Curtiss SBC-4 Helldiver

[clipper1801]

Saw this posted on another thread and went right to ecardmodels.com and bought the download. Way cool model, reduced it to 1/200" scale and printed it off! Yummy!

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Paper%20models/20160406_184203_zpsk5vaob6i.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/Paper%20models/20160406_184203_zpsk5vaob6i.jpg.html)

Kampfflieger does an amazing job for $8! Now if there were just something good to play in the background on tv - oh yeah, DIVE BOMBER!

[Gotham Resident]

Paper elves? :sAprvd: Glad you liked the link.
I can't wait to see the repaints. :D

[clipper1801]

This one is quite fun and fast . . .

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Paper%20models/20160406_212000_zpscd3yhg3o.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/Paper%20models/20160406_212000_zpscd3yhg3o.jpg.html)

So far so good . . .

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Paper%20models/20160406_213348_zpsgs7wjgzv.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/Paper%20models/20160406_213348_zpsgs7wjgzv.jpg.html)

Gotta let it dry for a bit . . .

[clipper1801]

Okay then, let's get into some action!

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Paper%20models/20160406_231259_zpss8fi65dv.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/Paper%20models/20160406_231259_zpss8fi65dv.jpg.html)

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Paper%20models/20160406_231305_zpsjuew4pso.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/Paper%20models/20160406_231305_zpsjuew4pso.jpg.html)

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Paper%20models/20160406_231319_zpsavzlxfdr.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/Paper%20models/20160406_231319_zpsavzlxfdr.jpg.html)

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Paper%20models/20160406_231357_zpskybvf32s.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/Paper%20models/20160406_231357_zpskybvf32s.jpg.html)

Now to learn from my mistakes, card stock thicknesses at the wing center section joins, better to do a butt join. More time between operations, stiffer card for cabane struts, make upper wing one piece. Now to run off enough for a carrier . . .

[Blackronin]

This one looks wonderful, Dave.
And such a fast build.

[Gotham Resident]

Wow, that looks great.

[clipper1801]

This one looks wonderful, Dave.
And such a fast build.

Some paper designs are so well done they are fast, others not so . . . I am thinking I need some contemporary models so I can rearm my Hornet with these very colorful birds, gotta do some research . . .

[Jager]

Some paper designs are so well done they are fast, others not so . . . I am thinking I need some contemporary models so I can rearm my Hornet with these very colorful birds, gotta do some research . . .

For fighter, probably Grumman F3F-3s, as I can't find any reference to the Hornet getting Buffalos.
And the TBD devastator for torpedo work.
Karl

[Dom S]

VT-8 were still getting Devastators delivered at the very beginning of '42, while VB-8 and VS-8 had SBC-4s (until they got Dauntlesses in March '42), and VF-8 had F4F-3s from formation in September '41. They struggled for aircraft though, starting out with just a handful of Wildcats followed by a batch of hand-me-downs from VF-5. VF-8's strength by early December '41 was still just 10 Wildcats and a single North American Texan trainer. When Hornet first actually embarked her air group (23rd December '41) it was:

VF-8 - 19 F4F-3, 2 F4F-3A, 2 SNJ-3 Texans.
VB-8 - 19 SBC-4s.
VS-8 - 20 SBC-4s.
VT-8 - Not sure of exact numbers when they embarked, but as of 7th December they had 7 SBN-1s (which weren't even torpedo bombers, but gave them something to fly) and 8 TBD-1s. By March '42 they had a full set of Devastators.

Note that this is all well after the yellow wings though - they disappeared in February '41, well before Hornet was commissioned. If you squint a bit and pretend she's the Yorktown or Enterprise, obviously you open up lots of pre-war possibilities. :)

Source: Mostly from "The First Team" with a bit of Google, especially this page: http://bluejacket.com/ww2_12-07-41_carriers.html

[clipper1801]

Thanks Dom! So it looks like the Hornet was put in service after the yellow wings were eliminated, no fun! I want a carrier with the deck full of yellow wings! It would be so cool! So might have to switch carriers to Saratoga or Lexington? Hoping to field a deck of F3F's, maybe a few F4F's, SBC's and maybe some early Devastators . . . more research . . .

[Dom S]

No numbers embarked, but here are the air group "mixes" for the pre-war carriers (as well as lots of profiles if you click on the aircraft types) - up to February '41 was the yellow wings era.

Yorktown - http://www.wings-aviation.ch/24-Naval-Wings/1922/Air%20Group%20Yorktown.htm
Enterprise - http://www.wings-aviation.ch/22-USNavy-Carrier/Fleet-Carrier/CV-06-USS-Enterprise.htm
(Obviously Hornet was at least related to these two, so if you want to avoid another 4 foot long piece of madness, pretend she's her half-sister.... ;) )

Lexington - http://www.wings-aviation.ch/22-USNavy-Carrier/Fleet-Carrier/CV-02-USS-Lexington.htm
Saratoga - http://www.wings-aviation.ch/22-USNavy-Carrier/Fleet-Carrier/CV-03-USS-Saratoga.htm

Note they generally had SBC-3s rather than SBC-4s, but most of the difference was engine, so I doubt you can tell the difference in 1/200.... Looks like F3Fs and F4Fs never mixed (although Saratoga did have a mix of F3Fs and Buffaloes in 1940) but otherwise any of the 1939-1940 air groups should suit you.

[clipper1801]

Just pulled out my book I used to build the Yorktown, lots of goodies . . .

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/2013%20new%20wow/Carriers/20160411_154555_zpsqcgzqrnn.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/2013%20new%20wow/Carriers/20160411_154555_zpsqcgzqrnn.jpg.html)

This should help! Been here before . . .

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/2013%20new%20wow/Carriers/20141119_141004_zpsskdal1js.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/Revchaos/media/2013%20new%20wow/Carriers/20141119_141004_zpsskdal1js.jpg.html)

[Dom S]

Nutter.... :p I do like Chesneau's books though....

[Jager]

Nutter.... :p I do like Chesneau's books though....

Yeh, that's our Clipper alright :)
Karl

[Blackronin]

Now... I want yellow wings... So I'll build an entire carrier... I'm like that for detail. sir... :)

[clipper1801]

So what were the Japanese flying in the late 30's?

[fast.git]

So what were the Japanese flying in the late 30's?

Depends upon how late in the 1930s we're talking...

The B5N "Kate" flew during the Sino-Japanese war (1937-), as did the G3M "Nell" twin-engined bomber. The Mitsubishi A5M "Claude" was replaced by the 'Zero' in 1940, but served with both the Army and Navy.

I know there were others, but I'll have to take a look to confirm.

[clipper1801]

Thanks, I found them on Shapeways and will begin a new build . . . Yorktown and Enterprise Ho!

[fast.git]

Other Imperial Japanese Army aircraft would include:
Mitsubishi Ki-21 "Sally" or "Gwen" twin-engine bomber
Mitsubishi Ki-30 "Ann" light bomber (first with a modern radial engine)
Kawasaki Ki-32 "Mary" light bomber

And some IJN aircraft...
Nakajima A4N carrier-based fighter
Aichi D1A "Susie" carrier-based dive bomber

[clipper1801]

Thanks! The game is afoot!

[fast.git]

Thanks! The game is afoot!

Cool. :)

[Jager]

Looks like the only one on this list that we don't have unofficial stats for is the Mary.
Be warned, though: it's going to be a slow moving game ;)
Karl