They arrived, cleaning and painting updates as I proceed

[Lord_Ninja]

Look what came in the mail today! I have two of each but just took this quick pic to give an idea of what they look like.184744184745

[Naharaht]

The look good, Lucas. Inventing a manoeuvre deck for a Harrier will be challenge, if you want it to be able to Vector in Flight, hover and fly backwards.

[Lord_Ninja]

I am just going to give it the "L" deck until something better comes along

[OldGuy59]

The look good, Lucas. Inventing a manoeuvre deck for a Harrier will be challenge, if you want it to be able to Vector in Flight, hover and fly backwards.

You could use something like the Vertical Dive marker and a stall card? The Harrier wouldn't necessarily need to move when the card is planned/played. Or, alternatively, you could move the Harrier in any direction the pilot wishes, the length of the stall?

PS: You could repeat the Vertical Dive marker several times, if you wished, as it wouldn't be a "steep" maneuver for the Harrier.

PPS: Plan a slow straight, then a stall (not considered a "steep" maneuver, it is just deceleration), then the Vertical Dive marker with any card. When revealed, it is the pilot's choice to move a stall card distance in the forward direction or stay still. Next card with a Vertical Dive marker can be stationary, or move in any direction the distance of the stall. When the pilot wants to transition to forward flight, he plans a slow straight, with a Slow Speed marker. Thereafter, forward flight as per the rules, and any advanced/optional rules on acceleration.

PPPS: After the first phase stationary, the pilot can turn the jet in any direction up to 90 degrees per phase, instead of moving in any direction the length of the stall. So, if the pilot wishes, he could transition to stationary, turn 180 degrees in two cards, then transition to forward flight. How about that for an Immelmann!

PPPS: Is this a starting point for helicopters? I think it might be...

[tikkifriend]

Helicopters :clap: :clap:

[Tonx]

Helicopters :clap: :clap:

:sAprvd: VTOL in general is :clap: :clap: from me and the person who masters the manoeuver deck for VTOL aircraft is a true pioneer.

SHED Models who came to the TOTS Event at Midland Air Museum produce a few helicopter types in 1/200 scale - classics too like the Westland Whirlwind. TOTS by the way was The One True Scale and was held in October last year.

[Tonx]

PS: Lucas - LOVE the F-8 Crusader :minis: to the bottom right of your line up! Which colours will this aircraft carry: US or French Navy? :)

[Foz]

You could use something like the Vertical Dive marker and a stall card? The Harrier wouldn't necessarily need to move when the card is planned/played. Or, alternatively, you could move the Harrier in any direction the pilot wishes, the length of the stall?

PS: You could repeat the Vertical Dive marker several times, if you wished, as it wouldn't be a "steep" maneuver for the Harrier.

PPS: Plan a slow straight, then a stall (not considered a "steep" maneuver, it is just deceleration), then the Vertical Dive marker with any card. When revealed, it is the pilot's choice to move a stall card distance in the forward direction or stay still. Next card with a Vertical Dive marker can be stationary, or move in any direction the distance of the stall. When the pilot wants to transition to forward flight, he plans a slow straight, with a Slow Speed marker. Thereafter, forward flight as per the rules, and any advanced/optional rules on acceleration.

PPPS: After the first phase stationary, the pilot can turn the jet in any direction up to 90 degrees per phase, instead of moving in any direction the length of the stall. So, if the pilot wishes, he could transition to stationary, turn 180 degrees in two cards, then transition to forward flight. How about that for an Immelmann!

PPPS: Is this a starting point for helicopters? I think it might be...

Remember a Harrier is a VSTOL, not VTOL plane.
It can't take off vertically over a certain load, and I'm sure it can't sustain a hover as well over a certain load.
I would have to dig for numbers.

Otherwise a very interesting take on aircraft capable of hovering.

[Tonx]

Of course ... Steve :sAprvd: I agree with you on the above. In which case the same will apply to the Russian Yak-38 Forger if the game ever gets that far.

Explains the need for Through Deck Cruisers in the Royal Navy such as the Invincible Class vessels.

[Foz]

Of course ... Steve :sAprvd: I agree with you on the above. In which case the same will apply to the Russian Yak-38 Forger if the game ever gets that far.

Explains the need for Through Deck Cruisers in the Royal Navy such as the Invincible Class vessels.

Not so much the through deck, but the ski ramp. Same as for the F35C on the new carriers, and the Kuznetsov-class aircraft carriers.

[OldGuy59]

Remember a Harrier is a VSTOL, not VTOL plane.
It can't take off vertically over a certain load, and I'm sure it can't sustain a hover as well over a certain load.
I would have to dig for numbers.

Otherwise a very interesting take on aircraft capable of hovering.
I based the above suggestions on an engine test flight and capability demonstration I saw at CFB Cold Lake many years ago. The flight included what I referred to at the time as a dance in the air, with a bow to the crowd at the end. It was amazing watching the pilot put this "jet" through helicopter-like moves. At one point, he literally did a nose stand, holding the plane in place over the taxiway.

Also, based on NATO and Maple Flag exercise anecdotes from RAF pilots flying interdiction missions, they described dropping into small clearings in wooded areas, and then popping up to shoot at passing/pursuing aircraft. So, they would not be heavily loaded with bombs and rockets, but Sidewinders (occasionally, with mods) and bullets. Yes, GR.1s and GR.3s were primarily ground attack, but we are talking an air combat game. Sea Harriers and AV-8s are different, yet again, with different capabilities.

And, I wasn't covering the entire flight profile of all the versions of the plane, in all mission types, with all weapons load-outs, guys. I was just suggesting a possible way to represent transitioning to, and from, level flight. But, we could start a thread? It is worth the discussion, especially if we want helicopters, with CAP escorts, against ground targets. Vietnam War, US Air Cavalry vs Viet-Cong. Lots of opportunities for scenarios. We can use current decks to fudge this, though.

PS: V-22 Osprey?

[Lord_Ninja]

PS: Lucas - LOVE the F-8 Crusader :minis: to the bottom right of your line up! Which colours will this aircraft carry: US or French Navy? :)

I have two of each plane. One is going to be based on VF-111 pilot Lieutenant Tony Nargi and the other a Filipino F-8.