Zeppelin Model!!!

[LazyEyedPsycho]

It's even the proper scale! :D Big $$$ though :(

Here's the link too...

http://airalex.homestead.com/ZEPPELIN.html

Admin edit And some pics...

http://airalex.homestead.com/files/zeppelin_7.jpg

http://airalex.homestead.com/files/naval_zeppelin_1.jpg

http://airalex.homestead.com/files/naval_zeppelin_2.jpg

http://airalex.homestead.com/files/zeppelin_gunners.jpg

http://airalex.homestead.com/files/naval_zeppelin_8.jpg

[Evzone]

Now that is impressive!

[Oberst Hajj]

That is impressive!

[Zeppelin]

Awesome!!!

[LazyEyedPsycho]

Not sure about the paint job though... Camouflaging the bottom seems like a bad idea. Blu/white would have been more effective me thinks ;).

[Oberst Hajj]

Yeah, the Germans were not to worried about concealing them selves in WWI. lol

[squiggie]

Just to let everyone know, went to a show today and saw the new zepplin model fron skytrex. It is a bit smaller than the one listed but is much cheaper at £195. Looks good.

[bsmith13]

That is COOL! I'm starting to think that I might need a zeppelin.

[usmc1855]

Just to let everyone know, went to a show today and saw the new zepplin model fron skytrex. It is a bit smaller than the one listed but is much cheaper at £195. Looks good.

Nothing on the Sktrex web site about any Zeppelin models. Do you have any other info?

[aarondpjames]

It's even the proper scale!

I think I'm gonna nead a bigger table?

[Druid_ian]

Just to let everyone know, went to a show today and saw the new zepplin model fron skytrex. It is a bit smaller than the one listed but is much cheaper at £195. Looks good.

Guess you went to Fiasco as well

bought one of the Drachens from skytrex though

[squiggie]

The zepplin from Skytrex is not on their site yet as is new release. If you
e-mail skytrex I am sure they wil provide more info.


Yes it was fiasco, by the way Ian where you based?

[Druid_ian]

The zepplin from Skytrex is not on their site yet as is new release. If you
e-mail skytrex I am sure they wil provide more info.


Yes it was fiasco, by the way Ian where you based?

i am over the Pennines in sunny Preston there is not a big Wings of War following here but have had a few games

Ian

[usmc1855]

The zepplin from Skytrex is not on their site yet as is new release. If you
e-mail skytrex I am sure they wil provide more info.


Yes it was fiasco, by the way Ian where you based?

I did, and have received a response with a picture. It does look good. I have responded back to Sktrex and asked if they would allow me to post the ad they sent me to these forums, so everyone else who is interested could see what they are are offering.

[Druid_ian]

I did, and have received a response with a picture. It does look good. I have responded back to Sktrex and asked if they would allow me to post the ad they sent me to these forums, so everyone else who is interested could see what they are are offering.

Sounds good what did you think of it


Ian

[usmc1855]

Sounds good what did you think of it


Ian

I think well enough of it, that I'll make one a Christmas gift to myself! :)

Comparing the pictures of the Hippo produced model, and the picture sent to me by Skytrex.... looking closely at each, it appears that you do get what you pay for, and the Hippo model has many finer details that the Skytrex Zeppelin does not. But.... given what we will use them for, and the cost difference, I think I'd be very pleased to have the Skytrex Zeppelin on the table with hoards of allied planes swarming around it.

[Druid_ian]

I think well enough of it, that I'll make one a Christmas gift to myself! :)

Comparing the pictures of the Hippo produced model, and the picture sent to me by Skytrex.... looking closely at each, it appears that you do get what you pay for, and the Hippo model has many finer details that the Skytrex Zeppelin does not. But.... given what we will use them for, and the cost difference, I think I'd be very pleased to have the Skytrex Zeppelin on the table with hoards of allied planes swarming around it.

hmm well if you feel like buying two and sending one to me as a gift i would be very greatful :D

[usmc1855]

When I hit the lottery...... :D


Now for some serious issues with playing with a Zeppelin as a target.

Damage, armaments and firing arcs of it's defensive weapons.

In modern engineering I could see how the Zeppelin could have distinct compartments which, if one were to be ignited, or deflated of it's gas, the other adjacent compartments could potentially survive without having sympathetic detonations, or could compensate for the loss of a certain number of 'cells' or compartments before the whole Zeppellin would lose the ability to do a controlled descent.

Are there any folks out there who could shed some light on this?

How would you design the Zeppelin as a legitimate aircraft in Wing of War?

[Oberst Hajj]

With out trying to be to realistic and just thinking of it in game terms, here is what I would do.

I would break the Zep down into three sections, front, middle and rear. Maybe make slight marks on the Zep to tell where these are at during the games. Assign each section a certain amount of damage points. I think a good starting point would be 45 points per section. An explosion card would only destroy the section that was shot at. Once two of the three sections are destroyed, the Zep is destroyed.

For armament, the first question is, does it have guns top and bottom?

[Pooh]

My recollection from somewhere is that airships were very resilient to having holes poked in them. However they were very vulnerable to fire (if hydrogen filled) and having their trim upset. In game terms I guess that would mean that any fire in the gas bags is fatal to the whole thing. The zepplin could take a lot bullet damage but if any section collapsed, the zepplin would go down.

Pooh

[Stoff]

Hi Guys, about a zeppelin's armament, I think it depends on which type you are asking about. I am currently scratch building a model of the Type "P", which was the most common type built. The standard armament for the Type "P" was 3 MGs in top side forward position, 2 MGs in each gondola (one on each side) and optionally on in the rear topside. There are a several very good books and web pages out there about WWI era zeps. I will be glad to put together a list if folks would like to work their way through them.

Christoph

[Oberst Hajj]

Christoph, a shot list would be very helpful to us. Thanks!

[usmc1855]

Hi Guys, about a zeppelin's armament, I think it depends on which type you are asking about. I am currently scratch building a model of the Type "P", which was the most common type built. The standard armament for the Type "P" was 3 MGs in top side forward position, 2 MGs in each gondola (one on each side) and optionally on in the rear topside. There are a several very good books and web pages out there about WWI era zeps. I will be glad to put together a list if folks would like to work their way through them.

Christoph

Please do put together a list for us.

Thanks

[Stoff]

OK will do. I will look through what I hve and post it.

Christoph

[Stoff]

Here goes:

ZEPPELIN Vol.1, Ray Rimell, Albatros Productions, Ltd., 2006, ISBN 94814-87-4
ZEPPELIN Vol.2, Ray Rimell, Albatros Productions, Ltd., 2008, ISBN 94814-88-2
The Zeppelin in Combat History of the German Naval Airship Division, 1912-18,
Douglas H. Robinson, Schiffer Publishing, Ltd., 1994, ISBN 9780887405105
Zeppelin Rigid Airships, Peter W. Brooks, Smithsonian Institution Press, 1992,
ISBN 1-56098-228-4
Zeppelins: German Airships 1900-40, New Vangaurd 101, Charles Stephenson,
Osprey Publishing, 2004, ISBN 1-84176-692-5

Just a few, I hope you guys find them as useful as I did.

Christoph

[The Blue Baron]

Thanks a lot, Christoph!

[usmc1855]

I have received the following pictures from the sales folks at Skytrex.

[Oberst Hajj]

That looks pretty good... plain, but good.

With only those 3 MGs up front, it would need a lot of fighter escort or it would be to easy to shoot down... guess that is why the flew at night at very high altitudes during the war ;)

[usmc1855]

From what little I have found, this 'P' model was inaugurated in 1915, and flew throughout the war, but was replaced with later models starting in early 1917, with greater speeds, a few more weapons , and higher ceilings.

This offering from Skytrex may be a good representation for 1915-through the winter/spring of 1916/17 of the Zeppelin threat.

In WoW terms, using planes from this period would be a good match.

Comparing this to the Hippo ofering... yes... there is a difference in the amount of detail.. but... there is also a difference in cost.. and availability. So far, I haven't found any distributors that have the Hippo model on-hand. Not in the U.S . or overseas.

[Oberst Hajj]

Very true, and maybe a better paint job would really help it out.

[Pooh]

In my recent trip to the Tillamook Air Museum, I saw a model of the USS Macon that looked to be about 1/144 scale. It even had 2 of those little parasite fighters buzzing about it. Somewhat bigger than the WW1 Zepplins being discussed, the model was about 5 1/2 feet long.

BTW: I may be making a return trip this week with friends who have cameras. If so, I'll get pictures.

Pooh

[Poliorketes]

Heavens! I love it!

[bumblie3]

There is a card model kit of 1/200 scale Zepplin L48 for 5.50 Euro at this site http://www.airship-model.com/Shop/index.html
John

PS on one screen it is shown as1/200 scale but on another it is quoted as 1/400.
John

[Kaledor]

The Hippo model is NOT made anymore... but a good find if you can find one. :)

Cheers,
Ed

[Mike White]

I have my own Zeppelin. It is a conversion from a plastic kit made by an American Firm called J. Lloyd. It gives no scale but it is nearly 1 metre long so must be almost 1:144. When I first saw it the kit was £70. I got it in a sale for £35. A bargain!!. The kits is actually of the 1920s Graf Zeppelin so it needed some conversion work. It is still not a perfect WW1 Zeppelin but is pretty d****ed close. I like it!

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[crashx]

Wooo weeee!!!! That's a big boy. That will take some time to bring down. Bring friends. All of them!!!

[Walter Nowotny]

I wonder how hard it would be to convert a 19" Graf Zepplin model to get a similar result.

[Mike White]

At last. I've advanced technically enough to load a photo!
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[Walter Nowotny]

Wow! That is a beauty. I bet you need a big game board to play that one. Is that a converted model or a kit? I have the 19" Graf Zeppelin model from the Zeppelin Museum in Germany. I don't know what scale it is but I know it is way smaller than 1/144. I figured I could convert to a WWI model and just deal with the size for the games sake. I think at 19 inches it would be a scale 228 feet.

[Mike White]

See my earlier post for details but it is a bit of a b***er to game with because of its size. Nonetheless it has had a few outings when the floor of the club (or all the tables) have been used!! It is undoubtedly worth owning, just for the visual impact!

[Walter Nowotny]

I agree, it is stunning. I think I may have a go at the one I have, maybe making a smaller size. I think the smallest WWI Zeppelin was 385 feet which would be about 4 3/4 longer than the one I have to work with. hmmmm

[Lt. S.Kafloc]

Have a look at finale Doncaster 2015. We had 3 X 1/144 scale Zeppelins and a Staaken on the table.

[Mike White]

Now that is going some!!

[Burtrum]

I always liked this Zeppelin, pity the company doesn't make them anymore.

[clipper1801]

I still have a few of my versions tucked into the closet . . . check my Clipper's List thread on the For Sale of Trade section . . .

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/144%20zep/20160429_222838_zpsfupwre4l.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/144%20zep/20160429_222838_zpsfupwre4l.jpg.html)

[Burtrum]

Are these the Hippo Models Zepps ? or the Airelex ones ?

[clipper1801]

Are these the Hippo Models Zepps ? or the Airelex ones ?

Neither, they are my creations, over the years here my elves and I have constructed and sent over a hundred all around the world, almost as many to England than the Germans in WWI : ) Check my threads for details, there are several build threads on this site . . .