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Marechallannes
09-28-2011, 06:58
I'am very interested in the WW II Mediteranean scenario. That's the reason why I plan to buy a few Italian planes.

That's a Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2 version I want to see: "The yellow 14"

http://static.twoday.net/FLYINGART/images/HA-1112-K1L-Gelbe14-Der-Stern-von-Afrika-.jpg

Hans-Joachim Marseille, the Stern von Afrika.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rpi2VYlwYCc/S9_CeRc3cxI/AAAAAAAAEOg/6X0C3ztTqYg/s1600/Hans-Joachim_Marseille.jpg

Marseille with shot down "Hurricane"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-440-1313-07%2C_H._J._Marseille_mit_abgeschossener_%22Hurricane%22.jpg

I don't know much about his allied opponents - do you?:confused:

Max Headroom
09-28-2011, 15:27
This willhelp till you get your mini:
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23840&d=1317248688

Marechallannes
09-28-2011, 16:39
This one looks great! :eek:

Added more firepower to represent the ability of this pilot. Good idea.

Thank you!:clap:




Think it's time or my first own repaint...

Max Headroom
09-28-2011, 19:04
Actually, I didn't think I had added more firepower. My only references are google... Maybe not a good idea. What is the armament of the G-2?

Marechallannes
09-28-2011, 19:26
C for the complete distance.

C+C+A for half the distance.


one 20-mm-MG151/20

two 7,92-mm-MG17

Think you can compare it to the BF 109 E or the japanese Zero.

csadn
09-29-2011, 14:04
C for the complete distance.
C+C+A for half the distance.
one 20-mm-MG151/20
two 7,92-mm-MG17
Think you can compare it to the BF 109 E or the japanese Zero.

German cannons are oversubscribed; their accuracy, esp. with the Minenwerfer-A shell (I think that was the name), beyond about 70 yards was abysmal. They worked against big, slow-moving targets like bombers; against fighters, less so (it's nice if one can take out a foe with one hit -- but first one must *get* the hit).

Marechallannes
10-01-2011, 02:54
Added a red tail and changed the armament to standart Bf 109 G.

Marechallannes
10-01-2011, 03:17
Thanks to your File Section Headroom, I designed a backside for this Bf 109 african version.

Nightbomber
10-01-2011, 03:35
Sven! The card is great! BTW I know something abut his allied opponents and his achievements...
He was the fastest scoring ace of the war; one day he shot down six P-40's in 11 minutes.

Marechallannes
10-01-2011, 05:37
A worthy match for the upcoming P40 Warhawks.;)

Think I'll by another Messerschmitt Bf 109, maybe Mölders or Galland and make my first repaint on my own.

Got to add a little piece of plastic for the aditional sand filter of this version.:fixit:

Max Headroom
10-02-2011, 16:31
I notice your picture of Marseille's plane at top has a red tail... I missed that when I googled the airplane and hence on my card. Did he paint it red at one time, as there seems to be a majority of images without the red tail?
You've got the armament a little wrong... The C should only for one for the single 20mm and two 7.9mm = one A damage. At long range the C is halved to B and the A remains.
I've edited the card in my album.

Marechallannes
10-02-2011, 20:36
C at full range and C+C+A for half the distance is the normal damage for the Messerschmitt Bf 109 F3 and Bf 109 F4 from the "Deluxe Version" and the miniatures of series 1.

2 x 7,9 mm MG 17 (über dem Motor)
1 x MG FF/M (durch die Propellernabe schießend)

Took the damage of these versions and added an "A" damage on full range for Marseilles shooting ability...;)

Thanks for your aid!

csadn
10-02-2011, 20:54
Took the damage of these versions and added an "A" damage on full range for Marseilles shooting ability...

What "shooting ability"? From everything I've read, his "accuracy" came from closing to point-blank before opening fire.

bsmith13
10-02-2011, 21:01
What "shooting ability"? From everything I've read, his "accuracy" came from closing to point-blank before opening fire.

I thought I had read something about him being insanely good at deflection shooting, but I might have him confused with someone else. I'll check my books and see if I can find a reference...

Max Headroom
10-02-2011, 23:12
Re. Stats. That's odd, 'cause I've been using the following system for rating all my customs and checking official cards it confirms:
1-2 x 7.92mm = A
1 x 12.7mm = A
4 x 7.92mm = B
2 x 12.7mm = B
1 x 20mm = C
1 x 30mm = D
I know the Bf 109 E's had 20mm cannons in the wings, but the F's had lighter armament unless they were fitted with underwing cannons.
Are you sure your deluxe set has F series 109's or is it a misprint?

Marechallannes
10-03-2011, 04:49
Ohh...:eek:

I've got 3 Messerschmitt E-3 (Pankratz, Balthasar and Mölders) and 1 Messerschmitt E - 4 (Galland) with C and C+C+A

Ok, that is

2 x 7,9 mm MG 17 (über dem Motor)
2 x 20 mm MG FF (je eines in jeder Tragfläche)

for E-3 and E-4.

Only

2 x 7,9 mm MG 17 (über dem Motor)
1 x MG FF/M (durch die Propellernabe schießend)

for G-2.

Himmel, you are right Headroom! :surrender:

Maybe Lt. Marseille need his own maneuver deck. The Bf 109 G-2 is a litte bit faster. (about 50 km/h max. Speed)

Will use your card now...:thumbsup:

Max Headroom
10-03-2011, 15:17
I was reading there were some complaints amongst the german pilots of the lack of armament on the F series and yes, the G series is faster which is why the card is actually 72mm high (as are all my custom cards that have a top speed higher than 600kmh) rather than the standard 67mm high.
I'll update the card here with red tail.

Max Headroom
10-03-2011, 16:15
O.k. Here we go... This should be the final product:
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24239&d=1317715341

csadn
10-03-2011, 17:39
I thought I had read something about him being insanely good at deflection shooting, but I might have him confused with someone else. I'll check my books and see if I can find a reference...

That was part of it; but there was also the fact he engaged from such close range that, while he rarely if ever took bullet hits from foes, he'd come home with bits of opponents' acft. stuck in his. (I've heard the theory espoused that a chunk of enemy acft. might have resulted in the in-flight fire which resulted in his death, but I don't believe it myself.)

Marechallannes
10-03-2011, 22:54
H-J Marseille died in an accident.

He was knocked out by the tail unit of his plane while bailing out.

Cause of this blackout, he wasn't able to open the parachute.

csadn
10-04-2011, 16:37
H-J Marseille died in an accident.

I know -- however, there's a theory which says the inflight fire which prompted him to bail was the result of a piece of enemy acft. rattling around inside his plane and hitting something important. There's doubt about it, tho', as Marseille didn't engage the enemy on that flight (a variant claims the damage occurred on a previous flight, and was improperly repaired).