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Oberst Hajj
11-12-2010, 04:20
Earlier this year a few of us were talking about a possible new Pilot Log book product. I really liked this idea, but I never had time to really pursue it. Over the last week or so it has been bouncing around in the back of my head again and I'd like to start nailing it down.

I would like for you guys to help me work out what all should be on it. My initial thoughts are that the finished product will be half letter sheet in size (8.5 x 5.5 inches). This should fit nicely into most of the side pockets on the bags out there (I'll make sure if fits the Ranger bags and any others that end up on the AA site).

Here is what I have for items that need to be on it so far:

Player's Info

Pilot's Name
Mission Date
Sortie Number
Health (for campaigns)
Plane flown


Opponent's Info

Opponent's Names
Pilot's Name
Plane Flown


Mission Stats

Kills
Shot Down
Forced Down (chased off)
KIA/POW
Retreated
Successful Recon
Targets Bombed
Targets Strafed


I'm looking at a faint background image on each page with information blocks "sitting on top of it". To conserve space, I'm thinking of placing check boxes next to each pilot's name for things like Shot Down, Retreated, etc. a Mission Objective block would have similar check boxes for targets bombed and the like. At the bottom of the page would be a notes section for writing down more detailed things from the mission.

The book would be bound and would have a nice cover with some artwork on it and possibly a clear plastic protective cover and thicker back.

Target price I would be shooting for would be less then $10.

Please give me your thoughts on what should be in it and any ideas you have for the layout.

Oberst Hajj
11-12-2010, 05:17
Here is a real quick MS Paint mock up of what I'm envisioning.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=180&pictureid=5699

Pope
11-12-2010, 06:16
I like the idea and think you have covered what is needed.
Cheers Aled

flash
11-12-2010, 07:53
Can see this would be useful esp in campaign type scenarios - Like the mock up, it looks like it's meant for more than one time use in which case I would suggest multi boxes for dates/sorties/aircraft types/health and more check boxes for retreated & shot down plus addition of WIA. I think the missions need expanding eg successful: escort; CAP; air superiority; Balloon busting etc
What I would like to see is something that's reuseable, if possible, like laminated pages in a small ring binder? ie something you can use dry wipe pens or wax pencils on.

The Cowman
11-12-2010, 10:16
Sounds Awesome!

Ed2
11-12-2010, 12:00
You might want to add Location fought or Battle location or the like..

And yes, I'd probably pick up a few.

If you could also make up a cheaper version to give away at demo games, it would be good bait to hook new players.

McKeever
11-12-2010, 14:15
I'd get a copy or two. Maybe you could make it a .pdf? I agree with Ed2, be a great giveaway at demos.

HardRock
11-12-2010, 15:11
4 x 6 large index cards would also work. Especially as handouts. You can get mini file boxes for them.

A small hard bound book would be cool, although I'd rotate the page 90 degrees. Back to portrait from landscape. Just my 2 cents.

Flying Officer Kyte
11-13-2010, 11:28
Looks very useful to me. Saves having lots of bits of paper about, like I have at present. I'd stick with Landscape.
Rob.

Doug
11-14-2010, 02:41
Excellent idea, as I don't know what pilot has done what! I all think I'll remember but don't!

Volant Gun
11-14-2010, 19:16
Great Idea Col!

Thanks again,
Frank.

Bruce
11-14-2010, 21:14
Good idea; some suggestions follow:
Add a place for the observer's name.
Add a place for the Pilot's and Observer's ACE and EXPERIENCE stats at time of the sortie.
Add a place for the Pilot's and Observer's ACE and EXPERIENCE skills at time of the sortie.
Add space to identify what ACE and/or EXPERIENCE skills have been earned/selected as a result of this sortie; or this could be written into the "Notes" space.

Some of us are "religious" about logging our aircrew's missions; but almost all of us track ACE and EXPERIENCE points and skills because we use the skills in game play. We are pretty casual about the structure of the logging thing but we expect each player that uses "SKILLS" to have some sort of "paper trail" that documents the pilot/observer's progression. We also encourage our players to "count" any/all games (not just league-play games) towards building these stats/histories.

The Cowman
11-14-2010, 21:44
I was just imagining this log bound in leather... and then I got even MORE drool on my keyboard. Keith you have to stop coming up with all this nifty potential stuff to spend my money on... ;)

Oberst Hajj
11-15-2010, 03:25
Good idea; some suggestions follow:
Add a place for the observer's name.
Add a place for the Pilot's and Observer's ACE and EXPERIENCE stats at time of the sortie.
Add a place for the Pilot's and Observer's ACE and EXPERIENCE skills at time of the sortie.
Add space to identify what ACE and/or EXPERIENCE skills have been earned/selected as a result of this sortie; or this could be written into the "Notes" space.

Some of us are "religious" about logging our aircrew's missions; but almost all of us track ACE and EXPERIENCE points and skills because we use the skills in game play. We are pretty casual about the structure of the logging thing but we expect each player that uses "SKILLS" to have some sort of "paper trail" that documents the pilot/observer's progression. We also encourage our players to "count" any/all games (not just league-play games) towards building these stats/histories.

Noted


I was just imagining this log bound in leather... and then I got even MORE drool on my keyboard. Keith you have to stop coming up with all this nifty potential stuff to spend my money on... ;)

Sorry, not going to happen, I want all this stuff too! :D

The Cowman
11-15-2010, 09:06
Noted

Sorry, not going to happen, I want all this stuff too! :D

LMAO! :cool: OK, OK... twist my arm....

MayorJim
11-19-2010, 16:43
Noted



Sorry, not going to happen, I want all this stuff too! :D

We can always bind them on our own...good idea.

RonaldRS
11-24-2010, 04:53
that would b nice to keep track!!!

pistonpopper
11-24-2010, 07:52
A few years back we did something similar. Basicly it was just a large roster with almost the same stuff your talking about, but it was on a large piece of foamcore board, & we had it hanging up above our playing area. We recorded kills by both pilot & observer, crashes, survivors, plane damage, etc. Looking back now I guess we were running a campaign of sorts. Back then we were "flying" 1/72 model kits, mounted on plastic long stemmed cocktail glasses, minus the cup part!

tonyc206
11-25-2010, 13:56
I've created a multi-page excel spreadsheet to keep track of pilots through my campaigns. I use one sheet for German Pilots, one for British Pilots and one to record the results of each mission. There is a final sheet that is a template for a combat record to record the data during a game.

I'm happy to share it if anyone is interested?

Aero825
12-17-2010, 18:21
Ooooh, aaaaah, the idea sounds great, I would love one. Try putting down lines for the places where you have to write. Always helps.

Hunter

Badin23
01-29-2011, 08:03
This may be a bit off topic but I am weighing in on this being a great idea. When my oldest son was little he was in scouts and we kept a model rocket flight journal, took pictures of the rockets we built and recorded all the flights, and disasters. I recently found it and shared it with him again and we chatted about 25 minutes about how much fun we had. If anyone has an older teenager you know that long positive conversations are rare. I recently introduced my 8 year old to the game so I'd definably pick up a few if available for te same reason.

Oberst Hajj
01-29-2011, 19:40
It's still in the works... just not enough time to push it through right now.

tonyc206
01-30-2011, 03:11
I've uploaded my campaign spread sheet to the files area

Combat Records (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=719)

Oberst Hajj
02-16-2011, 02:51
I've been working with Max Headroom to get some progress done on this project. He has designed the cover layouts for me and the actual log pages are being revised and tweaked.

I'd like you guys to give me some feed back on the title of some of the covers. Should we go with a translation or the official names of the different services:

Translation

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9190&d=1297852316

Official

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9191&d=1297852318

tuladin
02-16-2011, 04:55
If you want to translate it to German, I believe it would be "Logbuch."

Oberst Hajj
02-16-2011, 05:24
Yeah, we were just using the official names, not translating the whole text. I don't think I explained that very well. lol

tuladin
02-16-2011, 08:32
Possibly move the text slightly lower on the page like this?

9193

Ed2
02-16-2011, 08:40
Either way is O.K. but, I would think "Luftstreitkrafte" would appeal to our Germanic cousins more.

I'm not too wild about the out of focus Dr.1 (makes me feel like I should put my reading glasses on).

Flying Officer Kyte
02-16-2011, 23:39
I would go with the German version too. Anyone with an ounce of interest will be able to understand it.
Rob.

Canuck
02-18-2011, 03:11
I prefer the German version as well. Keith, would making the pages of the log perforated for tearing out cost significantly more? This would enable us to give the sheet away as a hook to new players at a CON or Tournament without having to give away a whole book.

Oberst Hajj
02-18-2011, 03:23
Not sure how much cost that would add. Could be a lot as it would limit where they could be printed up.

grumpybear
02-20-2011, 14:24
I really like all of it . grand idea . Another goody add to have to have list.

Oberst Hajj
02-20-2011, 19:19
Okay guys and gals, the design and layout of these are all done now. The next step is to source a place to have them made up.

Here are some final samples:

Front Cover

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9367&d=1298258038

Log page

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9365&d=1298257949

(this web image is a little fuzzy... the printed one is nice and crisp ;) )

I also still have to work out how many sheets will go into the books. They are double sided and the inside of the front and back covers are also printed as log pages. I think the number of pages will be determined by the cost to have them made up.

How many pages would you like to see in it?

Ed2
02-20-2011, 21:26
Depending on how thick the paper is, 20 to 25 double sided pages?

How many different log books are you going to make? So far you showed one each for the Germans and Brits.
Don't get mad but, any plans for the Italians, Russians, French,Turks, not to mention the Yanks?

Flying Officer Kyte
02-21-2011, 00:21
I concur with what Ed said vis pages. I think that the Italians, French, Belgians, and Americans should be included, once you see how sales go. the Yanks are a large market.
Rob.

Oberst Hajj
02-21-2011, 06:13
I was initially thinking 24 double side sheet plus the inside covers. That would allow you to record 50 sorties total per book. I think that would be a good compromise between thickness, expense and usability.

As for what nations I'll be doing:

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9391&d=1298297271

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9387&d=1298297258

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9388&d=1298297262

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9389&d=1298297265

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9390&d=1298297268

That is it for now. If sales are good and enough of you want a different nation, I'll consider having it made.

Flying Officer Kyte
02-21-2011, 07:08
Hi Col.
Would it not be better to have the British log with the title "Royal Flying Corps"
Rob..

Oberst Hajj
02-21-2011, 08:02
I don't know, would it? You Brits are the expert on this sort of thing. Bear in mind that these log books are geared towards WWI if it matters.

wargamer
02-21-2011, 08:13
Just a suggestion, but perhaps it might be easier to make up these sheets to fit into a notebook with clear outer sleeves, and 3 hole the logsheets to go into the notebook.


Then sell the sheets as covers, perhaps a aerodrome form for the back cover, and then sell the logsheets in 50 or 100 page sets.

Oberst Hajj
02-21-2011, 08:19
I was wanting these to be more like actual log books, but if I understand what you are saying, the basics of it are to offer these in such a way that you could add pages to them?

Ed2
02-21-2011, 08:27
Why not start a "Log Book pledge site" listing all countries. This way you'll get a good idea of which country and how many to publish. Be sure and have a multiple choice option for those of us that would like more than one country.

Ed2
02-21-2011, 08:38
I personally like your way Keith. It gives it a real era Log Book look, not just another binder on the table. And it's easier to fit into most transport cases.


I was wanting these to be more like actual log books, but if I understand what you are saying, the basics of it are to offer these in such a way that you could add pages to them?

wargamer
02-21-2011, 10:31
I was wanting these to be more like actual log books, but if I understand what you are saying, the basics of it are to offer these in such a way that you could add pages to them?

Well, there are various sizes of notebooks you could build, the normal 8.5" x 11", or smaller ones like the ones used in dayrunners or similar organizers. The real idea was that the sheets being looseleaf would be easier to make available to new players.

Adding pages would of course be a plus.

MayorJim
02-22-2011, 14:20
The idea, in general, seems fine. I'm not entirely sold on having a separate log book for each nationality though. The reason is: I like to fly planes of all nations...the number of log books I'd need could really add up. Perhaps the pages in the book could be sold as inserts while the "covers" could be interchangeable...or use the "covers" as inserts, similiar to different chapters in a binder? I don't have the answer, but the general concept seems good...just my thoughts...

Badin23
02-22-2011, 16:50
I love the idea, and so will my kids!

Oberst Hajj
02-22-2011, 22:40
The idea behind doing different nations was just to give flavor to them for those that wanted it. There is nothing stopping a single book from being used for different pilots. Each page has an area to list the pilot and plane type flow, so keeping track of different pilots in the same book should be pretty easy.

I'm still looking at the "notebook" idea, but honestly I'm leaning towards the logbook style.

Oberst Hajj
02-22-2011, 22:40
The idea behind doing different nations was just to give flavor to them for those that wanted it. There is nothing stopping a single book from being used for different pilots. Each page has an area to list the pilot and plane type flow, so keeping track of different pilots in the same book should be pretty easy.

I'm still looking at the "notebook" idea, but honestly I'm leaning towards the logbook style.

Flying Officer Kyte
02-23-2011, 01:07
I don't know, would it? You Brits are the expert on this sort of thing. Bear in mind that these log books are geared towards WWI if it matters.

Yes Col. It should be Royal Flying Corps until 1918, when it combined with the R.N.A.S. to become the R.A.F.
Rob.

Oberst Hajj
02-23-2011, 02:28
Noted and changed :)

Doug
02-23-2011, 03:54
One problem I see is that Canada, Australia and New Zealand are are at the moment considerd to be part of the RFC, not that I am knocking the RFC but the ANZAC's were not part of the British Army (I cannot speak for Canada as I don't know), my surgestion (although not technicaly correct) to use somthing like Imperial Royal Flying Corp. I don't know? Rob have you any idea what phrase to use that does not offend British members but satisfies us colonials. I know this is nit picking and would seem very futile but still one does have pride in one's own country.

Flying Officer Kyte
02-23-2011, 04:14
I can well see your point Alastair, and would not want to denigrate the stirling contribution that our colonies made to the war effort. in many theatres they in fact out performed our own troops. not only the ones you mention but also South African and troops from the Indian sub continent as well. I am only saying that I personally would want a log that said R.F.C. on it.
The Col may decide to do otherwise.
Rob.

Oberst Hajj
02-23-2011, 04:52
If I recall correctly, neither Canada or Australia flew under their own flags.

Dom S
02-23-2011, 05:42
Yeah; there was no independent NZ or Canadian air corps, and the Australian squadrons were "Royal Flying Corps" until 4th January 1918. Thus for anything prior to that date (ie. most of the war....), Royal Flying Corps is 100% historically correct....

"the ANZAC's were not part of the British Army"

Correct, but Aussie and NZ flyers weren't ANZACs.... They were RFC until Jan 1918, and then the Aussies became AFC, while Canadian and Kiwi flyers remained part of the RFC until 1st April, at which point it changed to the RAF, and they were part of that. Thus if you're going to pick one label as being correct for most people most of the time, RFC is it. Otherwise you end up needing 4 different - RFC, RNAS, RAF and AFC....

As for "Imperial Royal Flying Corps" - making up a non-existent name to fit everyone's sensibilities, when there's a historically accurate one that everybody *actually* flew under the title of for most of the war is, umm, let's not go there....

Dom.

Dom S
02-23-2011, 06:10
"One problem I see is that Canada, Australia and New Zealand are are at the moment considerd to be part of the RFC,"

Just like they were in 1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, and for many of them 1918, so for a WWI log book, the objection is...? (Sorry, I'm a big fan of the AFC (hence the Snipe decals....) but there's a risk of letting personal preference ride roughshod over actual history here....)

AlgyLacey
02-23-2011, 06:16
I am sure the huge numbers of Kiwis, Aussies, South Africans, Rhodesians, Irishmen, Indians, Canadians and Americans, Maltese, etc. who served, fought and flew with the RFC and later the RAF (be it Bomber Command, Fighter or Coastal Command) were most certainly not offended by being considered to be part of the RFC/RAF.

Please don't think me insensitive to modern sensibilities but I don't think you should be offended either. The Empire and Dominions and all that seems now to be regarded as entirely evil and exploitative in some corners (though this may just be in parts of Harare and among republicans) - I don't see it that way and neither did they. Be Proud - they - and by extension you - were involved in something magnificent and brave and appalling. Pray we will never have to send our sons to try to do the same.

Dave

Danrit
02-23-2011, 10:55
RFC seems sensible to me!

Doug
02-23-2011, 15:05
Thank you all for your views. After reading such I will have to admit that I am fussing about nothing and appologise for throwing a spanner in the works. IF it was good enough to have RFC on my Grandfarthers log book then it will be good enough for me.

AlgyLacey
02-24-2011, 00:51
To the bar!

Flying Officer Kyte
02-24-2011, 01:21
I was already in there Algy. Lets publish and be damned.
Kyte.

Baldrick62
02-24-2011, 05:39
Wings of Gold

Sorry to unzip this again. While I agree completely about Dominion and Commonwealth pilots serving in the RFC, in the same way as French Colonials served in the AM without taking offence, there is a sticky bit of inter-Service rivalry which isn't addressed.

The Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS) has a proud history as long as the RFC, and until the formation of the RAF in 1918 remained a separate , independent organisation. RNAS scout sqns were sent to the aid of the RFC in 1916/17, which I'm sure they were fond of reminding their Army brethren of the RFC! While the Australian Flying Corps was formed largely from ex-RFC personnel, some Australians continued to serve in the 'British' RAF, which is a different precedent to the Americans who has served with the AM prior to their country's entry into the war and then transferred across to the USAS.

Without offending Royal Patents by inventing some mythical title, and in the interest of inter-Service harmony, I'd suggest calling the combination of RNAS, RFC, AFC and RAF what they actually constituted - the 'British Air Services'.

Alternatively, give this a stiff ignoring and back to the bar... hurrah!

Ed2
02-24-2011, 12:59
I was already in there Algy. Lets publish and be damned.
Kyte.

Hear! Hear!

MayorJim
02-24-2011, 17:41
To the bar!

I'm 2 up already!

Oberst Hajj
03-02-2011, 02:59
I would like to use this poll to gauge interest in the Log Books that I have recently designed. While this is not a commitment to purchase any thing, I will be using it to help determine how many of each Log Book I should have made up.

You can vote on as many different ones as you like, and doing so will give me better insight into the demand of each one.

Here is what the finished product will look like:

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10034&d=1299211349

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10035&d=1299211351

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10036&d=1299211352

This is what each cover looks like:

1. German
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9191&d=1297852318

2. British
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9975&d=1299063091

3. US
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9388&d=1298297262

4. French
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9390&d=1298297268

5. Italian
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9389&d=1298297265

6. Belgium
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9391&d=1298297271

7. Russian
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9387&d=1298297258


The actual log pages look like this:

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9365&d=1298257949

Each Log Book will allow you to record a total of 50 sorties


Thank you for the help,

The Col.

Attila57
03-04-2011, 02:47
Col.,

really nice idea and graphics! :cool:

Only a correction for Italy logbook.

Corpo Aeronautico del Regio Esercito is the hystorical correct loogbook title because in 1913 the Servizio Aeronautico became Corpo Aeronautico Only in 1923 it became Regia Aeronautica

(a little lesson of italian ;): "eserciti" is the plural of "esercito" like Armies is the plural of Army)

Oberst Hajj
03-04-2011, 02:54
Thanks, we'll make the corrections on that one.

Flying Officer Kyte
03-04-2011, 03:52
There is at least one of each nation needed by me, excepting Russia, Col. However, I would need at least three British ones for my alter egos in the R.F.C. wouldn't we chaps. Yes sir we would like one each please. there you are Col. I was right.
Kyte.

(The poor chaps had too many flying hours I think.) M.O.
Rob.

Diamondback
03-04-2011, 16:20
Suggestion for added flavor: maybe translate "Log Book" into the official term in the appropriate language? (On the Russian, this could mean using Cyrillic lettering and translating in smaller font-size).

No love for the Austrians? They've got one whole plane more than the Belgians in Minis...LOL (I kid, though for completeness's sake they should be considered for a "Second Series", along with maybe the Reds.)

I'd consider all...

MayorJim
03-04-2011, 16:30
Suggestion for added flavor: maybe translate "Log Book" into the official term in the appropriate language? (On the Russian, this could mean using Cyrillic lettering and translating in smaller font-size).

No love for the Austrians? They've got one whole plane more than the Belgians in Minis...LOL (I kid, though for completeness's sake they should be considered for a "Second Series", along with maybe the Reds.)

I'd consider all...

A second series? Oh no! ...that would be like waiting for more minis to be released :DF

grumpybear
03-04-2011, 16:40
I voted for 3 but could use 1 at least of all. Cost would be only problem.

Diamondback
03-04-2011, 16:54
...and, before Firefox decided to start having problems with keyboard input and made me nuke the process and restart, I was about to say a digital version for those of us who like to run things via slightly more high-tech means could be cool too.

Boney10
03-05-2011, 03:44
Nice ones Col, for me around 3 or 4 for Germany & Brit, plus one of each for others, except never played with the Russian, in fact dont think he seen the light of day since putting him in the hangar :(

Flying Officer Kyte
03-05-2011, 06:33
Nice ones Col, for me around 3 or 4 for Germany & Brit, plus one of each for others, except never played with the Russion, in fact dont think he seen the light of day since putting him in the hangar :(

Do you think we shoule institute a W.o.W. international Kibanov day, were we all get ouy his plane and splitarse all over the table with it.
Rob.

Oberst Hajj
03-05-2011, 06:47
LOL, maybe we should have an international contest. Everyone get the Russian log book and plays Kibanov as often as they can for 6 months (unless he dies according to the KotA rules). Keep track of his sorties and whoever is able to beat the real Kebanov's record and the rest of the contestants records, wins a prize.

Flying Officer Kyte
03-05-2011, 06:51
Could do wonders for sales of Kibanov planes, to say nothing of shifting that warehouse of Russian style log books that you are going to have hanging about for the next five years Col.
Rob.:rolleyes:

Oberst Hajj
03-05-2011, 06:54
As it is looking now, there most likely will not be any Russian log books laying around... anywhere.

Gladius
03-05-2011, 07:03
At least 1 each of German, British, and American, please. Actually, 2 each, to include the nine year old pilot in the family.

Boney10
03-05-2011, 07:33
The SWMBO has just seen this thread and taken Kibanov out of his hanger, googled him to see exactly what was the markings on the side of his plane as they looked like someone had slipped with the paintbrush (sigh). That endeth his mission and now back in his hanger

MayorJim
03-05-2011, 16:32
The SWMBO has just seen this thread and taken Kibanov out of his hanger, googled him to see exactly what was the markings on the side of his plane as they looked like someone had slipped with the paintbrush (sigh). That endeth his mission and now back in his hanger

Yep, the Lt. Col. at my place seems to pick her planes based on color schemes...I kind of like Kibanov's comet though.

Ed2
03-05-2011, 19:16
As it is looking now, there most likely will not be any Russian log books laying around... anywhere.

I'll take two maybe three. I would like to see them with Cyrillic style lettering.

The Cowman
03-05-2011, 21:30
They look great Keith, depending on the price point, I could see myself ordering in quantity and reselling them to my flight members to use (at no profit to me)

grumpybear
03-06-2011, 06:12
I could use a Russian one. I have a friend who is into all things Russian but not WoW . Hoping to convince him to play Russians.

Boney10
03-06-2011, 07:25
Hurrah Kibanov will fly, although the marking on his plane is supposed to be a , believe it or not, a horses head !! well that was the pic my SWMBO googled (bigger sigh)

Nipotra Paul
03-08-2011, 01:53
Good morning Col.,
Congratulations for the job, but I would want export some observations to you.
Why don't you try to make to resemble the log book to a book / brevet for the military flight?, with a graphics similar to that of the epoch. Inserting a space for the photo, for a signature of the commander.......etc I don't know if I succeed in explaining me goods in English, but I try there
Is it not possible to insert the Log Book in the personal profile in the forum? where victories and defeats are transcribed only concerning "military campaign", national tournaments, games on line.

Paolo

Oberst Hajj
03-08-2011, 03:31
Hello Paolo, thanks for the suggestions on the log books. I think a page showing a photo and other "fluff" type of stuff would be nice too. However, each separate page adds to the cost of the books. Pages that only get printed once per book, like a "fluff" page, cost even more since the quantity printed is so low.

I have give some thought to adding stats to the site. It would require custom coding that is not always cheap. I would need to work out exactly how it would work here on the site and get the layout perfect before allocating any money to it. It is some thing I will continue to think about... but that discussion is for a different thread.

Snowy
03-08-2011, 10:06
Here is my input.
I love this and the artwork is very nice.
My suggestion is to go more generic. The binding could be different to allow expandability. This would allow for a 'PAC' of several logs, and then 'Refill' pacs of generic pages. This would address the cost issue and make everyone happy.
I could see myself purchasing a collectable binder (another idea) that the logbooks could be kept in.
Just my two cents worth.
Any way they come, I will be buying though and probably at least one of each.
Great idea!
Cheers!
Erin

Oberst Hajj
03-16-2011, 04:44
Alright guys, the German, British, US, and French logs books have been sent to the printers to be made up. I'm expecting them around the end of next week.

I had to cut the other countries, at least on this initial order due to lack of interest in them. Running small quantities of them would drive the cost of all of the books up. I would be willing to run group buys on these other countries if some of you want to do that in order to get them.

Flying Officer Kyte
03-16-2011, 04:53
Thanks Col. I looks as if I will be running up a very big bill with you once the stands come back into stock. Would you like me to send you a rundown of all the pre order or shall I just pay for each item as it becomes available and you keep it for me until everything is back in stock, and you can send it all in one parcel?
Rob.

MayorJim
03-21-2011, 12:34
Good news, thanks...just waiting on them to come in...

Oberst Hajj
03-23-2011, 02:20
The log books are up on the site for ordering now!

Flying Officer Kyte
03-23-2011, 03:49
I am in there Col.

Hunter
03-31-2011, 01:17
I am in there Col.

Me too!

Flying Officer Kyte
04-05-2011, 03:20
The log books arrived here in Blighty this morning Col. They are all that I could have wished for when we discussed the idea last year. I will be re ordering some more shortly. They are going to be really useful once KOTA kicks off.
Rob.

Oberst Hajj
04-05-2011, 03:43
Glad you liked them Rob, I'm very happy with how they came out.

Hunter
04-05-2011, 23:31
Ordered German and USA books. Was informed today they are on the way! Looking forward to receiving them.

Hunter
04-08-2011, 16:08
Got 'em! They're great, Col.! I'll be ordering some more in the near future!

Bruce
04-08-2011, 19:31
I just ordered 1 Brit, 1 French and 1 German; I'm sure they will be well received by our group and additional orders will follow.
Thanks Col. H

Oberst Hajj
04-08-2011, 22:26
Glad you like them Terry!