How about this....

[The Cowman]

It is just after the war... the mighty King Kong is wreaking havoc on the sky-scrapers of some famous city (insert your favorite here). Your squadron is in the air and on its way to bring the beast down...

Pit a group of Spad XIIIs and a couple of Breguet BR.14 B2s against the giant sized ape. Kong sits atop one of four or five buildings spaced relatively close to each other (say two plane widths apart) and has the ability to leap from building to building. He can swat at planes or possibly grab a plane and use it as a projectile... Aircraft are seriously damaged or destroyed if they happen to fly into Kong or a building of course... and if it turns out that the planes are too much for his Apeness... then you could throw in that nasty fog I was having fun with in another thread... shortening the range at which the planes can hit Kong... and giving aircraft a chance to be damaged if they come too close to a building or another aircraft... Kong might also be given massive amounts of hit points... or might take half damage from hits rounded down (making 1's count as 0's.)

Just a thought that popped into my head... would be spiffy if one had a few model building tops and a nice stuffed or plastic Gorilla figure to use as terrain and props... and if Central Powers aircraft are your thing then you could of course switch planes out and have the whole affair take place somewhere in Germany, Austria or the like...

Now comes the part where someone tells me that this whole scenario can already be found somewhere on the site. :D

[Skullduggery]

Now that you mention it. Here is the Kong I am working on for my Godzilla game.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i173/Skullyweb/kong.jpg

[The Cowman]

Now that you mention it. Here is the Kong I am working on for my Godzilla game.


Awesome Brian! :D Is that a mini or some sort of action figure?

[needles]

Like the idea although it does have a large flaw, the ESB is 1250ft high so at 1/144 you are looking at about 8ft 8in which is about a foot higher than my living room ceiling, lol.

Needles

[The Cowman]

Like the idea although it does have a large flaw, the ESB is 1250ft high so at 1/144 you are looking at about 8ft 8in which is about a foot higher than my living room ceiling, lol.

Needles

Not sure what the ESB is... I am assuming it is a building in the U.K? I was imagining that for the scenario one would only use the tops of the buildings as terrain... thus eliminating the need for vaulted ceilings and ladders to play out the mission... :D


Update... DOH!!! Empire State Building... I can be a moron this late at night... :D

[needles]

Lol, my advantage as it is morning here. I love your idea and I think it is certainly unique. Working off a white cloud pillow battle mat the top dozen floors of say the ESB, Chrysler, etc showing pertruding through the clouds, the brave aces could battle the Kong. Along with machine guns, nets and early rockets could be deployed.

How do the airmen take down the Kong without endangering the girl? uum? lots of scope me thinks.

Keep working on it, I am sure special rules and card set experts are waiting in he wings.

Needles

[The Cowman]

Keep working on it, I am sure special rules and card set experts are waiting in he wings.

Needles

Never thought about that... hmmmm which maneuver deck would work best for ape leaping.. and are gaint apes capable of the Immelman maneuver??? :D

And on that note I am off to bed... need to get a few hours rest and figure out how I am going to top that last Toys for Tots bid!! Gnite all!

[Guntruck]

Now, where are we going to get a model of the ESB? :rolleyes:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.buildyourownnewyork.com/Empirecard.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.buildyourownnewyork.com/order.html&h=248&w=145&sz=14&tbnid=cIy2h8HshdaDMM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=65&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dempire%2Bstate%2Bbuilding%2Bpaper%2Bmodel&zoom=1&q=empire+state+building+paper+model&usg=__UmrZlVYPjD7bS7cdCNxcJ4cRbZA=&sa=X&ei=j0UHTY6qHIq3hQeMooHtBw&ved=0CCYQ9QEwBA

or a freebie:

http://www.papertoys.com/empire-building.htm

[needles]

Not too sure on the finer points but I am working on the physical aspects

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI-Hit0FW2s

Needles

[The Cowman]

Now, where are we going to get a model of the ESB? :rolleyes:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.buildyourownnewyork.com/Empirecard.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.buildyourownnewyork.com/order.html&h=248&w=145&sz=14&tbnid=cIy2h8HshdaDMM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=65&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dempire%2Bstate%2Bbuilding%2Bpaper%2Bmodel&zoom=1&q=empire+state+building+paper+model&usg=__UmrZlVYPjD7bS7cdCNxcJ4cRbZA=&sa=X&ei=j0UHTY6qHIq3hQeMooHtBw&ved=0CCYQ9QEwBA

or a freebie:

http://www.papertoys.com/empire-building.htm

I like the first one but it is a bit tiny... I suppose you could enlarge it quite a bit and then just use the very top....




Not too sure on the finer points but I am working on the physical aspects

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=jI-Hit0FW2s

Needles

Not sure what happened there but the link does really take me anywhere... might be something on my end...

[Bruce]

OTB thinking guys (Outside The Box). I feel kind of "old" just listening to you.

[LGKR]

You might be interested in this thread.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1164&highlight=king+kong

[needles]

Sorry Ken, I use an ipad and the search engine takes me to youtube mobile, try this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI-Hit0FW2s

Needles

[DaveZee]

Awesome Brian! :D Is that a mini or some sort of action figure?

That is a monster called King Kondo from a fantastic game called Monsterpocalypse. More info can be found here (http://www.monsterpocalypse.com). Or, pm me or Wolfbiter, as we are both avid Monsterpocalypse players... :)

[The Cowman]

You might be interested in this thread.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1164&highlight=king+kong

Of course this is not a new idea... what was I thinking!!! :D


Sorry Ken, I use an ipad and the search engine takes me to youtube mobile, try this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI-Hit0FW2s

Needles

There you have it... proof that Kong would not get an Immelman card! He must have a gravity fed top fuel tank...


That is a monster called King Kondo from a fantastic game called Monsterpocalypse. More info can be found here (http://www.monsterpocalypse.com). Or, pm me or Wolfbiter, as we are both avid Monsterpocalypse players... :)

Familar with Monsterpocolypse, being a Warmachine fan... but have never played... :( Had never seen King Kondo!

[Skullduggery]

That is a monster called King Kondo from a fantastic game called Monsterpocalypse. More info can be found here (http://www.monsterpocalypse.com). Or, pm me or Wolfbiter, as we are both avid Monsterpocalypse players... :)

Yeah what he said. :D

[needles]

There you have it... proof that Kong would not get an Immelman card! He must have a gravity fed fuel tank

Possible alternative would be a split s, inverted immelman card that way he would only be inverted briefly before gravity played its part to complete the half loop off the top. However any inverted manoeuvres will disorientate the Kong and so several straight cards must be play directly after. A predetermined loss of height would need to be considered as to what floor on the ESB the Kong would level out......lol ;-)

Needles

[Skullduggery]

My thought is Kong would be treated as an unmoving target. Kind of like AA. Planes would not be able to fire at more than close range for fear of hitting Ann (Fay Wray). Plus any that strayed too close would be subject to an attack by Kong.
The explosion card would not effect Kong. If drawn vs a plane would mean Kong has grabbed it and flung it to it's doom down the building.

[needles]

Like it Brian

[Goering Ace]

I love the idea, Ken!! :D

Another scenario for Hunter and I to try over the Christmas vacation!!

[The Cowman]

Scott if you do, let us know how you set it up, and how it went please! I think between a few of us we can work out the kinks and come up with a solid scnario that I would like to run at Origins in 2011. :)

[Goering Ace]

Scott if you do, let us know how you set it up, and how it went please! I think between a few of us we can work out the kinks and come up with a solid scnario that I would like to run at Origins in 2011. :)

Will do, Ken. I'll report back after we've given the scenario a try. Probably will be a week or two since it will have to wait until Hunter is on Christmas vacation.

[Charlie3]

It is just after the war... the mighty King Kong is wreaking havoc on the sky-scrapers of some famous city (insert your favorite here). Your squadron is in the air and on its way to bring the beast down...

Now comes the part where someone tells me that this whole scenario can already be found somewhere on the site. :D

I just looked for the website I found these rules on over a year ago. They don't appear to be on the site any longer. So here they are as printed I tryed to add the graphics here but was unable to do so.

King Kong has 35 damage points, and uses the C damage deck for planes that come into range. The King Kong card is a 4 or5 inch hex shaped target card with a picture of the building spire on it for him to stand on with 6 numbered spaces to move about. The turn track marker is just a 10 turn marker. The King Kong damage cards are just C damage cards with special King Kong backs.

KING KONG RULES
Supplies needed
King Kong card
Turn track and Marker
King Kong damage cards (same as "C" damage)
One “A” damage deck for airplanes with explosion removed
Range sticks
One six sided die (d6)

SETUP:
Choose two "A" damage planes.
Put the King Kong figure in the middle of table (36 x 36in min.)
Put the turn track close to the action.

OBJECTIVE:
The player has 10 turns to put King Kong down.

HOW TO PLAY:
At the beginning of each game turn roll a die to find out which side of the building
King Kong will attack from, place the die in that sector as a marker.

Any planes in the arc on that side of the building that are 1 shoot stick away from the red dot in the center of the Empire State building are possible targets for King Kong.

King Kong may only attack 1 plane at a time per combat phase. A plane that is attacked receives a King Kong or "C" damage card(s).

The planes must target the red dot in the center of the Empire State Building to hit King Kong, even if King Kong is not attacking from the side where the shot comes from.
King Kong ignores all special damage icons.

Planes that touch or pass over the Empire State Building card must check for a collision. If a collision occurs the plane takes 3 A damage cards.

MULTIPLE PLAYERS:
If you want to play with more than one player, each chooses an “A” damage plane.

All planes must start in formation 3 range sticks from the King Kong card.

The player that causes the most damage to King Kong after 10 game turns or kills King Kong wins the game.

Give it a try, I like this as a solo game, and I use the figure posted earlier. If anyone is REALLY intrested I can see what I can do about getting the graphics I have to you.

[crashx]

Man, you guys are great!!! That is what I love about this site, players like you that share ideas and thoughts for this great game, and think outside the box (or in this case, outside the cage).

[Boney10]

Now comes the part where someone tells me that this whole scenario can already be found somewhere on the site. :D

"This whole scenario can already be found on this site !!!" he he only joking nice one Ken

[The Cowman]

"This whole scenario can already be found on this site !!!" he he only joking nice one Ken

Well in a way you are correct... but hope to take what they did up one notch!! :D

[Charlie3]

Does anyone know what planes are in the scenes from the newer movie, and the original movie? I don't have a copy of either movie and can't check at the moment. I am planning to run this game at a fundraising game day on the 5th of Feb. for Gaming for a Cure, and I want to see if I can find models of them.

[wargamer]

Now comes the part where someone tells me that this whole scenario can already be found somewhere on the site.
The scenario is not here, but over at Board Game Geek.
Rules, counters, esb, etc.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/44287/king-kong-vs-wing-of-war-solo-expansion

[The Cowman]

Does anyone know what planes are in the scenes from the newer movie, and the original movie? I don't have a copy of either movie and can't check at the moment. I am planning to run this game at a fundraising game day on the 5th of Feb. for Gaming for a Cure, and I want to see if I can find models of them.

I do not have either movie to confirm this but I found this thread (http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/movies-television/23119-aircraft-type-king-kong.html) at the Aerodrome site. By surfing the intergoogle I also found references to the Vought O2U Corsair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_O2U_Corsair) and the Curtiss SBC Helldiver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_SBC_Helldiver).

[Diamondback]

Um, guys, as high and mighty and noble as we all wish the Powers That Be were, the reality is they wouldn't give two bowel-movements about the life of a Mere Prole.... "Greater Good" and "Needs of the Many" and "Can't Make An Omelet Without Breaking Eggs" and "Sacrifices Must Be Made" and all that Bravo Sierra... Ever notice that they always demand we make the sacrifices but never put anything of theirs on the collection plate when push meets shove?

I'd say, if you want to be realistic, something like:
PRIMARY OBJECTIVE: Kill Kong
SECONDARY OBJECTIVE: Save Ann

Question is, how do you implement the mechanics for the Secondary?

Birds in both films are Grumman F3F's, IIRC.

[The Cowman]

You know... why make it hard on yourself... just pick out a few Entente two Seaters of your choice... and a few SE.5a to back them up... who says it has to be exactly like the film?

The "Save the Girl" mechanics can be simple: If you accidentally shoot her you fail the objective. If Kong goes down and take her with him, you fail the objective. If you manage to make Kong put her Down and then kill him, you complete the objective. You just have to figure out which actions trigger the specific circumstances, and the chances of that hapenning at any given "trigger event".

I think we are going to get multiple answers for the plane type... It is not like the planes were the stars of the movie... ;) Now if you could find a "Making of" documentary of the Peter Jackson film you might find an answer there...

[Diamondback]

Cowman, I know a Behind the Scenes on the Jackson film claimed the CGI birds were F3F's, and Jackson was trying to make it frame-for-frame aside from the cast and better effects.

Googling for sources...
EDIT 1: found a link to an auction of one of the filming models, it's obviously not an F3F, since Gruuman's third Navy fighter had an enclosed cockpit--this looks more like a Stearman with its cockpit layout... http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/hollywood-memorabilia-auction-40/the-orville-goldner-production-art-archive-and-biplane-filming-miniature-from-king-kong.html

EDIT 2: Per this source [ http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7457225 ] , the fullsizes in the original were O2C-2's and NY's.

EDIT 3: Peter Jackson claims in an interview [ http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/jac0int-4 ] that they're Curtiss Helldivers, probably the SBC version would be my guess since we ain't talkin' the "Big-Tailed Beast", unless there was a third, earlier Helldiver... film directors, though, are generally not the stuff of legends in their aerospace knowledge, aside from maybe Spielberg since he crawled around a lot of 'em as a kid.

[Charlie3]

Um, guys, as high and mighty and noble as we all wish the Powers That Be were, the reality is they wouldn't give two bowel-movements about the life of a Mere Prole.... "Greater Good" and "Needs of the Many" and "Can't Make An Omelet Without Breaking Eggs" and "Sacrifices Must Be Made" and all that Bravo Sierra... Ever notice that they always demand we make the sacrifices but never put anything of theirs on the collection plate when push meets shove?

I'd say, if you want to be realistic, something like:
PRIMARY OBJECTIVE: Kill Kong
SECONDARY OBJECTIVE: Save Ann

Question is, how do you implement the mechanics for the Secondary?

Birds in both films are Grumman F3F's, IIRC.I will be starting the combat at the point that Kong puts the girl down safely next to the spire of the building (happens in all three movies including that horrible 1980's flick) So the point of the game is to kill Kong. It is kinda like playing Custer's last stand...You know what is going to happen, you just change how things actually come about! After looking at the pictures and compairing them to illistrations in a few books, I agree that they are O2C-2s (NY?) and F8Cs I can use WWI twoseaters, just want planes that are closer in time period (1930) for flavor. So I am on the hunt.

[The Cowman]

Cowman, I know a Behind the Scenes on the Jackson film claimed the CGI birds were F3F's, and Jackson was trying to make it frame-for-frame aside from the cast and better effects.

Googling for sources...
EDIT 1: found a link to an auction of one of the filming models, it's obviously not an F3F, since Gruuman's third Navy fighter had an enclosed cockpit--this looks more like a Stearman with its cockpit layout... http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/hollywood-memorabilia-auction-40/the-orville-goldner-production-art-archive-and-biplane-filming-miniature-from-king-kong.html

EDIT 2: Per this source [ http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7457225 ] , the fullsizes in the original were O2C-2's and NY's.

EDIT 3: Peter Jackson claims in an interview [ http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/jac0int-4 ] that they're Curtiss Helldivers, probably the SBC version would be my guess since we ain't talkin' the "Big-Tailed Beast", unless there was a third, earlier Helldiver... film directors, though, are generally not the stuff of legends in their aerospace knowledge, aside from maybe Spielberg since he crawled around a lot of 'em as a kid.

What a confusing mess... it kind of reminds me of the whole "Immelman/not an Immelman" argument.... my head is spinning, and I didn't even get to have a drink first!!! grrrrr... ;) :p

[Diamondback]

Cowman, I'd look at the filming-model first and see if it matches either the O2C or NY, and the auctioneer's notes since they're at least partially sourced from the guy who built the model and was involved intimately with the original production, as "best sources" at this point.

[Dom S]

They were definitely Curtiss F8C Helldivers (later redesignated as O2Cs) - a 1928 type, and the first of three different types to get the name. Jackson had two replicas made for the King Kong remake, specifically because he wanted the same type as in the original.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/curtiss_o2c.php

As for "film directors, though, are generally not the stuff of legends in their aerospace knowledge" well, couldn't be much more wrong on this one.... ;). Jackson is a *huge* aviation, and especially biplane, nut - amongst other things he owns The Vintage Aviator, a company that restores WWI aircraft, as well as building replicas. For sheer biplane porn, take a look at their site:

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/

(I believe he also owns some (most?) of the aircraft on display at the Omaka aviation museum....)

[The Cowman]

You won't find me ever doubting Dom... so I'd say we have a solid answer Charlie!

[phililphall]

Dom, just looked thru the website you posted. WOW! Apparently any time a Kiwi gets bored he goes out and builds a replica of a WWI airplane. Loved the 2010 Airshow coverage with 700+ photos. This is one that gets bookmarked.

[Diamondback]

My respect to Mr. Jackson, apparently he's another exception to the rule. Wasn't trying to trash anybodt as individuals, just citing the general trend... Hollyweird as a general rule likes to play fast and loose with the technicals on almost everything, planes and guns/combat tactics just grating on me most 'cuz I know them well enough to notice.

[Dom S]

Oh yes, we've all sat through Battle Of The Bulge laughing at the tanks, but I thought it worth pointing out that Mr Jackson is a rather notable exception to the usual.... :D

[Charlie3]

In Hollyweird's defence, they USED to have to make do as far as equipment. Although it has always annoyed me when they portray one group of say aircraft, our intrepid heros, and the planes change type in every shot because they used stock footage of planes doing what they want them to do. They always get weapons and tactics wrong though. I have been less annoyed in the last 10 years now that they can CG stuff in, they actually get closer to being right. The scripts still tend to fall short.

If you haven't already seen it watch the video about the rotary engine on the website that Dom listed. I have played it for many people over the last year or so to show them that the whole engine turned on these planes...most people don't believe you. The fact that when it starts up the whole thing becomes almost invisable is impressive. They also show you how the pistion firing system worked, as the engine rotated. Great Stuff!

[David Manley]

I recall the cries of angst when "Flyboys" came out, with every German plane a Dr.1 and all of them red, except the villain's. Then i saw an interview on TV where the producers said they knew thay should be Albatros' and they knew that they shouldn't be red Dr.1s, but the intended audience also knew that German WW1 fighter pilots flew red triplanes, and if they didn't follow that expectation the audience could become "confused".

And then there is the Bell 206 in "Biggles" :)

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8277&d=1295453911

I still need to do the loudspeaker "ball" on the outrigger, and then to concoct a suitable manoeuvre deck :)

[Charlie3]

I recall the cries of angst when "Flyboys" came out, with every German plane a Dr.1 and all of them red, except the villain's. Then i saw an interview on TV where the producers said they knew thay should be Albatros' and they knew that they shouldn't be red Dr.1s, but the intended audience also knew that German WW1 fighter pilots flew red triplanes, and if they didn't follow that expectation the audience could become "confused".

And then there is the Bell 206 in "Biggles" :)

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8277&d=1295453911

I still need to do the loudspeaker "ball" on the outrigger, and then to concoct a suitable manoeuvre deck :) So they just added to the confusion...as far as the bell...just use the "L" deck and consider the short maneuvers hovers! looks like fun.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

For a minute I thought it was Biggles back from the 21st Century. Then I realised that was just a nasty dream I had once a few years ago.
Rob.

[tuladin]

I recall the cries of angst when "Flyboys" came out, with every German plane a Dr.1 and all of them red, except the villain's. Then i saw an interview on TV where the producers said they knew thay should be Albatros' and they knew that they shouldn't be red Dr.1s, but the intended audience also knew that German WW1 fighter pilots flew red triplanes, and if they didn't follow that expectation the audience could become "confused"...

They might as well have had the Germans flying TIE fighters. :):)

[phililphall]

One of the other statements made by the director of Flyboys went something like this: "With CGI we can make the planes do things they could never do in WWI"
But oddly, I still find it to be an entertaining movie, much better on the small screen than the large.

[Diamondback]

And somebody should have told him "Yeah, and with CGI I can turn you into a cockroach..." and delivered a verbal Gibbs-slap (anybody else here an NCIS fan?) about the importance of period-realism in a "period piece".

As for "...intended audience 'knew'..." well...
"Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know *snort* tomorrow."--Agent K, MIB

[The Cowman]

And somebody should have told him "Yeah, and with CGI I can turn you into a cockroach..." and delivered a verbal Gibbs-slap (anybody else here an NCIS fan?) about the importance of period-realism in a "period piece".

As for "...intended audience 'knew'..." well...
"Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know *snort* tomorrow."--Agent K, MIB

LOL I have decided that I like Red Baron better than Flyboys, but they both have some good and bad points, that is for sure! (And I am fast becoming an NCIS fan as I slowly catch up on all the old episodes)

[Flying Officer Kyte]

My son introduced me to NCIS about six months ago. He now has a flat bald patch on the back of his head.
Rob.

[The Cowman]

My son introduced me to NCIS about six months ago. He now has a flat bald patch on the back of his head.
Rob.

LMAO!!! :D:D

[Diamondback]

So, is he more "DiNozzo" or "McGee"? LOL

[Flying Officer Kyte]

So, is he more "DiNozzo" or "McGee"? LOL

Definitely DiNozzo.

Rob.

[The Cowman]

OK so I just ordered a "Kong" from Ebay... and I will be constructing a few skyscraper toppers for terrain this week... one of these days I will stop biting off more than I can chew and I will finish my Reviresco Camel project... but first I have 9 more decals to put on CappyTom's Spad, and some major clear-coating to do... lets just hope the back holds out... and that the store is open for our last event/play-test on the 27th! ;)

[The Cowman]

So I found a cool 8" Kong plush on Ebay to use for my play-test scenario coming up this Sunday (My last event at Armoury Games before they close) At scale that will make my Kong close to 100' tall... quite the beast...

Because of the size of the plush I have decided to go with one rooftop. I am thinking of something along the size of the Sears tower (225' x 225') . At scale that will be about 19" x 19" square. I plan on doing that as a raised 3D relief maybe 1" tall at the base with various objects representing AC units, Antenna, and other objects on the roof top. Kong will then stand on top and move from area to area. There will be a felt or similar footprint under the rooftop so that the entire piece can be lifted and allow aircraft to easily pass over. The footprint will show the location of the taller objects on top so that collisions with said objects can be appraised.

Here is my quandary. I have one week to create this piece. I have zero budget. I must use materials on hand. I have lots of foam, and cardboard both corrugated and cereal box types. I have a bit of balsa and a large container of pill bottles, cans and "scrap junk" I can also get access to a small amount of plywood if needed. I am open to suggestions for a rooftop plan, and any suggestions for construction to make this look halfway decent. I can of course airbrush after construction.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. :confused: :confused:

Thanks! :cool::eek:

Ken

[MayorJim]

Ken,

Can't you just "build" up using this top part of the bldg. as a general guide? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Manhattan_at_Dusk_by_slonecker.jpg/200px-Manhattan_at_Dusk_by_slonecker.jpg

[The Cowman]

Ken,

Can't you just "build" up using this top part of the bldg. as a general guide? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Manhattan_at_Dusk_by_slonecker.jpg/200px-Manhattan_at_Dusk_by_slonecker.jpg

That is the general idea... I chose (even though it is out of period and geographic significance) the top of the Sears Tower... it is a nice wide flat top... with the big antennas lending to collison chances... so I plan on having the top story (about an inch) and then the rooftop and the structures above it)

What I am looking for is ideas for cheap or free alternatives to use as the materials to create the build. I only have a few days with my busy schedule this week to get it put together... so any ideas are appreciated!

[The Cowman]

Anyone else have any ideas at all please? I am running out of time and will be starting construction, blindly if necessary, tonight right after I put the finishing touches on the Guynemer Spad (finally!)

[tuladin]

Fiddler's Green has an Empire State Building (http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/buildings/empire-state.html). It looks like someone just built the top.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Nice find Larry. I wonder if they would E-mail a copy to Ken if he sent them a credit by Pay Pal. That would speed up the process.
Rob.

[tuladin]

Here's a few stills from the movies to help your scratch build...

9519

9518

9517

Edit - you could build the top tower section from a Pringles can capped by the bottom part of a Styrofoam cup

[tuladin]

Nice find Larry. I wonder if they would E-mail a copy to Ken if he sent them a credit by Pay Pal. That would speed up the process.
Rob.

That's how you buy stuff from Fiddler's Green - paying by credit card lets you download a PDF that you can print out as many times as you want to. :)

[PRS]

The top of the Empire State Building doesn't look too hard to do. You don't need to make it super detailed. Just do a series of rectangular boxes until you get to the cylindrical spire with the four flanges cut from cardboard or foam core and a truncated cone on top. From the third picture Larry posted, I'd start just below where the plane is. If you use Google Sketchup, there are 3d models of the ESB that you can download for reference, though some are better than others. Just ignore the antenna if it has it, since that wasn't added until later.

My thoughts if I were running something like this is that Kong could be at the very top where he could be fired on from any side and considered altitude 3. He could go down to the area around where the spire starts, considered altitude 2, and move around the tower, being at one of the four corners or on one of the sides.

I'd make a move deck for him consisting of cards that indicate no move, move 1 clockwise, move 2 clockwise, move 1 anticlockwise, move 2 anticlockwise, climb up, and climb down. I would think the deck should be mostly no move and move 1 or 2, with only a few climb up and down. Just pull one card each phase to see what he does. If he is at the top, the moves and the climb up count as no move. Climb down takes one phase and roll a d8 to determine where on the lower area he climbs down to. While on the lower deck, a move 1 would have move from a corner to the center of one side or from a side to a corner in the appropriate direction. A move 2 would have him move from one corner to the next or one side to the next in the indicated direction. While on the lower area, the tower would block fire, so attackers would need to be on Kong's side of the building to hit him. A climb down while on the lower area counts as no move, and a climb up has Kong climb to the top taking two (or maybe three) phases. Until he gets to the top, he is considered on whatever side he started from and the tower still blocks fire.

[PRS]

As I take another look at the top, it isn't a cylinder with flanges. It is a square tower with the flanges coming off the corners. Just the very top is round and then tapers in.

[MayorJim]

Anyone else have any ideas at all please? I am running out of time and will be starting construction, blindly if necessary, tonight right after I put the finishing touches on the Guynemer Spad (finally!)

Umm...if your in a rush, maybe use Lego's? ;-) Hey, besides, you're supposed to be "resting" today...:-) depending on how big your "monkey" is (no comments from the peanut gallery please), maybe use a coffee can with a series of soft-drink/beer (yeah baby!) cans on top of it...hey, it's a game not a Frank LLoyd Wright designer thing...;-)

[The Cowman]

Fiddler's Green has an Empire State Building (http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/buildings/empire-state.html). It looks like someone just built the top.


Nice find Larry. I wonder if they would E-mail a copy to Ken if he sent them a credit by Pay Pal. That would speed up the process.
Rob.

That has potential and I can afford the purchase... I am pretty sure all of Fiddler's Green's Stuff is available for download ( Unless you buy entire CDs of models series) The question is, how do I increase the size of the images from a .pdf in order to get the scale right? I can always reinforce things with foam inside after I print out the larger parts and build just the top...

Thanks for the link!

[tuladin]

You can use the snapshot tool on Adobe to capture all or part of a pdf page and copy it to word or a graphics program, with which you can resize.

It has been my experience that the larger you make the the pdf image on your screen before using the snapshot tool, the sharper the copy comes out.

[Diamondback]

Ken, if you take it to FedEx Kinko's they might be able to help--Chip also thoughtfully included a letter with a lot of his models about "Dear Kinkos Kopy Kop, as copyright holder I give bearer of this letter permission to make as many copies of this model as they like for personal use".

Or, you might get some tagboard sheets and a micrometer or calipers, measure the FG model then figure the corresponding dimensions and manually enlarge it. (Kinda like what I've been trying to do with various Zeppelin materials but the old-fashioned way as opposed to my using Google SketchUp to create digital models.)

[The Cowman]

OK now that I had a look around the Fiddler's Green Web site I found this: http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/Miscellanous/Tower-Bridge.html

I am thinking that I could enarge this to N scale (isn't that close to 1/144th?) and it would make for an interesting scenario... the question is: how to enlarge? How much to enlarge? and will it hold the weight of Mighty Stuffed 8" Kong once enlarged? (Oh and how big would it be at that scale?) Any help?

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I appreciate very much all the tips and help... lots of Reputation will be handed out soon!

[tuladin]

Ken, if you take it to FedEx Kinko's...

Uh-oh. those are Ken's trigger words - Slowly he turns...step by step...inch by inch... :eek:

[The Cowman]

You can use the snapshot tool on Adobe to capture all or part of a pdf page and copy it to word or a graphics program, with which you can resize.

It has been my experience that the larger you make the the pdf image on your screen before using the snapshot tool, the sharper the copy comes out.

I did not think about that... I could also use the Windows 7 clipping tool to do the same I suppose. Thx!


Ken, if you take it to FedEx Kinko's they might be able to help--Chip also thoughtfully included a letter with a lot of his models about "Dear Kinkos Kopy Kop, as copyright holder I give bearer of this letter permission to make as many copies of this model as they like for personal use".

Or, you might get some tagboard sheets and a micrometer or calipers, measure the FG model then figure the corresponding dimensions and manually enlarge it. (Kinda like what I've been trying to do with various Zeppelin materials but the old-fashioned way as opposed to my using Google SketchUp to create digital models.)

I actually plan on visiting a copy store tomorrow... but I can guarantee you it will NOT be Fed Ex Kinkos!!! LOL :D :D :cool:

You should read this Blog Entry of Mine (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/entry.php?5-How-NOT-to-prepare-a-WoW-Event-A-Somewhat-Lengthy-Tale-of-Printing-and-Horror...)when you get a chance sometime! ;);)

[The Cowman]

Uh-oh. those are Ken's trigger words - Slowly he turns...step by step...inch by inch... :eek:

LMAO!!! DUDE!!! DON"T CALL ME DUDE!!!! I love Scatterbrain!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbLhHtaVIO4

I think I will buy both the Empire State Building and the Tower Bridge and print them out tonight... then take them to Office Max tomorrow and see if they can help me get the sizes right... :cool:

[Diamondback]

Okay, not them specifically, but y'all got my point. :o That had to suck... which is why I like to do all the prep and first-copy myself so all I gotta do is fire up a copier--which doesn't need some overpriced walking counter-warmer to do beyond handing you the key and ringing you up.

[tuladin]

LMAO!!! DUDE!!! DON"T CALL ME DUDE!!!! I love Scatterbrain!...

I've never heard of Scatterbrain, but that was pretty good. I was referring to the old vaudeville routine performed here by misters Howard, Howard, and Fine,



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJBhzMWJCc

[The Cowman]

You can use the snapshot tool on Adobe to capture all or part of a pdf page and copy it to word or a graphics program, with which you can resize.

It has been my experience that the larger you make the the pdf image on your screen before using the snapshot tool, the sharper the copy comes out.


I've never heard of Scatterbrain, but that was pretty good. I was referring to the old vaudeville routine performed here by misters Howard, Howard, and Fine,



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJBhzMWJCc

I love it! Puts a smile on my face!

BTW I did buy the ESB and Tower Bridge models from Fiddlers Green. Hoping I can make one of those work for me...

I also found the link to this page: http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/other/WESTIE-PUPS/WESTIE-PUPS.php which also made me smile!

[Skullduggery]

LMAO!!! DUDE!!! DON"T CALL ME DUDE!!!! I love Scatterbrain!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbLhHtaVIO4

I think I will buy both the Empire State Building and the Tower Bridge and print them out tonight... then take them to Office Max tomorrow and see if they can help me get the sizes right... :cool:

LOL I think you and I are the only ones who remember scatterbrain Ken.( I saw them play in a club many years ago)

[The Cowman]

LOL I think you and I are the only ones who remember scatterbrain Ken.( I saw them play in a club many years ago)

My favorites:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMGocciEPYk

and


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiFMsQG42Nw

Those two make for awesome annoying cell-phone ringtones!

[tuladin]

... and will it hold the weight of Mighty Stuffed 8" Kong once enlarged? (Oh and how big would it be at that scale?) Any help?...

8" at 1/144 scale is 8 x 144 = 1152" = 96'

96 feet. That's one big monkey!

Years ago there was a King Kong Saturday morning cartoon show. Its theme song went:

King Kong, you know the name of
King Kong, you know the fame of
King Kong, Ten Times as big as a man.

Your Kong is 16 times as big as a man, which is close enough for Giant-Gorilla-Rampaging-Across-New-York work! :)

[The Cowman]

I just got back from Office Max and they were unable to increase the paper models I needed to the proper size... so the Tower Bridge Kong scenario will have to wait... I picked up some foamcore pretty cheapand am going to build something tonight. We will see what I can come up with!

Oh and I noticed that Fiddlers Green has some nice WWI tanks they just added... going to have to pick up those models and build a few hundred.... ;)

[tuladin]

Quick rough sketch of an idea... Tube (cardboard or Pringles can?) with foam core buttresses... truncated paper cup on top... attach hook (paper clip?) to Kong so he can dangle from cupola... square base to steady it

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[Diamondback]

Ken, problem is the FG tanks are huge, and a bear to rescale down to 1:144 or smaller and then try to build (unless you like doing all assembly operations with tweezers, but there are a few masochists on the FG Forum who do that)--I've actually been thinking about enlarging the tanks that come with the 1:400 JSC L59 to around 1:200-1:300 or so for "3D Ground Targets".

[The Cowman]

Ken, problem is the FG tanks are huge, and a bear to rescale down to 1:144 or smaller and then try to build (unless you like doing all assembly operations with tweezers, but there are a few masochists on the FG Forum who do that)--I've actually been thinking about enlarging the tanks that come with the 1:400 JSC L59 to around 1:200-1:300 or so for "3D Ground Targets".

OK so maybe I won't do hundreds... but I may try one or two to see if I can handle the teeny tiny folding! Where is the JSC L59?

[Diamondback]

It's a hardcopy, check out http://www.JSC.pl as a start--L59 isn't in the Paper Models International online-catalog, but the last PDF catalog I downloaded had it IIRC--might drop by their website at papermodels.net and ask them if they'd look into getting it, though for just three little tanks it's an awful pricey way to go. (OTOH, if you want to do a "Grounded Zeppelin" scenario, it might work for you, despite that L59, along with L57 and L71, was the biggest Zeppelin of WWI... and really meant as a long-range transport on a one-way trip to Africa rather than a bomber.

[The Cowman]

It's a hardcopy, check out http://www.JSC.pl as a start--L59 isn't in the Paper Models International online-catalog, but the last PDF catalog I downloaded had it IIRC--might drop by their website at papermodels.net and ask them if they'd look into getting it, though for just three little tanks it's an awful pricey way to go. (OTOH, if you want to do a "Grounded Zeppelin" scenario, it might work for you, despite that L59, along with L57 and L71, was the biggest Zeppelin of WWI... and really meant as a long-range transport on a one-way trip to Africa rather than a bomber.

Thanks for the link... will check out the options!

[Diamondback]

It's number 056 in their catalog, the smaller L48 in the same scale is 055. Too bad they can't just release a sheet of nothing but multitudes of those tanks... looks like you get 2 Mk I, 2 Mk IV and 4 German A7V.

Also, looks like L48 includes a Staaken and a 1 1/2-strutter to-scale as "bonuses".

[Archidamus]

Hey Ken,

Flash, AlgyLacey & I were having a discussion about this King Kong scenario over coffee at the convention today. We have some questions:

1. Has King Kong received his mandatory Health & Safety training for climbing tall buildings?
2. Will Fay Wray be wearing a hard hat?
3. Have the pilots been briefed in completing the Environmental Impact Report necessary after King Kong falls to the streets?

These are all important aspects that need to be addressed :)

[Goering Ace]

Hey Ken,

Flash, AlgyLacey & I were having a discussion about this King Kong scenario over coffee at the convention today. We have some questions:

1. Has King Kong received his mandatory Health & Safety training for climbing tall buildings?
2. Will Fay Wray be wearing a hard hat?
3. Have the pilots been briefed in completing the Environmental Impact Report necessary after King Kong falls to the streets?

These are all important aspects that need to be addressed :)

LOL!! :D :D That's hysterical!!

[flash]

And don't forget counselling for anyone who thinks they may be traumatised by the event... whether they were there or not !

[AlgyLacey]

And remember that since Kong is an endangered species we aren't allowed to shoot at him anyway!

[MayorJim]

Ken,
Did you use the rules that came off of BGG site/ ...if not, how'd you run this/ ...or, did you mod the rules from the BGG site...just curious...

[Jager]

Hey Ken,

Flash, AlgyLacey & I were having a discussion about this King Kong scenario over coffee at the convention today. We have some questions:

1. Has King Kong received his mandatory Health & Safety training for climbing tall buildings?
2. Will Fay Wray be wearing a hard hat?
3. Have the pilots been briefed in completing the Environmental Impact Report necessary after King Kong falls to the streets?

These are all important aspects that need to be addressed :)

Like this??

[The Cowman]

Hey Ken,

Flash, AlgyLacey & I were having a discussion about this King Kong scenario over coffee at the convention today. We have some questions:

1. Has King Kong received his mandatory Health & Safety training for climbing tall buildings?
2. Will Fay Wray be wearing a hard hat?
3. Have the pilots been briefed in completing the Environmental Impact Report necessary after King Kong falls to the streets?

These are all important aspects that need to be addressed :)


LOL!! :D :D That's hysterical!!


And don't forget counselling for anyone who thinks they may be traumatised by the event... whether they were there or not !


And remember that since Kong is an endangered species we aren't allowed to shoot at him anyway!


Like this??

You guys are killing me! I may end up having to change shorts before I manage to get my AAR posted!

[The Cowman]

Ken,
Did you use the rules that came off of BGG site/ ...if not, how'd you run this/ ...or, did you mod the rules from the BGG site...just curious...

There is a quick summary of the rules I used in my AAR: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?3900-Pictorial-AAR-Armoury-Games-vs.-Kong-Pickerington-Ohio-2-27-2011&highlight=kong (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?3900-Pictorial-AAR-Armoury-Games-vs.-Kong-Pickerington-Ohio-2-27-2011&highlight=kong)

There are also some kewl pictures there... It was a good playtest over all... I would like to try it a couple more times with different attacking forces to see how it works out. I might run it as an open event at Origins if time and energy allows!

[MayorJim]

Oh Yeah...running it at Origins would be a great idea!!!

[csadn]

http://schedule.gamestorm.org/sessions/165

Not the first time he's run this, actually.