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Watchdog
07-31-2011, 05:06
This campaign takes place over the "forgotten front" in Italy, during the summer of 1918. The sides are the squadrons of the British Expeditionary Force in Italy, squadriliglias of the Italian Regio Esercito and the Fliegerkompanies of the Austro-Hungarian Kaiserliche und Königliche Luftfahrtruppen.

This linear campaign has 5 missions.

As the base I used the missions listed in the official rules, but with some changes. Mission 4 was originally a mission created ad hoc during one gaming session.

PDF file with the rules is in the Files section (version 1.2):
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=873

Note: This is my first attempt to create a WoW campaign, aiming at one that can easily be played over one weekend. It may need some serious playtesting before it is refined and polished. I am going to add some fluff text to the missions.

I used Happy's Points Value System from this file to determine aircraft points values (we do not play with altitude yet, hence the lower points cost - another thing I have to add there):
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=735

Have fun.:salute:

C&C most welcome.

Attila57
08-01-2011, 00:47
Well done Jan! :thumbsup:

Attilio

greenalfonzo
08-01-2011, 14:39
Thank you for posting this. The Italian front has been a special interest of mine since I read a novel called "A Soldier of the Great War" by Mark Helprin some years back. Hopefully we'll see some more Italian and Austrian planes in the miniatures line some day!

Flying Officer Kyte
08-02-2011, 00:52
Just starting to develop my Italian Front aircraft, and reading Italian Aces at the moment, so this is very well timed as far as I am concerned.
Thanks Jan.
Rob.

Nipotra Paul
08-03-2011, 04:24
This campaign takes place over the "forgotten front" in Italy, during the summer of 1918. The sides are the squadrons of the British Expeditionary Force in Italy (aided by the SPAD XIII's of the Italian Air Service) and the Fliegerkompanies of the Austro-Hungarian Kaiserliche und Königliche Luftfahrtruppen.

This linear campaign has 5 missions.

As the base I used the missions listed in the official rules, but with some changes. Mission 4 was originally a mission created ad hoc during one gaming session.

PDF file with the rules is in the Files section:
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=873

Note: This is my first attempt to create a WoW campaign, aiming at one that can easily be played over one weekend. It may need some serious playtesting before it is refined and polished. I am going to add some fluff text to the missions and give a specific mention to the Italians.

I used Happy's Points Value System from this file to determine aircraft points values (we do not play with altitude yet, hence the lower points cost - another thing I have to add there):
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=735

Have fun.:salute:

C&C most welcome.

The English expedition against the Austrians. Why?:confused: The Austrians are afraid to affrontre the 91^squadron ( Baracca-Ruffo di Calabria),76^squadron (Scaroni) or 81^ squadron(Baracchini)?:guns:
Paolo

Watchdog
08-03-2011, 05:56
The English expedition against the Austrians. Why?:confused: The Austrians are afraid to affrontre the 91^squadron ( Baracca-Ruffo di Calabria),76^squadron (Scaroni) or 81^ squadron(Baracchini)?:guns:
Paolo

Because I did not know which units to mention on the Italian side.:p And I prefer fictional pilots, not the aces, to fly the machines.

The SPAD XIII's will clearly be listed as Italian, since the British did not fly them. I am working on a new version of the campaign file. The squadron numbers are really useful for the fluff text I am preparing, thank you.:thumbsup:

Flying Officer Kyte
08-03-2011, 12:06
The English expedition against the Austrians. Why?:confused: The Austrians are afraid to affrontre the 91^squadron ( Baracca-Ruffo di Calabria),76^squadron (Scaroni) or 81^ squadron(Baracchini)?:guns:
Paolo

Funny you should mention that Paolo. I was just going to substitute my Italian planes for Brits. Must get that Caproni.
Rob.

Attila57
08-03-2011, 12:15
I was just going to substitute my Italian planes for Brits

Rob,

DON'T TRY IT!! :boxing:

;)

Attilio

Flying Officer Kyte
08-03-2011, 12:33
Rob,

DON'T TRY IT!! :boxing:

;)

Attilio

No Attilio,I would not insult my Italian friends thus.:fixit: I mean where Jan had Brit planes, I was going to use my Italian Spads, Macchi, and Ansaldo to escort a Caproni, not to repaint my Italian planes.
Rob.

Attila57
08-03-2011, 12:53
It was a joke, Rob!! :thumbsup:

Flying Officer Kyte
08-03-2011, 13:00
It was a joke, Rob!! :thumbsup:

Got me going there old chap. I really thought you had missed my meaning.:dazed:
Rob.:clap:

Attila57
08-03-2011, 21:30
Rob,

are you kidding? :confused:You have always shown a great esteem for the Italian players as well as to me And you also know well the history of aviation Moloto War mondiale. I couldn't misunderstand your meanig. ;);)

British wingmen helped us on Piave front but, as you can understand, we have our aces ... So I had to undeline the big mistake that you were about to commit!!! :mad::lol::lol::lol:


Plese help together Jan with suggestion and comment to design his first attempt of campaign :thumbsup:
He chose the Italian front and is often difficult to collect information with respect to the Western Front

:salute:

Attilio

Watchdog
08-08-2011, 13:02
I have an updated version ready, but I am not sure how to proceed. Shall I delete the old file and upload a new one? Or is there a way to replace the outdated file? Any advice would be appreciated.:)

As for the changes made, I decided to tweak the aircraft selection a bit - now the players can choose from a much wider selection of aircraft, although many of those only have a card, not a mini, available.

The Austro-Hungarians, British and Italian all have a list of appropriate types now. I also cleared a few things about deployment.

I am yet to add the fluff sections.

itchy
08-10-2011, 11:11
Any news on the updated PDF yet Jan ?

Watchdog
08-10-2011, 11:16
I still do not know how to proceeed with the update uploading.

I think I will delete the old version and upload a new one.

Beanie
08-10-2011, 11:17
I look forward to it - thanks for sharing it with us

Watchdog
08-10-2011, 11:59
Updated to version 1.1.

I added more aircraft available for both sides, according to the information I managed to gather on the internet and the existing cards/minis. I also made some clarification of the rules.

The Entente player may now combine British and Italian aircraft, but only one of each cathegory - a British two-seater can be escorted by an Italian scout and vice versa.

itchy
08-10-2011, 18:09
Thanks Jan ,downloaded the new version looks good.

Watchdog
12-13-2011, 11:02
I updated the file to version 1.2:

I added the German Luftstreitskräfte to the Central Powers with Halberstadt D.III, Albatros D.III, Albatros D.Va and Roland C.II as available aircraft, since those were flown by the units sent to Italy between September 1917 and March 1918. This should add some more variation to the campaign. I also made some minor changes to wording for better clarity.

Attila57
12-13-2011, 11:32
Nice!

Attilio

Flying Officer Kyte
12-13-2011, 12:31
Got a copy myself thanks Jan. All I need now are points values for my Macchi and Ansaldo.
Rob.

Watchdog
12-13-2011, 12:47
Got a copy myself thanks Jan. All I need now are points values for my Macchi and Ansaldo.
Rob.

Thanks for the rep. points, Rob, I am glad you like the campaign.:)

I am thinking about adding some heavy bomber missions to the campaign too, but my time is severly limited. Today's update was actually born in prison today, where I spent several hours just sitting in a cell with one of our investigators and a certain fellow, who was reading a criminal case file we are about to close, where he stars in one of the main roles. :cheezy:

Pity there are no official seaplanes and flying boats, I have some ideas about a naval themed air campaign from the Italian front.

As for the Macchi and Ansaldo planes, just give me their ingame stats and I can tell you the points values.;)

john snelling
12-13-2011, 19:27
As for fighter units, Germans had 3 Jastas in italy from Sep/Oct 1917 to Feb 1918, namely, Jastas 1, 31 and 39. Jasta 1 were equppied with Albatross D.V. Jasta 31 had Albatross D.III and D.V. Jasta 39 had the Albatross D.III. I cannot find any information that the fore mentioned Jasta's brought any Halberstadt D.III with them. Checking British and Italian claims no Halberstadts were shot down during that time period in Italy or Austria.

Zoe Brain
12-13-2011, 19:38
Hopefully we'll see some more Italian and Austrian planes in the miniatures line some day!
Shapeways now has the Aviatik D.I, the Hansa-Brandenburg D.I, the Oeffag D.III 153 (without cowl), the Hansa-Brandenburg C.I, the Hanriot HD.I, Nieuport 11, Nieuport 16, Nieuport 17, Spad VII, so that's a good start - as long as you don't mind painting and decalling them yourself. Otherwise it's just a few UFAGs, a Caproni Ca3, and an Albatros D.III flown by Brunowski.

john snelling
12-13-2011, 19:44
The English expedition against the Austrians. Why?:confused: The Austrians are afraid to affrontre the 91^squadron ( Baracca-Ruffo di Calabria),76^squadron (Scaroni) or 81^ squadron(Baracchini)?:guns:
Paolo

Diffently not! During the 12th Battle of Isonzo the Austro-Hungarian 14th Army (heavily reinforced by Germans and led by Gen. Otto von Below) using poison gas and smoke shells threw the Italian defence into total confusion and was thrown back losing 40,000 dead and wounded, 275,000 prisoners and 2,500 guns. The Germans and A-H lost only 20,000 men. In reaction the British and French reinforced the Italians to prevent any more damage. The British reinforcements included Squadrons 28, 45 and 66 all with Camels and 2 squadrons of RE.8's, later the 139th was formed with Bristol F.2Bs. The future great ace William Barker was among those sent.

Watchdog
12-13-2011, 21:21
As for fighter units, Germans had 3 Jastas in italy from Sep/Oct 1917 to Feb 1918, namely, Jastas 1, 31 and 39. Jasta 1 were equppied with Albatross D.V. Jasta 31 had Albatross D.III and D.V. Jasta 39 had the Albatross D.III. I cannot find any information that the fore mentioned Jasta's brought any Halberstadt D.III with them. Checking British and Italian claims no Halberstadts were shot down during that time period in Italy or Austria.

Germans sent more units than just the three Jastas to Italy. I found some info on the units and some info about the planes known to be flown by the units:

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?6393-Jastas-sent-to-A-H&p=93261&viewfull=1#post93261

The fact that no Jasta 1 Halberstadt D.III was shot down does not mean there had not been any in Italy. :)

I am willing to correct the list of available planes, but finding reliable sources is difficult.

Flying Officer Kyte
12-14-2011, 07:37
The stats that the chaps have furnished me with Jan are := Ansaldo B A 15 Ceiling 14 Climb 2 and for the Macchi M5 J A 14 Ceiling 14 Climb 3.
Rob.

Watchdog
12-14-2011, 08:10
The stats that the chaps have furnished me with Jan are := Ansaldo B A 15 Ceiling 14 Climb 2 and for the Macchi M5 J A 14 Ceiling 14 Climb 3.
Rob.

Rob, I am not using altitude rules for the aircraft points cost (I do not think anyone around here uses altitude rules), the other stats are same as existing planes in the campaign, i.e.:
Ansaldo = Albatros D.Va (16 points)
Macchi = Albatros D.III (14 points)

john snelling
12-14-2011, 08:43
Germans sent more units than just the three Jastas to Italy. I found some info on the units and some info about the planes known to be flown by the units:



The fact that no Jasta 1 Halberstadt D.III was shot down does not mean there had not been any in Italy. :)

I am willing to correct the list of available planes, but finding reliable sources is difficult.

I think you are misunderstanding my post. I'm very interested about the Italian front and would like more information about the German involvement on the Italian Front. What other Jasta's (other than 1, 31, and 39) were sent and what were the dates? I have been trying to research this information for about a year now and only came up with those three. I was trying to explain that not only did I've gone through the internet, read books, looked at photo's and researched and recorded British, French and Italian victories on the Italian front I have not seen or read that any Halberstadts D.III were used by the Germans or A-H on the Italian Front. Apparently you have suceeded where I have failed. I did not mean to offend you in any way and if I did please accept my apology.

Flying Officer Kyte
12-14-2011, 12:27
Rob, I am not using altitude rules for the aircraft points cost (I do not think anyone around here uses altitude rules), the other stats are same as existing planes in the campaign, i.e.:
Ansaldo = Albatros D.Va (16 points)
Macchi = Albatros D.III (14 points)

Thanks Jan. As long as it is in line with the rest of your list, that will be just fine.I did not want to skew the game by making up my own.
Rob.

Watchdog
12-14-2011, 15:45
I think you are misunderstanding my post. I'm very interested about the Italian front and would like more information about the German involvement on the Italian Front. What other Jasta's (other than 1, 31, and 39) were sent and what were the dates? I have been trying to research this information for about a year now and only came up with those three. I was trying to explain that not only did I've gone through the internet, read books, looked at photo's and researched and recorded British, French and Italian victories on the Italian front I have not seen or read that any Halberstadts D.III were used by the Germans or A-H on the Italian Front. Apparently you have suceeded where I have failed. I did not mean to offend you in any way and if I did please accept my apology.

John, if you follow my link there to your own thread, you will see in my linked reply that more units than just Jagdstaffeln were sent to Italy, that is different units than just fighter ("hunter") squadrons. There were observation planes too and most probably bombers too.

As for the Halberstads, Jasta 1 was known to use them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdstaffel_1), so I presume they took some to Italy too. The A-H definitely used them too, there is an official Austrian Halberstadt D.III card in Watch Your Back boxed set.

I am not against removing them from the campaign, but I cannot find any reliable source listing the aircraft used specifically in Italy, only those flown by the Jastas.

john snelling
12-14-2011, 18:28
John, if you follow my link there to your own thread, you will see in my linked reply that more units than just Jagdstaffeln were sent to Italy, that is different units than just fighter ("hunter") squadrons. There were observation planes too and most probably bombers too.

As for the Halberstads, Jasta 1 was known to use them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdstaffel_1), so I presume they took some to Italy too. The A-H definitely used them too, there is an official Austrian Halberstadt D.III card in Watch Your Back boxed set.

I am not against removing them from the campaign, but I cannot find any reliable source listing the aircraft used specifically in Italy, only those flown by the Jastas.

I guess that means you did not accept my apology. I was just trying to help you out. It's funny that "Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of World War One" 563pgs which covers A-H aircraft ( including ones bought from Germany, prototypes, manufactured and captured aircraft) or A-H Aces of WW1 Osprey, or Air aces of the A-H Empire 1914 to 1918 Flying Machines Press do not mention Halberstadt D.III). I wonder were Nexus got their info. If you notice no FLIK or pilot was mentioned! Angiolillo help us out here!!!

The following German units reached the Italian front in late 1917:
- artillery observation units: Fl.Abt. 2, 14 and 17
- reconnaissance units: Fl.Abt. 204, 219 and 232
- fighter units: 1, 31 and 39
- bombing units: kampfgeschwader 4 with A.E.G. G-IV bombers
There were other units sent there too, including:
Some say they probaly were equipped with: •Roland C.II, •Albatros C. III, later C.V & C.II, •later Hannover CL types.

Let's take a look on what type of German aircraft that were shot down on the Italian Front. Non fighter only: AEG C x 2, DFW C.V x 13, AEG G.IV x 1, LVG x 4 this gives us some idea what aircraft the Germans deployed.

I would add Hansa-Brandenburg D.I to the A-H list.

Lets take a look at the Halberstadt D.III:
The Halberstadt D.III primarily differed from the D.II version in its substitution of the Argus As.II 90 kW (120 hp) straight-six engine, which differed from the usual Mercedes D.II powerplant in having its camshaft in the engine block, and using pushrods to operate the overhead valves, rather than having a camshaft running atop all of the cylinders as in a single overhead cam engine. A total of 50 D.III examples were built by Halberstadt, with the first 30 ordered in July 1916, and the last 20 ordered in August 1916.
Jasta 1 was equipped with them in 1916. In May 1916 some were assigned to flying schools as trainers. By the end of 1916 the Halberstadt D.II and D.III had become obsolescent and were largely withdrawn from active service or relegated to quieter sectors. However, while on operations they were able machines and were respected by their Allied adversaries.

Like I said if you can provide any more info on the Halberstadt in Italy please let me know. I have hundreds of pages of data on A-H aircraft and Fliks and this is a new one on me. Please do not take this adversely I'm just trying to add to my data base. Noted authors and so called experts have been wrong before. I was taught Pluto was a planet and some experts believe crop circles are formed by UFO's.

If you need any info on A-H or Italian aircraft I'll do my best to help.

Watchdog
12-14-2011, 23:40
John, no offense meant, therefore none taken, so no need for an apology.:salute:

I have to to go to work now, but I will reply later.

Watchdog
12-15-2011, 11:27
Alright, I am back.

John, I only have the information available on the internet so I added Halberstadt D.III to the available German planes. If you are certain that they could not have been flown in Italy by Germans, I should remove them from the German options in the campaign in the next update.

As for A-H Halberstadts or any other airplanes, I made all official airplanes flown by K. u K. Luftfahrtruppen available to give a variety to the Central Powers player.

If you have information on any other airplanes I should make available/unavailable for any side that have an official miniature or a card, please, let me know.

I am aware of the fact that some of the airplanes might not have been flown in Q1 of 1918 in Italy due to being obsolete by that time, but I am thinking of widening the campaign a bit in the future and make it last for the whole war.

And last but no least - I appreciate your efforts and advice. :)

Nevertheless, what I need the most now is some playtesting and feedback. *hint*hint*hint*

john snelling
12-15-2011, 16:35
Your welcome. I have recently added "Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of World War One" to my library. There is no sense of having books and data if your not willing to share it. You also shared with me the Halberstadt card thank you and I'm sorry I could not find out any more info for you on that type of plane. Right now my gaming table is full of Taiping Rebellion stuff. As soon as that game is over I'll play some of scenarios. If you find out any more info on the German aircraft sent to A-H please share it with me. Thanks.

Von Schlepp
01-01-2012, 21:51
Guys, this mini campaign is right on time. The Calgary Flight has most of the aircraft needed already. Shapeways can take care of the rest!
Even if Grumpy bear and I space it out ourselves during mid week game nights. As stated above I too have a huge interest in the Italian front.

-V.S.

Watchdog
02-21-2012, 10:26
Just to keep you guys informed - I am working on another version of the campaign, this time with added balloon busting mission, a special mobile ground target bombing mission and a three-round mission with heavy bombers, which means as many as 8 missions in total!

I am now reworking the score system and making changes to the available aircraft.