Avenger Maneuver Deck?

[THECCRICH]

Thank you for your help,


I know the drome has likely covered this before; but what maneuver deck would be assigned to the Grumman TBF Avenger?

Is a thread out there discussing the topic already?

I think I want to put together 5 Shapeways Avengers in the Lost Squadron Flight 19 scheme.


Thank you for your ideas,
Chris

[Jager]

Deck K* (no reversals), 21 hits, climb 5
ceiling is 5 for the TBF-1 and 1C, 8 for the TBF-3.
Forward guns is either A/A for early models, or B/A for later ones.
Ventral gun is A/A rear arc, low only.
The dorsal turret had some discussion: Note that all tail blind spot rules are in effect:
Dorsal turret: 3:00 to 9:00, low(long range only) to high
2:00 to 10:00, level to high
360 high ; A/A;

Yes, there is overlap, but this was the best way to describe it.
Karl

[THECCRICH]

Deck K* (no reversals), 21 hits, climb 5
ceiling is 5 for the TBF-1 and 1C, 8 for the TBF-3.
Forward guns is either A/A for early models, or B/A for later ones.
Ventral gun is A/A rear arc, low only.
The dorsal turret had some discussion: Note that all tail blind spot rules are in effect:
Dorsal turret: 3:00 to 9:00, low(long range only) to high
2:00 to 10:00, level to high
360 high ; A/A;

Yes, there is overlap, but this was the best way to describe it.
Karl

Well... That settles that...
Thank you Karl :)

Chris

[Teaticket]

Not to knock the Shapeways designers but if you don't already have them, AIM has a very nice Avenger.

[Jager]

Not to knock the Shapeways designers but if you don't already have them, AIM has a very nice Avenger.

Probably cheaper too.
Karl

[Teaticket]

Probably cheaper too.
Karl

Definitely.

[THECCRICH]

That is good information. I'll check them out.

Thank you,
Chris

[OldGuy59]

Possible Avenger card?

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[Edit: Single-gunned turret now indicated, and ventral range adjusted.]

We could put yellow areas on the Dorsal arc to indicate deflection (below altitude), just like the dark area at the back for the blind spot?

[Jager]

Mike;
Would it be too confusing to put an inner yellow curve just inside (maybe touching) the dorsal arc to show the lower shot arc? Also, is there a color code for "long range only"?
I stipulated this since the turret is limited to -30 degrees on the beam shots, per the manual that Foz posted in the UAC Stats forum:
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Also: is it my eyes, or does this turret have twin guns? It should be a single gun, offset to the right.
Sorry, a little nitpicking first thing in the morning. A very nice card, as usual, Mike.

Karl

[THECCRICH]

I love details... :)

[OldGuy59]

Mike;
Would it be too confusing to put an inner yellow curve just inside (maybe touching) the dorsal arc to show the lower shot arc? Also, is there a color code for "long range only"?
I stipulated this since the turret is limited to -30 degrees on the beam shots, per the manual that Foz posted in the UAC Stats forum:
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Also: is it my eyes, or does this turret have twin guns? It should be a single gun, offset to the right.
Sorry, a little nitpicking first thing in the morning. A very nice card, as usual, Mike.

Karl
Karl,
Drawing above fixed. Interesting that there are drawings of this plane with a twin-gunned turret, but I can't find any version of TBM or TBF that had a twin-gunned turret in the version record.

I'm not an altitude guy. The lower altitude thing on the dorsal turret is a problem, as I understand the rules. If the standard rules for altitude are that planes above fire at planes below using short range as a long range hit, then the dorsal turret firing at targets below at long range only is not allowed. Therefore, no firing arcs are required. Just my two cents. This is a game mechanic thing, not real life.

So, there wouldn't be any need for special color coding. Also, I am not aware of any "long range only" weapons in Wings of Glory. There are "range not a factor" weapons (AA cannons, explosive round cannons?), but that isn't the same thing.

Thoughts?

PS: I've adjusted the Avenger ventral firing arc damage to reflect the published He.111 ventral arcs, showing only short range.

[Lt. S.Kafloc]

Looking at the diagram firing arc 2 is 360 degrees its just the bit missing from the card should only by at high not level or low.

[OldGuy59]

Looking at the diagram firing arc 2 is 360 degrees its just the bit missing from the card should only by at high not level or low.

Neil,
I might have it wrong, but the level arc is the #2 red shield and arc, the higher arc is the #2 red outlined shield with white center, indicating 360 degrees. It is shown this way on a few official planes.

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Hmm... Might need to modify my card a bit.

[Jager]

Karl,
I'm not an altitude guy. The lower altitude thing on the dorsal turret is a problem, as I understand the rules. If the standard rules for altitude are that planes above fire at planes below using short range as a long range hit, then the dorsal turret firing at targets below at long range only is not allowed. Therefore, no firing arcs are required. Just my two cents. This is a game mechanic thing, not real life.


Duh! Obviously my brain wasn't thinking on this one. :smack:
OK, no lower shooting with the Dorsal gun.

Karl

[Rabbit 3]

If I`m interpreting the commitee`s notes correctly then the fire arcs look like this.257082

[OldGuy59]

If I`m interpreting the commitee`s notes correctly then the fire arcs look like this.257082

Robert,
That would be what I see in the WGS Unoffical Aircraft Gunnery Arcs V1.0 document, as well.

I'm proposing updating the arc with a new arc as per Ares published cards. Karl's [Jager] image in Post #9 suggests that even my proposal is too limited, but would fit with the current game mechanics.

[Dowters]

Is there an Avenger card available to download?

[Teaticket]

Is there an Avenger card available to download?

The one in post #15 looks good.