Official Mitsubishi G4M2 Betty painting thread

[Teaticket]

1/200 AIM Mitsubishi G4M2 Betty bombers with Keith's spinning props.

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[Captain Chum]

Highly detailed work Peter......amazing!

[Stumptonian]

More really nice work.
:thumbsup:

I don't suppose one could hire your talents ?
:surrender:

[OldGuy59]

There are some things that go with such a nice plane...

Aerodrome Accessories - Flight Stand - G4M Betty (http://www.aerodromeaccessories.com/index.php/flight-stands/wwii/g4m-betty-flight-stand.html)

OldGuy59's WWII Japanese Bombers Album - Mitsubishi G4M2 Mk22 'Betty' (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/album.php?albumid=3582&attachmentid=182502)

[flash]

Shiny ! :thumbsup:

[Nachtschwärmer]

Lovely. Peter, do you have side-by-side photos with fighters for size comparising?

[Teaticket]

There are some things that go with such a nice plane...

Aerodrome Accessories - Flight Stand - G4M Betty (http://www.aerodromeaccessories.com/index.php/flight-stands/wwii/g4m-betty-flight-stand.html)

OldGuy59's WWII Japanese Bombers Album - Mitsubishi G4M2 Mk22 'Betty' (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/album.php?albumid=3582&attachmentid=182502)

Thanks Mike. I remember when you did the great cards and the bases came out. A good reminder for me to print these and order some bases!

[Teaticket]

Lovely. Peter, do you have side-by-side photos with fighters for size comparising?

I don't have any fighters with me today but I'll post a comparison photo with a Zero Monday night.

[Blackronin]

Once again amazing work, Peter! My REP guns are empty...

[Teaticket]

Once again amazing work, Peter! My REP guns are empty...

Thanks. You do shoot a lot!

[Teaticket]

Lovely. Peter, do you have side-by-side photos with fighters for size comparising?

Here is a Wings Zero next to the AIM G4M2 Betty.

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[Gotham Resident]

I don't suppose one could hire your talents ?
:surrender:
Yeah, that is great! I love the smoke discoloration over the wings!

[Franco Lucchini]

Beautiful work Peter!

Nice weathering too, or did you handle the plane too early?:p

Seriously though, did you paint the weathering effects on afterwards, or use a masking/salt effect?

[Teaticket]

Beautiful work Peter!

Nice weathering too, or did you handle the plane too early?:p

Seriously though, did you paint the weathering effects on afterwards, or use a masking/salt effect?

This one I did afterwards. I painted a couple of Zeros (there is a thread in the hobby section 'HERE' (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?21769-Mitsubishi-A6M3&highlight=mitsubishi)) where I first painted them silver. and then covered them with green. A rough scrub pad action on the green gave a nice effect but I had little control so this time I tried a different route to get the peeled/worn paint look. Not sure which I like better. Afterwards is easier as I didn't have to paint the plane twice! Maybe next time I'll
try masking/salt technique.
The engine staining is dry brushed on.

[Teaticket]

More really nice work.
:thumbsup:

I don't suppose one could hire your talents ?
:surrender:

There is a price for everything, right?:)

[Nachtschwärmer]

Here is a Wings Zero next to the AIM G4M2 Betty.

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Impressive. :)

[Schlonz]

Not my cup of tea, but the glass effect on the canopies and the weathering are top notch.

[grumpybear]

1/200 AIM Mitsubishi G4M2 Betty bombers with Keith's spinning props.

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Wonderful work

[Lt. S.Kafloc]

Really nice Peter. Your Pacific collection is growing.

[matt56]

Beautiful bombers, Peter - not my cup of tea, per se, as I've no real interest in the Pacific Theater, but the Betties are gorgeous!

All the best,
Matt

[Stumptonian]

There is a price for everything, right?:)

Emma Chizzit? ;)

[Blackronin]

These are my two G4M1 Bettys.
They're AIM.

Photos and edition by Camille.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194779&d=1461873976

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194780&d=1461873978

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194781&d=1461873979

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194782&d=1461873981

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194783&d=1461873982

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194784&d=1461873983

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194785&d=1461873985

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194786&d=1461873986

[Jager]

Interesting; some pics they look black; others they look green (one top view is green w/ black cowlings :confused:
Karl

[Blackronin]

Interesting; some pics they look black; others they look green (one top view is green w/ black cowlings :confused:
Karl

One is a black and white photo.
They're green. One has black cowlings.

[Franco Lucchini]

Reflecting an old thread, but a serious enough question...

Would they come in black for night bombing missions?

:takecover:

[Teaticket]

Nice work Joaquim, REP! Looks like they need an escort....a Black escort! (darn REP guns are jammed!...later)

[Blackronin]

Reflecting an old thread, but a serious enough question...

Would they come in black for night bombing missions?

:takecover:

You....

[Blackronin]

Nice work Joaquim, REP! Looks like they need an escort....a Black escort! (darn REP guns are jammed!...later)

Thanks, my friend.
We'll have to do it, right?

As soon as I finish some special planes, ;) the new WW2 diceless deck for solo play and some work at home I'll prepare the mini campaign for the Black Zeros.

[Teaticket]

Can't wait! You'll have to let me know what planes I'll need for this mini campaign. I'm working on 4 Oscars at the moment and some Dauntless Dive Bombers.

[Blackronin]

Tarawa!!

Americans:
(You don't need all of them)

Widcats and/or P-40's
Dauntless
B-25's and/or B-17's

Japanese:
Black A6M5 Zeros
Vals
Betties
Ki-43's and/or K-61's

Soon the details.

[Captain Chum]

Rep gun is jammed at the moment but nice work on the Betty's mate! :sAprvd:

[Blackronin]

Rep gun is jammed at the moment but nice work on the Betty's mate! :sAprvd:

Thanks Kelly!

[Teaticket]

Interesting; some pics they look black; others they look green (one top view is green w/ black cowlings :confused:
Karl

As Father Ted would say, "A very very very very dark green".
Followed by Dougal, "Yes, a very very very very VERY dark green".

[miscmini]

AIM now offers the G4M1 as well as the G4M2 Betty. The G4M1 model below is from the 752 Kokutai while the G4M2 is from the 721 Kokutai. Decals are from Miscellaneous Miniatures, LLC. Kevin

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[Captain Chum]

Nice work Kevin :thumbsup:

[Blackronin]

Excellent, Kevin.

[Teaticket]

Beauties Kevin. Thanks for the heads up on the decals.

[Dak21]

My first rendition of a G4M2 Betty. I decided to try the “deep dark green” from Vallejo.

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[Shadowcat]

Hmmm...got a AIM version on a shelf around here someplace. Gonna hafta slap some paint on it soon I guess.

[Stumptonian]

My first rendition of a G4M2 Betty. I decided to try the “deep dark green” from Vallejo.

Looks great, Dave
:sAprvd:

[Dak21]

Here is the whole family all together now and ready for a raid in the Southwest pacific somewhere.

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[Flying Helmut]

Great job, Dave! :clap:

[Teaticket]

Looking great Dave. Can't wait to target them! ;)

[Dak21]

Thanks guys. Now I have to paint some Zeroes in a land based color scheme to escort them. I look forward to seeing them run the gauntlet and drop their payloads on the high value targets assigned. I got much braver weathering #25 and #26. The lighting does not show the aluminum dry brushing very well. There is quite a bit more of it than you can see in the picture. A few more of these Japanese planes and I think I’ll have the weathering the way I want it. I’m trying to show the very thin paint, and it is a hard thing to do.

[Baxter]

Don't you love family gatherings. :)

Make sure you post an AAR when you fly your mission. Looking forward to seeing those birds in action.

[Dak21]

Here is a flight of AIM G4M1 Bettys.

The all green was airbrushed with Mr. Color Dark Green (Mitsubishi), C-124. Panel lines are in black, using Flory Model Wash. Weathering was done using Wilder oil paints, LS01 Black, LS04 Light Buff, and LS33 Olive Green. I was very pleased with the subtle weathering and panel lines which can’t be seen in the picture due to poor lighting, crappy camera, and an unskilled operator of said camera.

The Kumogota scheme camo were airbrushed with Mr. Color Sand Yellow, C-119 and C-124 as above. These were panel lined with Flory Models Wash, brown. Very light weathering as above.

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[malachi]

Fantastic, Dave! Those are beautiful.

[Stumptonian]

Dave, you are amassing quite the collection of excellent Japanese aircraft.
:sAprvd:

[Dak21]

Thanks guys. I have really been enjoying painting Japanese planes. I have about 15 or so more to go before moving back to British, Dutch and early American planes involved in the air war from the first few months of the war. The great thing about Japanese planes is there were very few standard camo patterns, so you have lots of artistic freedom. Some of their planes looked like they were painted by an artist, and some looked like they handed a four year old a can of spray paint and said "go for it sonny boy!".

[Flying Helmut]

Pretty "Betty"s! :clap:

REP guns jammed...............

[Dak21]

I'm working up the cards for the G4M1's above and was wondering what you all think of the firing arcs. They are a lot of work to do, so I thought I would check in and see if anyone had any opinions or information to share. What do you think?

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[Dak21]

Here is the full card for G4M1 Frame #1 R-364

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[Stumptonian]

Nice job, Dave.
Thanks for showing us a little of how you do it tonight.
:sAprvd:

[Dak21]

Glad you like them Pete. Good gaming with you tonight!

Here are the other two in case anyone choses to paint similar planes;

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[malachi]

Great cards! Thanks, Dave.

[Dak21]

Here are the management cards for the above G4M1s.
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[OldGuy59]

I'm working up the cards for the G4M1's above and was wondering what you all think of the firing arcs. They are a lot of work to do, so I thought I would check in and see if anyone had any opinions or information to share. What do you think?

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From the Unofficial Stats Committee (USC) V1.0 'Gunnery Arcs' file:

Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty:
Front gun: 10:00 to 2:00, A/A;
Dorsal gun: 4:00 to 8:00 high only A/A;
Left waist gun: 7:00 to 10:00 A/A;
Right waist gun: 2:00 to 5:00 A/A;
Tail gun: straight line 6:00 high to low C/B.

The above card follows the info pretty well.


Here is the full card for G4M1 Frame #1 R-364

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Not sure what you are doing with the card directly above, but it exceeds the USC G4M1 arcs for the left and right waist positions. Also, you have the arc indicators split, and that shouldn't be done, as it could cause confusion, and needlessly clutters up the card. If you are worried about the fill/shading of the arc being over the plane, I put a separate layer under the plane image with the arc fill there, so as to not obscure the plane image. The firing arc boundary lines and the arc between them are on a layer over the plane image to have them stand out.

FYI: I have had discussions with members of the USC about overwing arcs of fire. Yes, they did fire at planes over the wings. It was done. However, within the game mechanics of WoG, as well as considering and that waist gunners could hit lower and upper targets, for simplicity, the arcs are limited as between the wings and empennage.

Also, so that bombers aren't nearly impossible to fight against, IIRC the discussion.

[Dak21]

Hi Mike,

As you’ve inferred, the shaded area is meant to show firing at any level, and clear area at higher targets only. I got the idea for above wing fire from this post which talked a lot about the Betty;

https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?18186-Mitsubishi-G4M2-Betty&highlight=Betty

It seemed to make sense to me and everyone seemed in accord with the idea there. I wasn’t aware of the unofficial arcs file. I’ll have to check that out.

Thanks for your input.

[OldGuy59]

Hi Mike,

As you’ve inferred, the shaded area is meant to show firing at any level, and clear area at higher targets only. I got the idea for above wing fire from this post which talked a lot about the Betty;

https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?18186-Mitsubishi-G4M2-Betty&highlight=Betty

It seemed to make sense to me and everyone seemed in accord with the idea there. I wasn’t aware of the unofficial arcs file. I’ll have to check that out.

Thanks for your input.

Dave,
Looks like I missed that discussion completely. I do note that two members of the USC were contributors to the thread, but did not comment on the firing arcs. The file for Unofficial Planes is, however, dated a year later, and doesn't include overwing firing arcs.

Your choice, as it is your card. I'd still consider a combined arc with solid boundaries and indicating arc, with a dotted line and no undershading for the overwing area, perhaps.

FYI:
In the past, I have brought up historical depictions of firing arcs, like the below image:
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If you look at the "posssible" firing arc depicted, there shouldn't be a 'blindspot' behind a Ju.87, as the empennage isn't big enough to stop a gunner from shooting some part of a tailing plane. For simplicity in game mechanics, we aren't allowed to shoot planes at short range through the empennage, and the same reasoning, AFAIK, is used for overwing shots.

[Dak21]

Here are cards that comply with the USC for those who may prefer them.

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