll have a stable of fighters/fighter bombers, dive bombers, heavy fighters, and medium bombers...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan-Sam
...and, assuming this model works, then we can expect the same for the PTO. I'm in!
That's not completely fair, Mike. Repurposing other game system parts for your own is almost as old as wargaming. I fully intend to use my WGS planes for CY6 sometime. And WGF for Hostile Aircraft.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldGuy59
The truth is that we love a game made by a small company that has limited cash reserves to use for new production runs.
I am a bit miffed that the new scheme seems to cut out the WGS Series 7 release; planes are great to get, but new maneuver decks are gold for me.
Karl