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Oberst Hajj
10-10-2014, 12:20
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Phoenix D.I
From Wiki
General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 6.65 m (21 ft 9¾ in)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31 ft 11¾ in)
Height: 2.80 m (9 ft 2¼ in)
Gross weight: 805 kg (1775 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Hiero 6-cylinder inline piston, 149 kW (200 hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 180 km/h (112 mph)
Endurance: 2 hours 0 min
Service ceiling: 6000 m (19,685 ft)

Armament

2 x Synchronised fixed forward-firing 8 mm Schwarzlose machine guns

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Nieuport 11

Data from "The Worlds Greatest Aircraft"

General characteristics

Crew: one, pilot
Length: 5.8 m (19 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 7.55 m (24 ft 9 in)
Height: 2.4 m (7 ft 10.5 in)
Wing area: 13 m² (140 ft²)
Empty weight: 344 kg (759 lb)
Loaded weight: 480 kg (1,058 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 550 kg (1,213 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Le Rhone 9C nine-cylinder air-cooled rotary engine, 59.6 kW (80 hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 156 km/h (97 mph)
Range: 330 km (205 miles)
Service ceiling: 4,600 m (15,090 ft)
Rate of climb: 15 mins to 3,000 m (9,840 ft)
Power/mass: 1.49 kW/kg (0.09 hp/lb)

Armament

1 × Hotchkiss or Lewis machine gun

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Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter (Two Seater / Comic Fighter)

Data from British Aeroplanes 1914-18

General characteristics

Crew: two, pilot and observer
Length: 25 ft 3 in (7.70 m)
Wingspan: 33 ft 6 in (10.21 m)
Height: 10 ft 3 in (3.12 m)
Wing area: 346 ft² (32.16 m²)
Empty weight: 1,305 lb (593 kg)
Loaded weight: 2,149 lb (975 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 2,150 lb (977 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Clerget 9B rotary engine, 130 hp (97 kW)

Performance

Maximum speed: 100 mph (87 knots, 161 km/h) at 6,500 ft (1,980 m)
Endurance: 3¾ hours
Service ceiling: 15,500 ft (4,730 m)
Climb to 6,500 ft (1,980 m): 9 min 10 s

Armament

Guns:
1 × .303 in (7.7 mm) forward-firing synchronised Vickers machine gun
1 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Lewis gun in observer's cockpit
Bombs: Up to 130 lb (60 kg) bombs


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Albatros C.III

From Wiki

General characteristics

Crew: two
Length: 8.0 m (26 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 11.69 m (38 ft 4 in)
Height: 3.10 m (10 ft 2 in)
Wing area: 36.91 m² (397 ft²)
Empty weight: 851 kg (1,876 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 1,353 kg (2,983 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Benz Bz.III, 112 kW (150 hp) or Mercedes D.III liquid-cooled inline engine, 120 kW (160 hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 140 km/h (76 kn, 87 mph)
Service ceiling: 3,350 m (11,000 ft)
Endurance: 4 hours

Armament

Guns: 1 × 7.92 mm (.312 in) Parabellum MG14 machine gun in observer's cockpit and 1 × 7.92 mm MG 08 in the nose
Bombs: up to 200 lbs of bombs

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predhead
10-10-2014, 12:29
Interesting...they are moving away from the planes listed on the Altitude chart in the rules. I could have sworn those would have been the planes they would have worked on, but these are NICE!

Smitch
10-10-2014, 12:37
Looking forward to these. Although I did just order a Shapeways Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter...

P-51D
10-10-2014, 12:42
This is great news and all, but what about more info on WGS 6 and WGS 7 that you talked about the other day?

Oberst Hajj
10-10-2014, 12:53
This is great news and all, but what about more info on WGS 6 and WGS 7 that you talked about the other day?

Read the other thread I just posted ;)

HTRAINo
10-10-2014, 12:56
Would be interesting to see if some of the French 1 1/2 Strutters make an appearance?

Nice line-up!!!

Flying Helmut
10-10-2014, 12:59
Would be interesting to see if some of the French 1 1/2 Strutters make an appearance?

Nice line-up!!!

If not, I spy another repaint project (Oh, No! Not another one!!)

Barkmann
10-10-2014, 13:09
Pretty good!:) Excited about them already! But that Phonix D.I is so strange..... and so cool!:)
Thanks


Nick

Barkmann
10-10-2014, 13:10
Would be interesting to see if some of the French 1 1/2 Strutters make an appearance?

Nice line-up!!!

Or maybe a Belgium one?
I like these schemes:
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Mike made them for me. Pretty good, but i think we will have 2 or 3 British schemes. Not that I dont like them, but that Belgium Strutter is very cool!:)

HTRAINo
10-10-2014, 13:26
I saw one in a Sopwith Magazine, and it was pale blue with some Egyptian Winged Goddess of some description emblazoned on the fuselage.

It also had a stippled camo effect on the underside of the wings. Looked freakin' awesome!

According to the magazine, the leading Strutter Ace for RFC was from my Hometown! His name eludes me, but ended in 'Coch'.

HTRAINo
10-10-2014, 14:01
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Time to drool ;)

jbmacek
10-10-2014, 14:14
Looking forward to these. Although I did just order a Shapeways Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter...

Don't worry, it will be at least a year and a half, if not two, before we see these.

Teaticket
10-10-2014, 14:56
Very nice selection, even though I have N11s and Strutters I'll probably get them too.

monse
10-10-2014, 15:33
it was pale blue with some Egyptian Winged Goddess of some description emblazoned on the fuselage.

It also had a stippled camo effect on the underside of the wings.



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This plane belongs to the SOP 66 french squad, during 1917.

Nice scheme indeed.

More info (in french) : http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille066.htm
(if you need any translation or comment, feel free to ask)

Du doch nicht!
10-10-2014, 15:43
3 out of 4 are very nice. The older 2-seaters are really a welcome addition. I missed having an Albatros C-type quite a while. The Sopwith and the N.11 are a good supplement.
The Phoenix however... I would have went for German N.11-clone instead. Even if that would mean just to have 3 models actually ;) Now we have again a rather niche-scenario and another type which likely wont pull as much as a western-front type.

greenalfonzo
10-10-2014, 16:20
Great line up, I'm pretty pleased. Andrea said in another thread that at least one of the N.11s will have the rockets. I hope it is only one. I dislike the rockets on models as they were comparatively so rare, and not much in dogfighting such as this game is based on.

Boney10
10-10-2014, 16:28
Now this looks good, not particularly bothered about the N11 , but like the rest, especially the Albatross and Strutter, even though I have some Shapeways. I'll get all bar the N11

predhead
10-10-2014, 17:14
The Strutter does have tons of options, with several nations using them. I DO like the thought and look of a Belgian version, it will help add a bit to the small offerings we have for Belgium now, and provide a neat looking plane. Based on the numbers of Strutters made, I could have skipped the N.11 and gone with SIX Strutter versions, one Yank, one Belgian, two British, and two French.

Regardless, this is a solid line-up, with the Alb. C type and the much needed Phonix.

Zoe Brain
10-10-2014, 17:32
Oh yes, this is one I'll buy the set of. Excellent mix, especially for the Wild Wild East in 1920.

grumpybear
10-10-2014, 17:49
All are great, when will we see them?

Naharaht
10-10-2014, 18:42
I would say these are good choices. With the exception of the Phoenix, they were used widely.

Пилот
10-10-2014, 23:11
Perhaps this one :)

http://www.oluj.org/nieuport-ni-xi-bebe-172-toko/#lightbox[group-273]/5/

Marechallannes
10-11-2014, 00:12
Great information, Herr Oberst! Thank you. :salute:


Is the Phoenix D.I an A-H plane??? :confused:

milcoll73
10-11-2014, 02:02
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This plane belongs to the SOP 66 french squad, during 1917.

Nice scheme indeed.

More info (in french) : http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille066.htm
(if you need any translation or comment, feel free to ask)



oooooooohhhh i like that!

milcoll73
10-11-2014, 02:05
interesting! what does "Comic Fighter" mean?:confused:

i mean is that supposed to be funny or something?:serious::cheezy:

Jager
10-11-2014, 02:17
interesting! what does "Comic Fighter" mean?:confused:

i mean is that supposed to be funny or something?:serious::cheezy:

The Sopwith Strutter 'Comic' was a single seat version (sometimes the bomber, others field modified) with 1 or 2 Lewis MGs on the top wing. They could be Foster mounts or angled up like the later Schräge Musik mounts in WW2 NFs. They were used by Home Defense squadrons against Zeppelins, for many of the same reasons light bombers were converted to night fighters in WW2: endurance and stability.
Not sure of the origin of the term, but it was applied by flight and ground crews to the Strutter informally, and rather more officially applied to the similarly armed Sopwith Camel NF.
Karl

Hedeby
10-11-2014, 02:28
ooh Nieuport's Nice, and finally the Strutter for those of us too ham fosted to attempt re-paints / Shapeways etc.

john snelling
10-11-2014, 03:32
Great information, Herr Oberst! Thank you. :salute:


Is the Phoenix D.I an A-H plane??? :confused:

Yes the Phonix D.I is A-H! Used by the Navy and Army.

Just bought 4 Sopwith Strutters to add to the three French ones I already have. Well, the more the merrier.

Will be buying the whole series + some extras.

We do know 2 N11 pilots.

milcoll73
10-11-2014, 03:55
The Sopwith Strutter 'Comic' was a single seat version (sometimes the bomber, others field modified) with 1 or 2 Lewis MGs on the top wing. They could be Foster mounts or angled up like the later Schräge Musik mounts in WW2 NFs. They were used by Home Defense squadrons against Zeppelins, for many of the same reasons light bombers were converted to night fighters in WW2: endurance and stability.
Not sure of the origin of the term, but it was applied by flight and ground crews to the Strutter informally, and rather more officially applied to the similarly armed Sopwith Camel NF.


thanks karl!
Karl

Zoe Brain
10-11-2014, 05:34
Aleksandr Georgievich Mikhailov 22nd KAO, 3rd BAG

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Jean Navarre

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Armand de Turenne
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Guntruck
10-11-2014, 05:44
Not greatly fussed about the Phoenix, but I'll probably get the full set regardless.

Zoe Brain
10-11-2014, 05:49
Pilot - Lt.Erwin Bohme/observer - Lt.Lademacher.

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Pilot - unknown

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surfimp
10-11-2014, 06:44
Will definitely be getting at least one Nieuport 11, would love a N124 scheme.

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Barkmann
10-11-2014, 06:56
I like your options on the N.11 Zoe. Mainly the De Turenne and Navarre.
May the other one be Guynemer's N.11?
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Angiolillo
10-11-2014, 07:17
Gold Medal Giannino Ancillotto will be there, with his rocket equipped Ni.11.

surfimp
10-11-2014, 08:15
Gold Medal Giannino Ancillotto will be there, with his rocket equipped Ni.11.

Are all the Nieuport 11 models going to have rockets? That would be a negative for me. I already have two rocket-equipped N16s, and that's one too many... ;)

Angiolillo
10-11-2014, 08:16
No, the two French ones will not. Ancillotto's will.

Here he is after his mission of December 5, 1917, with the pieces of the Austrian balloon he flew across while it was exploding. Details in Paolo Varriale's books on Italian aces (Schiffer, Osprey). Paolo held a piece of that balloon in his hands, and the yellow of one of the two Wings of War's Claquot/Ae800 balloons has been made after his advice.

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P-51D
10-11-2014, 08:29
In my haste for WGS news, I forgot to post how excited I am for the N11 and Strutter! As has been said previously, this is a fantastic line up and addition to the game!

Marechallannes
10-11-2014, 08:49
2 x Phoenix + 2 x Nieuport 11 (one of course the Italian plae with rockets), 1 x Strutter and 1 x Albatros C.III. :thumbsup:

Where can I place my order?

greenalfonzo
10-11-2014, 10:56
No, the two French ones will not. Ancillotto's will.

Here he is after his mission of December 5, 1917, with the pieces of the Austrian balloon he flew across while it was exploding. Details in Paolo Varriale's books on Italian aces (Schiffer, Osprey). Paolo held a piece of that balloon in his hands, and the yellow of one of the two Wings of War's Claquot/Ae800 balloons has been made after his advice.

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It seems like making the rockets detachable would be the way to go. Maybe so they could clip on and off the struts? I think something like that would be a better option, as you could then shift them to different planes depending on the mission.

Nightbomber
10-11-2014, 11:07
Oh yes, this is one I'll buy the set of. Excellent mix, especially for the Wild Wild East in 1920.
I second that with all my heart.:) A very good choice :clap:

Uuups! That is my 7000 post:) It happened so fast;)

john snelling
10-11-2014, 14:02
Summary of Albatros C.III Combat Aircraft Orders and Serial Numbers

Month Ordered-Order Qty-Serial Numbers-Serial Qty-Builder
Nov 1915 - 44 - C.2060 - 2103/15 - 44 - Albatros
Dec 1915 - 200 - C.4000 - 4199/15 -200 - Albatros and OAW
Feb 1916 - 200 - C.100 - 199/16 - 100 - Albatros and OAW
* * C.722 - 799/16 - 78 - Albatros and OAW
Mar 1916 - 72 - C.650 - 721/16 - 72 - Bayerische
Apr 1916 - 30 - C.1375 - 1404/16 - 30 - Albatros and OAW
Jun 1916 - 200 - C.2273 - 2372/16 - 100 - Albatros and OAW
Jul 1916 - 50 - C.2124 - 2173/16 - 50 - Bayerische
Subtotals - 796 ordered * 674 completed *


At the Front

31 Dec 1915
Albatros C.III 12

28 Feb 1916
Albatros C.III 51

30 Apr 1916
Albatros C.III 208

30 Jun 1916
Albatros C.III 300

31 Aug 1916
Albatros C.III 354

31 Oct 1916
Albatros C.III 320

31 Dec 1916
Albatros C.III 320

28 Feb 1917
Albatros C.III 214

30 Apr 1917
Albatros C.III 174

30 Jun 1917
Albatros C.III 107

31 Aug 1917
Albatros C.III 29

31 Oct 1917
Albatros C.III 15

31 Dec 1917
Albatros C.III 5

28 Feb 1918
Albatros C.III 5
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Thunderbolt
10-11-2014, 14:29
Very interesting mix of planes. I'm looking forward especially to Neuport and Strutter, but other ones are also cool. Looking forward :thumbsup:

For Belgian addicts here ;), I've brought that scheme:
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Doug
10-11-2014, 14:55
For me this is an excellent selection, could not ask for more. :thumbsup:I will be buying at least three of each.

Dan-Sam
10-11-2014, 15:34
I am really curious which paint schemes would be for Nieuport 11. At least one Italian is sure, but what about the next two? One or two French? WIll be there any Belgians?

Pseudotheist
10-11-2014, 15:51
It seems like making the rockets detachable would be the way to go. Maybe so they could clip on and off the struts? I think something like that would be a better option, as you could then shift them to different planes depending on the mission.
That would be really neat, but I doubt it's feasable at this scale for mass production at a reasonable cost. I'm just hoping you'll be able to cut them off cleanly to re-use them...

Naharaht
10-11-2014, 16:53
There are plenty of good choices of paint schemes for the Nieuport 11. It must have been used by every air force in the Entente plus captured/clones by the Germans.
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csadn
10-11-2014, 16:55
The Phönix looks as tho' it goes against the Hanriot on the Italian-v.-AH front.

Zoe Brain
10-11-2014, 17:01
Gold Medal Giannino Ancillotto will be there, with his rocket equipped Ni.11.

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39666&d=1334050759

greenalfonzo
10-11-2014, 19:51
I am really curious which paint schemes would be for Nieuport 11. At least one Italian is sure, but what about the next two? One or two French? WIll be there any Belgians?

de Turenne (pictured above) is confirmed as one of the others.

Xen
10-11-2014, 20:22
Awesome! really keen on the Nieuports.

Zoe Brain
10-11-2014, 22:07
Kriegsmarine D.Is - brown laquered fuselage, red/white stripes over CDL wings.

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Oblt.Roman Schmidt (6 victories). FliK 30J has an unusual asymmetric design due to a replacement right top wing

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Offizierstellvertreter Karl Urban (5 victories). Flik 14J

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Barkmann
10-11-2014, 22:35
What about these:
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Angiolillo
10-11-2014, 23:21
It seems like making the rockets detachable would be the way to go. Maybe so they could clip on and off the struts? I think something like that would be a better option, as you could then shift them to different planes depending on the mission.

They will not, and it is not a matter of cost. Several similar possibilities, as detachable masts for Sails of Glory ships to take into account broken masts or detachable sails to teke into account if the ship is at full sails or not (our first prototype, handmade by Andrea Mainini, has both)

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were discarded for at least two main reasons:
- our models are first of all game tokens, and they have to be very sturdy, while such features make them easier to break;
- our models have to be nice, and the snap-in mechanisms usually bring to oversize details with a bad visual effect.

We will have several miniatures, and some details will differ as we had different weapons, engines or similar details on previous models. The Italian plane will have rockets, the two French planes will not.

Zoe Brain
10-11-2014, 23:38
There's always Link-Crawford's... though some sources say this is a D.II with a 200hp Hiero engine.

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Talking about which, here's Link-Crawford with his(?) Berg D.I to the right, Jasky's Phoenix D.I in the background.

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milcoll73
10-11-2014, 23:39
Pilot - Lt.Erwin Bohme/observer - Lt.Lademacher.

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i like the one with the dragons on it!!!!

Dan-Sam
10-12-2014, 00:04
de Turenne (pictured above) is confirmed as one of the others.
I like it! :)

So it is still one missing? :confused:

Thunderbolt
10-12-2014, 01:32
There are plenty of good choices of paint schemes for the Nieuport 11. It must have been used by every air force in the Entente plus captured/clones by the Germans.
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David, these are really nice painting schemes you've posted. Is there a change for bigger photo? Or maybe link where they come from?

Пилот
10-12-2014, 01:42
It's here, at the Aerodrome, believe or not:

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?14125-Nieuport-colour-schemes&p=207638&viewfull=1#post207638

I, of course, vote for Le Mome - French markings, but used by Serbian aviation :)

Thunderbolt
10-12-2014, 02:07
It's here, at the Aerodrome, believe or not:

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?14125-Nieuport-colour-schemes&p=207638&viewfull=1#post207638

I, of course, vote for Le Mome - French markings, but used by Serbian aviation :)

Thanks Heмaњa!

Jager
10-12-2014, 02:32
Another interesting set; all pretty much 1916 (except, as Zoe would point out, Russia, where the Ni.11 and Strutters would be used until they fell apart),
except the Phoenix D.I, which is just 1918. :confused:
A note for realistically minded house-rules writers: the D.I had the guns buried in the fuselage. Jams couldn't be cleared! :(
I wonder if the Albatross C.IIIs will be armed with a front gun or not; or if they will have a mix, like the Roland C.II?
I'll admit not having much in the 1916 time frame, and not that interested either; I like mid-17 til the end and beyond.
I'll probably get 1 each, for completeness (though I'll skip the rocket-armed Ni.11; sorry Andrea), except a few extra C.IIIs, and a batch of Strutters.
Karl'

Willi Von Klugermann
10-12-2014, 05:55
Are all the Nieuport 11 models going to have rockets? That would be a negative for me. I already have two rocket-equipped N16s, and that's one too many... ;)

Agreed.

john snelling
10-12-2014, 09:48
Macchi M.5
Another interesting set; all pretty much 1916 (except, as Zoe would point out, Russia, where the Ni.11 and Strutters would be used until they fell apart),
except the Phoenix D.I, which is just 1918. :confused:

I'll admit not having much in the 1916 time frame, and not that interested either; I like mid-17 til the end and beyond.

Karl'

Karl,
Except with the Russians, I must disagree with your time frames.

G. Ancillotto balloon victories were 30 Nov 1917 and 3 Dec 1917. Italians used the N11 throughout 1917.

See my earlier posting about the Albatros C.III used widely until mid 1917.

The French Sopwith Strutter Nov 1917:
351 Strutters were on the front lines used in reconnaissance role the number 1 type of aircraft. The next was 313 A.R. 1/2s
157 Strutters were on the front lines used in the bomber role also the number 1 type of aircraft. The next was 102 Voisin 8s.

Why the Phonix D.I? Used to counter the series 8 Italian Macchi flying boats.

john snelling
10-12-2014, 10:41
The Phonix D.I 128, 228, 328 series

Flars ordered 120 aircraft. manufacture began Aug 1917 did not finish until May 1918. 11 were accepted in Oct 1917.

The different series simply identified the engine manufacturer. All were equipped with the Hiero 200 hp engines.

Armament was twin machine guns mounted well forward alongside the engine.

Beginning in Dec 1917 it was used as an escort fighter by Fliks 4/D, 15/D, 17/D, 48/D, 54/D, AND 66/D and as fighters in 14/J, 30/J, 60/J, 61/J AND 63/J.

It was easy to fly and most two-seater pilots had little difficulty making the transition.

A number were converted into photo-reconnaissance fighters and some were refitted with the 230 Hiero engine.

Flik 60/J comments were that the speed and climb were inferior to the Nieuports, SPAD and Sopwith fighters they were facing.

Unlike the Avitaik D.I it could dive at high speed without fear of losing its wings.

72 were still in operation at the end of the war.

Twenty Phoenix D.I fighters served in Austro-Hungarian Naval Service for defense of naval bases.

BobP
10-12-2014, 12:44
Just saw this and can't wait to get these planes and also see the repaints that are done to them. Good news.

Naharaht
10-12-2014, 12:58
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Austria-Hungry started to look for an indigenous built fighter in 1916 since Germany was reluctant to give up its best front line fighters. Austria-Hungry started out with the Phonix built Hansa-Brandenburg D.I(Ph). The Brandenburg was quite tricky to fly and it took the pilots full attention just to keep the aircraft under control. It had a tendency to spin and, like the Sopwith Camel, was almost impossible to recover the spin. The performance of the Brandenburg was discouraging. The improvements that Flars ordered were not totally successful and the remaining fighters were assigned to training units

Phonix used their experience building the Brandedburg to build the Phonix D.I. The Phonix D.I was a great improvement over the Brandenburg, in fact a German Idflieg report stated “it possesses totally amazing qualities, especially the quickness of maneuver and stability when throttled down. The pilot can stall the aircraft virtually on the spot and drop several hundred meters without losing control.”

This Aircraft was very stable and many two seater pilots made the transition into the D.I without incidence. After flying the Hansa-Brandenburg D.I pilots favored the Phonix D.I. However not all was of good report. Flik 60/J reported that the Phonix D.I was not favored, as it was said to be slower than the SPAD and could not maneuver with the Nieuport or the Sopwith fighters.

120 Phonix D.Is were produced between September 1917 and March 1918 of these, 72 were still operational on 1August 1918. It was a very well rounded aircraft with no hidden vices and these numbers speak well of its qualities

Blackronin
10-14-2014, 01:36
Excellent! Must work more... Make more Money... Gosh...

Captain Chum
10-14-2014, 12:52
Great line up, I'm pretty pleased. Andrea said in another thread that at least one of the N.11s will have the rockets. I hope it is only one. I dislike the rockets on models as they were comparatively so rare, and not much in dogfighting such as this game is based on.

Getting rockets on one of them is maybe a good sign that some balloons are also in the distant future.

LOOP
10-15-2014, 07:50
Armand de Turenne
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Nice!!! Could picture that one in my hangar :thumbsup:

LOOP
10-15-2014, 07:53
Pilot - Lt.Erwin Bohme/observer - Lt.Lademacher.

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Just love that one ;)

FarEast
10-18-2014, 04:44
Albatros C.III FTW!!!!!!

Timmo UK
10-18-2014, 15:38
An interesting mix. I think I'll probably only go for the Sopwith but there are plenty of others I'm after in Series 8. Overall I'm so, so pleased that this game is still with us and that ARES have fully committed to keep releasing new models. The Sopwith Pup might have been a better choice than the N11 given that we'll have the N17 on a reprint at some point.

Coog
10-18-2014, 16:03
I'm too am surprised that the Pup has been passed over again considering it was the only decent British built fighter in the early years.

csadn
10-18-2014, 17:35
If you want, contact me via private message. Thanks!

Shot, over.

Angiolillo
10-18-2014, 20:32
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Among the marine ones we will depict A.117 that belonged to Lang. Among the rest, he was one of the 4 that toke off from Altura on the 21st of August to attack the US Macchi M.5 and M.8 headed to Pola to drop leaflets, first war mission of US planes from Porto Corsini.

Doug
10-18-2014, 20:51
All look very spectacular but like other I realy do like the Albatros C III with the dragon on it.:thumbsup:

Jäger
10-20-2014, 00:15
So cool plane selections! Right now I need another carrying bag but very soon I have to order the third. :clap:

Flying Officer Kyte
10-22-2014, 12:19
How did I manage to miss this?
I applaud the choice of aircraft.
It fills several holes in my collection, and for once will not duplicate anything I already have from other manufacturers.:clap:
Rob.

Nightbomber
10-22-2014, 12:23
How did I manage to miss this?
I applaud the choice of aircraft.
It fills several holes in my collection, and for once will not duplicate anything I already have from other manufacturers.:clap:
Rob.

This is the best gap filling choice of aircraft to date, truly. I would say: the best choice ever:D

Maybe some spectacular paint scheme? ;):takecover:

148598

Gallo Rojo
10-23-2014, 04:59
All excellent choices! BRAVO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IpPPDYWexE

LOOP
10-24-2014, 00:28
I'm too am surprised that the Pup has been passed over again considering it was the only decent British built fighter in the early years.

Yeah!!! Where are the Pups!!

bmwrider
10-25-2014, 21:09
I would love to see the N 11

Oberst Hajj
10-31-2014, 09:05
I've broken the Dive card discussion off to it's own thread (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?20516-A-closer-look-at-the-Dive-cards).

matt56
10-31-2014, 19:30
I must admit I'm looking forward to all of these beauties! And there's just something idiosyncratic about the Phoenix that I really like, particularly the naval ones...

They can't get here soon enough.

All the best,
Matt Materne

greenalfonzo
10-31-2014, 20:19
I must admit I'm looking forward to all of these beauties! And there's just something idiosyncratic about the Phoenix that I really like, particularly the naval ones...

They can't get here soon enough.

All the best,
Matt Materne

The Phoenix looks like something **** Dastardly and Muttley would fly in the old Wacky Races cartoons.

Flying Officer Kyte
11-01-2014, 01:16
Really for me it is going to give more chance to do something meaningful with my Italian aircraft at long last.
Rob.

csadn
11-01-2014, 13:43
I must admit I'm looking forward to all of these beauties! And there's just something idiosyncratic about the Phoenix that I really like, particularly the naval ones...

It's the fuselage -- the phrase "coffin with wings" taken literally. :)

strontiumdog
11-08-2014, 10:23
Series 8 and 9 are looking good and im looking forward to getting my hands on them. On a slightly different subject, can anyone shed any light on when series 3 and 4 reprints will appear and the balloon buster sets?

Angiolillo
11-10-2014, 21:52
I think that roughly we will have a reprint alternate to each new series. More or less. Balloons... I am asking fo them, and I am not alone in that. I hope soon. But sorry, I have no real infos on dates.

strontiumdog
11-11-2014, 08:33
Thanks Angio i guess that means series 3 reprint is next then. Brumowski Albatros D.III re-release please! - bet you've heard that a million times already ;)

strontiumdog
11-11-2014, 08:35
no wait it will be series 8 next wont it? i shouldnt really post when im half asleep. (doh!)

Oberst Hajj
11-14-2014, 05:52
In an attempt to get this thread back on topic, I've move all the separate deck posts to their own thread (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?20666-The-Big-thread-of-extra-Maneuver-Decks).

LOOP
11-17-2014, 06:05
DO anyone know which deck the N11 will get? The P-deck mayby?

jbmacek
11-17-2014, 06:47
DO anyone know which deck the N11 will get? The P-deck mayby?

Isn't the card in the game now, with the E-deck?

LOOP
11-17-2014, 06:59
I think you are right. I found it in an aircraftlist on the downloadpages.
The E-deck it is!

EhindsVCS
11-29-2014, 10:35
Really excited for the Sopwith Strutter, here's my suggestions for a pilot: R.F. Redpath
152001

Doug
11-29-2014, 12:09
I am an early war gamer so it's very nice to see the planed release which will realy fill in the gaps

Naharaht
11-29-2014, 12:58
That is a good looking plane, Elijah.

EhindsVCS
11-29-2014, 20:01
Thanks David,
I had the pleasure of seeing it in person at The Great War Flying Museum. It would be great if they actually released it as a miniature, otherwise I will have to try and customize one...

WWIflyingace
12-01-2014, 15:51
I saw one in a Sopwith Magazine, and it was pale blue with some Egyptian Winged Goddess of some description emblazoned on the fuselage.

It also had a stippled camo effect on the underside of the wings. Looked freakin' awesome!

According to the magazine, the leading Strutter Ace for RFC was from my Hometown! His name eludes me, but ended in 'Coch'.

The pilot's name is Geoffrey Hornblower Cock with 13 victories...

WWIflyingace
01-02-2015, 13:42
Will definitely be getting at least one Nieuport 11, would love a N124 scheme.

I second the N124 scheme!

But, I also like the Navarre, de Turenne and Le Vieux Charles schemes as well...

johnbiggles
01-03-2015, 04:10
I Love Strutters, I have another shapeways in the to do box at the moment, and the comic still to finish.
Definitely the Phonix for the Macchi, the N11 because I love the early war, and the Albatros because I am short of mid war two seaters for the CPs

Boney10
01-03-2015, 04:56
Has it been decided if the Strutter will be Single seat (Bomber version) or Twin seat (Fighter version) ?
I already have 4 Twin and a single Bomber version, will not stop me getting all of these though, even warming to the N11, I like the Turenne scheme

Just seen its the two seater/ comic version.

Still this set looks really good, all we need now are
Pups and the BE2

fast.git
01-03-2015, 06:04
This is another strong series... I like them all. :thumbsup:

Teaticket
01-03-2015, 08:37
I will definitely get this whole set. New planes....it never gets old.

tikkifriend
01-04-2015, 13:21
CIII for me

Flying Helmut
01-04-2015, 13:35
I will definitely get this whole set. New planes....it never gets old.

What he said!

RJG173
01-06-2015, 13:10
Perhaps someone can explain, but I never understood why the 1-1/2 strutter is called that. Where did the 1/2 strut come from?

strontiumdog
01-06-2015, 14:56
I will get them all but can we please not have any 'captured' schemes :pray:

fast.git
01-06-2015, 17:47
Perhaps someone can explain, but I never understood why the 1-1/2 strutter is called that. Where did the 1/2 strut come from?

Wings are supported by struts... in the case of the Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter, these were of two lengths: full-length, staggered parallel struts between the top and bottom wings and half-length cabane struts that are used to connect the upper wing to the forward fuselage (around where the pilot sits). You can see the two types in the image below:

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=154440&d=1420594775

The first of the cabane (half-length) struts are located just aft of the Vickers MG mount.

Hope that helps. :)

Chris

fast.git
01-06-2015, 17:55
I will get them all but can we please not have any 'captured' schemes :pray:

I must admit I would have liked to see Otto Kissenberth's captured Sopwith Camel as one of the three Series 1 reprints. Now that we have a captured Macchi, I wonder if we'll get a captured N.11, considering the influence it had on German aircraft development?

LOOP
01-07-2015, 07:15
I made some research to find out whitch deck that goes with the aircrafts.
This is what I have found:

Phönix DI B-deck
Sop. 1 1/2 strutter V-deck
Nieuport 11 E-deck
Alb CIII can't find any reference....

Do anyone know if these are still valid or are there going to be any changes?
And do anyone know what deck the CIII uses?

Teaticket
01-07-2015, 07:51
I made some research to find out whitch deck that goes with the aircrafts.
This is what I have found:

Phönix DI B-deck
Sop. 1 1/2 strutter V-deck
Nieuport 11 E-deck
Alb CIII can't find any reference....

Do anyone know if these are still valid or are there going to be any changes?
And do anyone know what deck the CIII uses?

I see on the list it as an XD deck for the Albatros CIII.

csadn
01-07-2015, 14:29
Wings are supported by struts... in the case of the Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter, these were of two lengths: full-length, staggered parallel struts between the top and bottom wings and half-length cabane struts that are used to connect the upper wing to the forward fuselage (around where the pilot sits). You can see the two types in the image below:

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=154440&d=1420594775

The first of the cabane (half-length) struts are located just aft of the Vickers MG mount.

Hope that helps. :)

Side Note: Most French-service 1&1/2s were built by Hanriot, who then borrowed the strut configuration for the HD.1. (And that's why I'm annoyed I've had to wait so bloody long for the 1&1/2s to be released!)

LOOP
01-07-2015, 23:37
I see on the list it as an XD deck for the Albatros CIII.

A real snail so to speak ;)

But with 140 km/h it wasn't a racer :)

Zoe Brain
01-17-2015, 07:18
I made some research to find out whitch deck that goes with the aircrafts.
This is what I have found:

Phönix DI B-deck
Sop. 1 1/2 strutter V-deck
Nieuport 11 E-deck
Alb CIII can't find any reference....

Do anyone know if these are still valid or are there going to be any changes?
And do anyone know what deck the CIII uses?

C.III - will use either an XD deck - which may be renamed, or kept the same - or a new deck corresponding to a G* deck.

We gave the Phoenix D.I slightly more oomph than it had in order to sorta simulate its superior diving. I think the new deck it will have will be more like a J deck with an extra slow dive. It won't be B anyway. Probably a Y deck.

LOOP
01-17-2015, 13:41
Interesting! So no B-deck for the Phönix. Allways fun with a new deck! Will it be a short dive as discussed but maybe that is a secret ;)

LOOP
01-17-2015, 13:43
Oh, you wrote slowdive. Missed that. Sorry :surrender:

Flying Officer Kyte
01-17-2015, 14:40
Nice to get some inside info on these aircraft and their movement decks.
Thank you chaps.
Rob.

Doug
01-21-2015, 21:20
I still need more early was aircraft so for series 10 I would like to see a BE2c the importance of this aircraft cannot be over emphasised it was used right from the start of WW1 till "Bloody April" in 1917 what other aircraft was in front line service longer than a BE2c?

Timmo UK
01-23-2015, 08:53
Do we need to start a series 10 thread?

Flying Officer Kyte
01-23-2015, 11:11
Do we need to start a series 10 thread?

That's a bit like starting Christmas in January Tim.
Oh! I forgot. They do these days.
Rob.

Timmo UK
01-23-2015, 12:07
Oh I agree with you but I just had to in response to Alastair's post above mine!

zenlizard
01-23-2015, 12:40
As I mentioned in a completely different thread, I have a large bias towards early/mid-war aircraft, so I am looking forward to series 9. Even better then series 8. And what's wrong with trying for a series 10? Never to early to start thinking about where to spend the money...

WWIflyingace
01-23-2015, 14:06
As I mentioned in a completely different thread, I have a large bias towards early/mid-war aircraft, so I am looking forward to series 9. Even better then series 8. And what's wrong with trying for a series 10? Never to early to start thinking about where to spend the money...

Agreed, early war is very interesting and I would like to see an expansion of available early war aircraft in series 10; hopefully the planners will see the interest...

Pseudotheist
01-23-2015, 16:50
Do we need to start a series 10 thread?

Arguably, someone should have started a speculation thread the day the series 9 lineup became "official".

grumpybear
01-23-2015, 19:29
CIII for me

Been flying CIII for some time now great plane love it. Nieuport II who can't love that one

Teaticket
01-23-2015, 19:45
Been flying CIII for some time now great plane love it.

I love the upcoming CIII. Several orders from Shapeways started with it on the list but somehow never made it through the culling. Now its a must.

Doug
01-23-2015, 23:26
Yes Tim we should start a thread for series 10 so ARES know what we want and what to plan for. It takes a while for these models to get designed and built (not knocking ARES these things take time and I for one appreciate the work and research ARES does on each model) so prior wish list give ARES idea's and hopefully we get what we we want.

OldGuy59
01-24-2015, 00:16
I made some research to find out whitch deck that goes with the aircrafts.
This is what I have found:

Phönix DI B-deck
Sop. 1 1/2 strutter V-deck
Nieuport 11 E-deck
Alb CIII can't find any reference....

Do anyone know if these are still valid or are there going to be any changes?
And do anyone know what deck the CIII uses?

Shouldn't the Nieuport 11 be using the E+ deck?

Discussion thread: Maneuver Deck Question (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?21241-Maneuver-Deck-Question&p=331176&viewfull=1#post331176)

Jager
01-24-2015, 00:29
Shouldn't the Nieuport 11 be using the E+ deck?

Discussion thread: Maneuver Deck Question (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?21241-Maneuver-Deck-Question&p=331176&viewfull=1#post331176)

That's strictly unofficial; BlackRonin's interpretation.
Karl

OldGuy59
01-24-2015, 09:24
Shouldn't the Nieuport 11 be using the E+ deck?

Discussion thread: Maneuver Deck Question (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?21241-Maneuver-Deck-Question&p=331176&viewfull=1#post331176)


That's strictly unofficial; BlackRonin's interpretation.
Karl

So, perhaps we need a new deck? Some Forum members think that the Eindecker and the Nieuport 11 shouldn't use the same deck, hence the "E+" deck.

I leave that to those more knowledgeable.

Blackronin
01-24-2015, 09:33
It is indeed my interpretation and the way I play the Nieuport 11.
It's arrival at the front lines was something of a revolution.
It was much more maneuverable than the Eindecker and the Albatros II, so I decided that a 90º turn would give it that extra maneuverability.
But that's my interpretation.

fast.git
01-24-2015, 09:52
I agree with Quim. As I understand it, the Fokker E.IIIs and E.IVs were successful, in large part, because of their forward-firing armament. They were outclassed once the next generation of Entente aircraft began to make it to the Front.

csadn
01-24-2015, 13:34
I agree with Quim. As I understand it, the Fokker E.IIIs and E.IVs were successful, in large part, because of their forward-firing armament. They were outclassed once the next generation of Entente aircraft began to make it to the Front.

[nod] It's worth noting: When an Eindekker was captured due to pilot error, and the unit was flown against a Morane, the German unit was found to be *inferior* in all respects to the Entente unit; the sole advantage was in firepower arrangement.

fast.git
01-24-2015, 14:03
[nod] It's worth noting: When an Eindekker was captured due to pilot error, and the unit was flown against a Morane, the German unit was found to be *inferior* in all respects to the Entente unit; the sole advantage was in firepower arrangement.

Outstanding! Love being more correct than I thought I was... ;)

Jager
01-24-2015, 14:17
Perhaps the problem is rather that the Fokker has too good a maneuver deck?
Karl

csadn
01-25-2015, 13:01
Outstanding! Love being more correct than I thought I was... ;)

[nod] It does lead to the problem Jager mentions, tho': Game designers invariably make German units "too good", in the mistaken impression that events like "the Fokker Scourge" were the result a *general* superiority, rather than being better in only one extremely salient aspect (in this case: Being able to put a large number of bullets into a specific space in a relatively short time).

FarEast
01-25-2015, 13:16
[nod] It does lead to the problem Jager mentions, tho': Game designers invariably make German units "too good", in the mistaken impression that events like "the Fokker Scourge" were the result a *general* superiority, rather than being better in only one extremely salient aspect (in this case: Being able to put a large number of bullets into a specific space in a relatively short time).

Hmmm I'm going to have to say that the waters are very muddied here. You need to remember that top brass had a vested interest in claims that the Germans were flying inferior aircraft as they were cashing in on the monopoly that the Royal Air Factory had on supplying aircraft that were basically death traps, I think the ratio was 1/4 deaths (need to check) just in training on early RAF aircraft.

OldGuy59
01-25-2015, 13:18
Perhaps the problem is rather that the Fokker has too good a maneuver deck?
Karl

Back when Nexus produced the first game, the Dr1 and the Sopwith Triplane ended up with the same deck, for packaging reasons (Four maneuver decks in the box), not necessarily performance reasons.

When Ares put out the miniatures, the Triplane got a more appropriate deck, because the deck comes with the plane.

It is a bit late to downgrade the Eindekker. But it is very possible to adjust the Nieuport 11 when it comes out as a mini. Just saying. All the Nexus cards won't match, but Ares won't care, and we get planes with performance that matches.

I suppose a problem would arise if any plane using the "E" deck, that was better than the Eindekker, might be eligible for the new deck. Then what? Design decisions, design decisions...

Jager
01-25-2015, 14:59
Back when Nexus produced the first game, the Dr1 and the Sopwith Triplane ended up with the same deck, for packaging reasons (Four maneuver decks in the box), not necessarily performance reasons.

When Ares put out the miniatures, the Triplane got a more appropriate deck, because the deck comes with the plane.

But not the appropriate model, eh, Chris ;)


It is a bit late to downgrade the Eindekker. But it is very possible to adjust the Nieuport 11 when it comes out as a mini. Just saying. All the Nexus cards won't match, but Ares won't care, and we get planes with performance that matches.

I suppose a problem would arise if any plane using the "E" deck, that was better than the Eindekker, might be eligible for the new deck. Then what? Design decisions, design decisions...

>sigh< I can add this to the list of things to think about.
Karl

csadn
01-26-2015, 12:17
Hmmm I'm going to have to say that the waters are very muddied here. You need to remember that top brass had a vested interest in claims that the Germans were flying inferior aircraft as they were cashing in on the monopoly that the Royal Air Factory had on supplying aircraft that were basically death traps, I think the ratio was 1/4 deaths (need to check) just in training on early RAF aircraft.

That's a matter of British trainers being horrifyingly underpowered, coupled to not having "trainer" versions of actual fighters; chances were, the first time a pilot soloed a fighter was the first time he'd *flown* the stupid thing. One does not make the leap from an Avro 504 to a Bristol Scout (or, god help us, a Camel) easily; every different modern airplane has a 'type rating" one needs to get to fly it -- There Is A Reason For This. (Look up "Mitsubishi MU-2".)

The Eindekker, OTOH, was painfully slow (only 87 MPH flat-out, compared to the Scout's 94 MPH, or the Morane Saulnier N's 90 MPH, or the Nieuport 11's 97 MPH), had a far lower ceiling (3 km; Scout: 4.9km; N: 4 km; N.11: 4.6km), abysmal rate-of-climb (20 min. to 2km; Scout: 18.5 min. to *3*km; N: 10 min. to 2km; N.11: 15 min. to 3km), handled like a brick (wing-warping vs. the Scout's or N.11's ailerons led to painfully stiff controls; the N had wing-warping, and suffered similarly); and was appallingly short-legged (90 min. endurance; the N matched this; the Scout had 120 min.; the N.11 *150* min.). By all objective standards: The Fokker should have been crushed by any Entente fighter of the period. The sole advantage, then, of the E.I was its synchronized forward gun.

LOOP
01-26-2015, 22:48
I suppose a problem would arise if any plane using the "E" deck, that was better than the Eindekker, might be eligible for the new deck.

What AC:s use the E- or the E+-deck other than the N11?

OldGuy59
01-26-2015, 23:48
But not the appropriate model, eh, Chris ;)



>sigh< I can add this to the list of things to think about.
Karl


What AC:s use the E- or the E+-deck other than the N11?

Good question. I assumed there were more planes that had the E Deck, but it looks like the Eindekker is using the T Deck?

So, no currently produced plane is using the E deck. Surprise. That pretty much allows Ares to print anything into the E Deck, including 90 degree turns, if it wants?

LOOP
01-27-2015, 00:28
I found a document here on the forum from june-11. It stated the Nieuport 21 and Siemens-Schuckert DI both have the E-deck.

flash
01-27-2015, 00:31
What AC:s use the E- or the E+-deck other than the N11?

E deck users according to the stats spreadsheet Jan 2015:

Nieuport 11
Nieuport 21
Siemens Schuckert D.I

LOOP
01-27-2015, 00:35
The same as the old one I found.

Flying Officer Kyte
01-27-2015, 00:57
What AC:s use the E- or the E+-deck other than the N11?

I'm a bit confused Loop. Your actual question above concerned the E- or E+ deck. We now seem to have drifted onto the standard E deck.
What are we actually interested in?
Rob.

LOOP
01-27-2015, 01:22
I have only played WoG for some 2+ years and nearly missed out all WoW stuff. In this forum + and *-deck turn up quite frequently.
I know it's only house-rules stuff but some of this rules seems to be allmost as a common rule.
My thought was if the usual E-dack lacked a 90-turn and the was a general opion to give the N11 some. Is there any obstacles in doing so...
Make an E+-deck of the old E-deck.... Would it make, say the SS DI to good?
I don't know, just speaking out load....

LOOP
01-27-2015, 01:31
Everything is up to Ares obviously.....

Flying Officer Kyte
01-27-2015, 01:41
I have only played WoG for some 2+ years and nearly missed out all WoW stuff. In this forum + and *-deck turn up quite frequently.
I know it's only house-rules stuff but some of this rules seems to be allmost as a common rule.
My thought was if the usual E-dack lacked a 90-turn and the was a general opion to give the N11 some. Is there any obstacles in doing so...
Make an E+-deck of the old E-deck.... Would it make, say the SS DI to good?
I don't know, just speaking out load....

As we are talking about House rules Per, you can do just what you like in your games. Add cards as you wish, as long as everyone you are playing with is happy. The House rules are just to guide you to what is reasonable supposition when backed by the available information. members can alter this as much as they wish in their own games. I would try your right hand turns and see if they work for you.
Rob.

LOOP
01-27-2015, 01:49
Or we can wait and se what Ares has got up their sleeve ;)
I don't have any N11 in my hangar just yet so no real problem for me ;)
But it is fun to talk about things concerning WoG :thumbsup:

Flying Officer Kyte
01-27-2015, 02:24
I have to admit Per that the diversity of discussion and questions on the Drome is often far more complex than just playing the game.:D
Rob.

LOOP
01-27-2015, 02:29
That is mainly why I am on the Drome :)

Flying Officer Kyte
01-27-2015, 02:39
I think that is what holds a good number of us here Per.
Rob.

Jager
01-27-2015, 11:39
True enough for me; I haven't played a game in weeks, and I'm having a great time with the game here ;)
Karl

greenalfonzo
01-27-2015, 17:44
I still need more early was aircraft so for series 10 I would like to see a BE2c the importance of this aircraft cannot be over emphasised it was used right from the start of WW1 till "Bloody April" in 1917 what other aircraft was in front line service longer than a BE2c?

Maybe the FE.2? They hit the front in maybe January 1915, and were still fairly heavily in use as bombers at the end of the war in 1918.

fast.git
01-27-2015, 18:44
Maybe the FE.2? They hit the front in maybe January 1915, and were still fairly heavily in use as bombers at the end of the war in 1918.

Good choice! Used in a variety of capacities: bombing, offensive patrols, artillery cooperation, escort, defensive "contact" patrols... "Fees" started the Battle of Arras (1917) as front-line aircraft. And, as over-matched as they might have been, they weren't any worse than the Sop 1-1/2 Strutters!

chequers
04-07-2015, 06:47
Loving this release, especially the Strutter and Nieuport. About time these planes got done. All we need now is some Sopwith Pups and more SE5a's for the Entente (Series 10 maybe?) Would also like to see some more early war planes, Bristol scout, Gunbus,any more offers?

Doug
04-07-2015, 18:45
In my view if we get a series10, the 1st and formost plane on that list should be a BE2c. It is a icronic aircraft that we should have had ages ago. I would love to series 10 as an all British release with the BE2c, Sopwith Pup, Vickers Gunbus, and of course an Bristol scout. But there again it is only my wish list :pray:

spindoc
04-08-2015, 08:32
OK, I'll play! Series 10 wish list: Morane-Saulnier AI, Bregeut Br.14, Salmson 2, Caudron R.11, Letord 4; F.E.2, Short 184, Bristol M.1C, S.E.5a, Felixstowe F.2A, Curtiss H-12; Ago C II, L.V.G. C VI, Rumpler C IV, A.E.G. G IV, Albatros C XII, A.E.G. C IV, D.F.W. C V, Hansa- Brandenburg K.D.W., Rumpler 6B1, Friedrichshaven G III, Hansa-Brandenburg W 12, Junkers D I, Junkers CL I, Junkers J I, Hansa-Brandenburg W 29.

I seem to have gotten a little carried away...

Gallo Rojo
04-08-2015, 08:47
OK, I'll play! Series 10 wish list: (...) Bregeut Br.14,
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We already have Breguet Br.14, although we do need a re-print of it :)

Some of the guys in your wish list that I would love seeing, such as Caudron R.11, Friedrichshaven G III, A.E.G. G IV (actually I already have un-official 3D-printed versions of them) would go as especial-packs, if they ever see the light :)

Teaticket
04-08-2015, 09:00
Looks like you have series 10. 11. 12, 13...........


OK, I'll play! Series 10 wish list: Morane-Saulnier AI, Bregeut Br.14, Salmson 2, Caudron R.11, Letord 4; F.E.2, Short 184, Bristol M.1C, S.E.5a, Felixstowe F.2A, Curtiss H-12; Ago C II, L.V.G. C VI, Rumpler C IV, A.E.G. G IV, Albatros C XII, A.E.G. C IV, D.F.W. C V, Hansa- Brandenburg K.D.W., Rumpler 6B1, Friedrichshaven G III, Hansa-Brandenburg W 12, Junkers D I, Junkers CL I, Junkers J I, Hansa-Brandenburg W 29.

I seem to have gotten a little carried away...

I like them all too!

chequers
04-08-2015, 09:48
In my view if we get a series10, the 1st and formost plane on that list should be a BE2c. It is a icronic aircraft that we should have had ages ago. I would love to series 10 as an all British release with the BE2c, Sopwith Pup, Vickers Gunbus, and of course an Bristol scout. But there again it is only my wish list :pray:

Seconded. We seem to have a great variety of CP planes, and the Entente are lagging behind a bit? :confused:

spindoc
04-08-2015, 09:53
We already have Breguet Br.14, although we do need a re-print of it :)

Some of the guys in your wish list that I would love seeing, such as Caudron R.11, Friedrichshaven G III, A.E.G. G IV (actually I already have un-official 3D-printed versions of them) would go as especial-packs, if they ever see the light :)

You're right. So let's see some more Special Packs while we're at it!

Gallo Rojo
04-08-2015, 09:54
Totally! ��

Oberst Hajj
04-08-2015, 10:47
Guys, lets try and keep this thread Series9 related. There are a couple of threads out there for wishful thinking already or you can start a new one for the fun of it. Thanks.

spindoc
04-08-2015, 11:13
OK, thanks. I've started a thread called "New series ideas" under WWI General Discussions.

Angiolillo
04-08-2015, 13:20
Got mine. For once, before shops and customers.

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Flying Officer Kyte
04-08-2015, 14:17
Quite right too Andrea. So you should.:clap:
Rob.:salute:

Angiolillo
04-08-2015, 14:41
I'm not used... ;) In the same pack there was part of Kickstarters special ships for Sails of Glory. That customers got by the end of 2013/start 2014... ;) ;) ;)

Naharaht
04-08-2015, 19:55
If anyone deserves to receive copies first it is you, Andrea. I am surprised that it is not standard practice.

Diamondback
04-08-2015, 19:59
Even WOTC ensured their design team got their complete sets first... you really should have made "First Copies" a condition of the contract, amigo. :)

Angiolillo
04-08-2015, 22:45
No problem, and not a complaint. There is an Ocean between me and the warehouse, and this explain much of the fact that I usually wait more than you. With the Kickstarter ships there have been some issues in delivery, incluyding a chilled nation at the moment of re-shipping, and probably some accident damaging a few ships so customers were served first... by far.

redcoon2
04-13-2015, 10:10
Have truly been enjoying the wide range of topics discussed on this thread.
However, by rough count about 80% of the posts have had nothing to do with Series 9.???
Decks, Pups, potentials for Series 10,11,12...,lots of fun reading but properly fodder for other threads.
After numerous runs through the many suggestions for color schemes have only been able to nail down the following re planes/pilots: Nieuport 11: Ancillotto, de Turenne, unnamed French pilot
Albatross CIII: Lang
Phonix D1: nada
Sop with 1 1/2 Strutter: nada
Anyone know the balance of the pilots for the other planes?

Also, am I reading a note that says the Phonix D1 & Hansa-Brandenburg D1 are same design built by different manufacturers?

Anyway, who are the other pilots/ schemes for Series 9?

john snelling
04-13-2015, 10:40
Have truly been enjoying the wide range of topics discussed on this thread.
However, by rough count about 80% of the posts have had nothing to do with Series 9.???
Decks, Pups, potentials for Series 10,11,12...,lots of fun reading but properly fodder for other threads.
After numerous runs through the many suggestions for color schemes have only been able to nail down the following re planes/pilots: Nieuport 11: Ancillotto, de Turenne, unnamed French pilot
Albatross CIII: Lang
Phonix D1: nada
Sop with 1 1/2 Strutter: nada
Anyone know the balance of the pilots for the other planes?

Also, am I reading a note that says the Phonix D1 & Hansa-Brandenburg D1 are same design built by different manufacturers?

Anyway, who are the other pilots/ schemes for Series 9?

Regarding the Brandenberg D.I.

It was built by Brandenburg of Germany 50 produced and by Phonix of AH 72 produced. The Phonix produced ones were a better aircraft by installing a 185hp engine, made lighter and pilot seat was raised. Only 3 of the 68 confirmed kills were attributed to the Brandenburg D.I's.

The Phonix D.I was built by Phonix in three different series 128, 228 and 328 all had 200hp engines. Its was noted that the pilot could stall the aircraft virtually on the spot and drop several hundred meters without losing control. It was very easy to fly for former 2 seat pilots. It was faster than the Albatros D.III and better flight characteristics than the Aviatik D.I. Some pilots claimed that the aircraft was to stable and slow.

I hope that helps.

Diamondback
04-13-2015, 11:15
Have truly been enjoying the wide range of topics discussed on this thread.
However, by rough count about 80% of the posts have had nothing to do with Series 9.???
Decks, Pups, potentials for Series 10,11,12...,lots of fun reading but properly fodder for other threads.

Welcome to the strange world of the Aerodrome and Anchorage, amigo... a Twilight Zone with more twists and turns than a corkscrew, but eventually always seems to meander back to topic. LOL

matt56
04-13-2015, 14:21
There are a number of 'pretty' schemes available for the Phoenix, Thomas - some more 'iconic' than others.
I would hope one of the 1 1/2 Strutters might be from a Home Defense Squadron as they were used later in the war for that purpose.
And the Albatros CIII was such a workhorse that there should be any number of options.

Perhaps we haven't heard anything definite because they haven't made those decisions yet...:( But a little tease would be nice, especially now the Kickstarter is done and the Series 8 stuff is on its way...:)

Hope all is well with you - it was great seeing you again in Ada a few weeks ago!

All the best,
Matt

zenlizard
04-13-2015, 14:42
It was built by Brandenburg of Germany 50 produced and by Phonix of AH 72 produced. The Phonix produced ones were a better aircraft by installing a 185hp engine, made lighter and pilot seat was raised. Only 3 of the 68 confirmed kills were attributed to the Brandenburg D.I's.
The Phonix D.I was built by Phonix in three different series 128, 228 and 328 all had 200hp engines. Its was noted that the pilot could stall the aircraft virtually on the spot and drop several hundred meters without losing control. It was very easy to fly for former 2 seat pilots. It was faster than the Albatros D.III and better flight characteristics than the Aviatik D.I. Some pilots claimed that the aircraft was to stable and slow.


Oooooh, yes, beat me to the punch: but also, some additional notes:
The original designer was Ernst Heinkel, working for the Hansa-Brandenburg company: this, although a German company, designed & built the original for the Austrian army, not the German army. There was, though, a seaplane variant, the KDW (Kampf-Doppeldekker-Wasser) used by the German Navy. The Austro-Hungarian designs at first, did not have a synchronized machinegun: instead, the gun was mounted in a pod on the top wing-kept a lot of foreign material from getting into the mechanism, but also prevented the pilot from accessing the gun an clearing a jam.

john snelling
04-13-2015, 23:46
Oooooh, yes, beat me to the punch: but also, some additional notes:
The original designer was Ernst Heinkel, working for the Hansa-Brandenburg company: this, although a German company, designed & built the original for the Austrian army, not the German army. There was, though, a seaplane variant, the KDW (Kampf-Doppeldekker-Wasser) used by the German Navy. The Austro-Hungarian designs at first, did not have a synchronized machinegun: instead, the gun was mounted in a pod on the top wing-kept a lot of foreign material from getting into the mechanism, but also prevented the pilot from accessing the gun an clearing a jam.

I have not read where the gun was prone to jamming perhaps due to its low rate of fire.

Doug
04-14-2015, 01:06
Well I am looking forward to all the planes. As probably stated by other this series starts to fill the early war gaps. When is it due for release?

Diamondback
04-14-2015, 06:41
Doug, gonna tell you the same thing as the retailers: *laughs*

Geez, aren't we an impatient bunch? New toys just streeted and barely in hand, and already jonesing for the next hit of Plastic Crack... LOL

Flying Helmut
04-14-2015, 13:01
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Jager
04-15-2015, 03:15
I have not read where the gun was prone to jamming perhaps due to its low rate of fire.

Probably no more than any other MG at the time. However, jams happen, and if you can't clear it, well :hmm:
This is why pilots objected to aircraft designers' little quirks, like burying the MGs into the fuselage to reduce drag, thus disarming the pilot in event of the inevitable jam.
IIRC, the Schwarzlose MG M.07/12 had problems being synchronized for firing through the propeller, hence the A-H use of top-wing gun pods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzlose_MG_M.07/12#Use_as_an_aircraft_gun
Karl

john snelling
04-15-2015, 11:07
Probably no more than any other MG at the time. However, jams happen, and if you can't clear it, well :hmm:
This is why pilots objected to aircraft designers' little quirks, like burying the MGs into the fuselage to reduce drag, thus disarming the pilot in event of the inevitable jam.
IIRC, the Schwarzlose MG M.07/12 had problems being synchronized for firing through the propeller, hence the A-H use of top-wing gun pods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzlose_MG_M.07/12#Use_as_an_aircraft_gun
Karl

Never read where the gun jammed has much as the Lewis. Some AH aces never seem to have a jamming problem at all while using the baby coffin. I think a good house rule would be ignore green jam if flying a Brandenburg D.I.

Jager
04-15-2015, 11:31
Never read where the gun jammed has much as the Lewis. Some AH aces never seem to have a jamming problem at all while using the baby coffin. I think a good house rule would be ignore green jam if flying a Brandenburg D.I.

The Lewis was certainly more prone to jams, due to rounds being feed from a looser storage (pan) than the belt. While I have not researched A-H pilot accounts, this was mentioned as a fault with the gun pod planes in numerous references I've read. Isn't ignoring the green jam token the advantage of a bullet-checker?
Karl

Marechallannes
04-19-2015, 12:51
..., the Schwarzlose MG M.07/12 had problems being synchronized for firing through the propeller, hence the A-H use of top-wing gun pods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzlose_MG_M.07/12#Use_as_an_aircraft_gun
Karl

Interseting Information, Karl.



Searched the forum for some threads about the Comic Fighters.

Do you thinkt that the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter (Comic Fighter) should be able to fire while overlapping the target's base similar to the WGS "Schräge Musik" rules?

I think this should be allowed against planes with bigger bases (Gothas and Kickstarter Zeppelins) and balloons whith or without altitude rules.

Jager
04-19-2015, 14:57
Interseting Information, Karl.



Searched the forum for some threads about the Comic Fighters.

Do you thinkt that the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter (Comic Fighter) should be able to fire while overlapping the target's base similar to the WGS "Schräge Musik" rules?

I think this should be allowed against planes with bigger bases (Gothas and Kickstarter Zeppelins) and balloons whith or without altitude rules.

Depends on whether they had the Foster mounts (like the Se-5a) or the rigid upward firing mounts. While the Foster was used to fire upward into a opposing aircraft ( notably by Ball), at night, while controlling an aircraft esp. in the turbulence of a Gotha or Giant :erk:
Since the Strutter had either one, I would allow the rule, though maybe as an ace ability(?)
Karl

flash
04-22-2015, 02:46
Definitely depends on the mounting type - this Camel Comic in the IWM has fixed mounts for the Lewis guns pointing forward

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The images for Strutter models suggest the twin mount was angled upward

http://www.vonhoffmann.org/Sopwith_Comic_-_005.jpg

Zoe Brain
04-22-2015, 05:12
N6812 is a modified ship's camel, souped up and lightened to give a greater climb rate. The Comic had a longer (ie standard) wingspan, and the cockpit moved back.


The Sopwith Camel 2 F1 on display in the IWM WW1 Exhibition is the aeroplane which, in 1918 was flown by Flight Sub Lieutenant Stuart D Culley from a barge towed by HMS Redoubt when he shot down German Zeppelin L 53, the last to fall during the first world war

This version is the navy version, which has a slightly shorter wingspan and replaced the Vickers gun with two Lewis .303 machine guns mounted on top of the upper wing allowing it to fire above the propeller disc.

The reason for the mods to Culley's machine appears to have been to increase fire power back to a two gun salvo whilst keeping weight down to allow the aircraft to climb as rapidly as possible - two Lewises being lighter than a Vickers and a Lewis. Moreover the Lewis could be loaded with a mixed load of explosive/incendiary rounds and this was not done with the belt fed Vickers, The cost was the reduction in total ammunition (the guns on Culley's machine were not reloadable in flight and only had the basic minimum capacity drum) so the tactic was to climb very fast to Zeppelin operating altitude and make a single firing pass before they could react by dropping ballast. If you think about it similar tactics to the German Me163 rocket fighter of WW2. Culleys machine has been discussed in some detail in a thread some time ago

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=214742

guthroth
04-22-2015, 11:17
Back OT, do we have a release date for S9 ?

WWIflyingace
04-22-2015, 13:36
The images for Strutter models suggest the twin mount was angled upward

http://www.vonhoffmann.org/Sopwith_Comic_-_005.jpg

This looks almost identical to the 1915 copyrighted photo I found of a Bristol Scout; only it had just one Lewis and it appeared to be on a hinge so the gun could be tilted forward a bit. Plus it was a photo of an actual airplane...

Marechallannes
04-22-2015, 22:11
Back OT, do we have a release date for S9 ?


Don't expect them for 2015.

First we'll see pictures at Facebook & prototypes at toy fairs. Maybe at Essen/Germany in Oktober 2015 but I can't believe this.

flash
04-23-2015, 00:09
Found a real picture of it Sven, front cockpit's faired over, pilot sits in the rear to operate the gun system:

http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Crowood/113-2.jpg

Looks like the guns stay in that angle up position.

Marechallannes
04-23-2015, 00:22
Thank you, Dave.

I get more and more intersted in the home defense squadrons of the RFC.

If Ares Games promises us a comic fighter version, I'll buy it for shure.

The only point I'm afraid of is, that the mini may not have the individual construction and position of the armament of a comic fighter. (bigger wings, displaced cockpit other machine guns)

Mike George
06-05-2015, 12:40
Any up date when these will be released?

Timmo UK
06-05-2015, 12:56
So am I right in understanding that we are only getting the single seat fighter version of the Sopwith 1 1/2?

Angiolillo
06-05-2015, 22:24
This time yes, both in the standard and in the Comic version. In the future the two seater version will be released too.

prymus
06-05-2015, 23:55
These are some outstanding models to introduce to the game system. Certainly must have been a lot of thought put into the decision. Thanks, really looking forward to these.

flash
06-06-2015, 00:44
This time yes, both in the standard and in the Comic version. In the future the two seater version will be released too.

That's very disappointing to hear if that's the case, how far in the future can we expect the two seat version to be produced - if ever ?

Timmo UK
06-06-2015, 03:22
That's very disappointing to hear if that's the case, how far in the future can we expect the two seat version to be produced - if ever ?

My thought as well. I don't really understand that decision. If a single seat Sopwith was missing from the range it's the Pup not the 1 1/2 and yet the latter would make a very useful additional as a two seater.

flash
06-06-2015, 04:16
My thought as well. I don't really understand that decision. If a single seat Sopwith was missing from the range it's the Pup not the 1 1/2 and yet the latter would make a very useful additional as a two seater.

Quite ! Still, depending on the configuration, maybe they can be used as the single seat bomber version ?

Angiolillo
06-06-2015, 05:18
yes for sure, the two non-Comic versions.

Naharaht
06-06-2015, 05:44
The two-seater was the standard form of the 1 1/2 Strutter. The single seater bomber and the comic night-fighter were specialized versions.

john snelling
06-06-2015, 06:02
Very interesting. I would have never guessed the single seat would have came out before the 2 seater. It really does not matter I'm hooked.
I hope one of them will be French.

LOOP
06-07-2015, 23:46
My thought as well. I don't really understand that decision. If a single seat Sopwith was missing from the range it's the Pup not the 1 1/2 and yet the latter would make a very useful additional as a two seater.

My first thought to!! :p

Jager
06-08-2015, 08:11
This time yes, both in the standard and in the Comic version. In the future the two seater version will be released too.

A fairly odd turn of events; I suppose that if the comic version was desired, only to other 1 seat versions could be made at the same time, given how these models are made.
Of course, that gives us 2 bombers, and a nightfighter :hmm:
Karl

csadn
06-08-2015, 15:11
Short Version: Ares Screws Up Again.

Timmo UK
06-08-2015, 15:17
I wonder if they could have made the two seat version for two models then popped in a blanking piece over one cockpit opening to make the fuselage a single seat format, adding the angled guns as required.

Yet another classic example of ARES utterly bizarre thinking that seems to make little commercial sense.

Gallo Rojo
06-08-2015, 15:17
yup! the single seat version of the 1 1/2 is disappointing :(
I don't understand this tendency to produce minis of rare birds when when we still lack some of the most commonly used planes
Additionally, two-seat 1 1/2 would had been a nice counter part to the also two-seater Albatross C.III

Oberst Hajj
06-08-2015, 16:45
There really is no pleasing us :(

greenalfonzo
06-08-2015, 19:33
I'm kind of shocked as well. The classic strutter is the two seater. I have never compared blueprints, but I believe the single version kept one seat in the same position, and faired over the other? As stated, it would seem simple to produce a plug to cover one of the cockpits so we could have both 2 seat and single seat versions in one set. They do it for the guns after all.

Marechallannes
06-08-2015, 22:59
I'm not that familiar with the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, but I think I'll mainly use them for British home defense.

Maybe the idea was to fight the upcoming Staakens or Zeppelins over England.

gully_raker
06-08-2015, 23:21
:thumbsup: ;) You can always get a 2 seat Strutter via Shapeways. They were a popular aircraft with the RNAS & French.

Here is mine.

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Twisted_terrain
06-08-2015, 23:43
Found a real picture of it Sven, front cockpit's faired over, pilot sits in the rear to operate the gun system:

http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Crowood/113-2.jpg

Looks like the guns stay in that angle up position.

"Schrage musik" anyone, how long did bomber command scratch their heads, don't spose anyone thought of asking the old home defence or fighter command.

Twisted_terrain
06-08-2015, 23:54
The 1.5 strutter spent a lot of time in it's many formats, to release the fighters first I would say is a mistake for us, maybe not so for ares, it would be nice to be privy to their descision making process. It was the staple workhorse bomber for both British air forces and has been mentioned the French loved it also. Just my two penneth, I'm off to a "Galaxy a long time ago far,far away...

Nightbomber
06-09-2015, 00:20
I'm not that familiar with the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, but I think I'll mainly use them for British home defense.

Maybe the idea was to fight the upcoming Staakens or Zeppelins over England.

It was an iconic victim-plane during the Bloody April, Sven. Having them would result in many ready to go quite historically based scenarios.

Nightbomber
06-09-2015, 00:22
:thumbsup: ;) You can always get a 2 seat Strutter via Shapeways. They were a popular aircraft with the RNAS & French.

Here is mine.

166813

Beautiful paint/decal job, Barry. Are the triangle markings connected in a way with Middle East fights?

Oberst Hajj
06-09-2015, 06:49
I'm not that familiar with the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, but I think I'll mainly use them for British home defense.

Maybe the idea was to fight the upcoming Staakens or Zeppelins over England.

I'm sure this was the major driving factor behind us getting the single seat version first. They are developing the releases with an eye towards adding the most value across the entire range. The home defense model greatly expands the play option with the coming Giants and gives us an early war fighter/bomber. Had they given us the tw seat version first, the only thing we would have got was another two seater for an earlier time period (even if it was an iconic one). The scenario/missions we could play would not have changed much at all besides the years they took place in.

And with our complaints of how they mess up little details (wings to thick, etc.), would we really have wanted them to tried just plugging one of the holes to get teh single seater?? lol

Jager
06-09-2015, 15:52
And with our complaints of how they mess up little details (wings to thick, etc.), would we really have wanted them to tried just plugging one of the holes to get teh single seater?? lol

A very distinct point.
Frankly, I can live with 1 seater Strutters; according to the UAC, the decks are all the same, so I can use Ares decks for Shapeways strutters :slysmile:
Karl

OldGuy59
06-09-2015, 17:57
I'm sure this was the major driving factor behind us getting the single seat version first. They are developing the releases with an eye towards adding the most value across the entire range. The home defense model greatly expands the play option with the coming Giants and gives us an early war fighter/bomber. Had they given us the tw seat version first, the only thing we would have got was another two seater for an earlier time period (even if it was an iconic one). The scenario/missions we could play would not have changed much at all besides the years they took place in.

...


A very distinct point.
Frankly, I can live with 1 seater Strutters; according to the UAC, the decks are all the same, so I can use Ares decks for Shapeways strutters :slysmile:
Karl
Actually, we could use a two-seater base and card with a single seated plane, as the airframe dimensions are exactly the same.

It may loose a bit of visual appeal, but if all players agree to the substitution, I could see using the same plane for both configurations. Perhaps not the best solution, but workable for my gaming table.

PS: Especially if I'm using substitutions for other planes, as suggested in this thread: General Overview of WWI Miniatures - Timeline and Theaters - 2014 (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?20144-General-Overview-of-WWI-Miniatures-Timeline-and-Theaters-2014&p=311156&viewfull=1#post311156)

Teaticket
06-09-2015, 18:29
Actually, we could use a two-seater base and card with a single seated plane, as the airframe dimensions are exactly the same.

It may loose a bit of visual appeal, but if all players agree to the substitution, I could see using the same plane for both configurations. Perhaps not the best solution, but workable for my gaming table.

Yes, we can suffer with substitution until they come out with the two seater. I don't see this a a big deal...especially as I have several Shapeways 2 seaters to fly in the meantime. (the card you did for my Bee covered 1 1/2!)

gully_raker
06-09-2015, 18:34
Beautiful paint/decal job, Barry. Are the triangle markings connected in a way with Middle East fights?



:D G'day Andy! No my "take" on a similar RNAS Strutter.:thumbsup:

Dom S
06-10-2015, 01:11
And with our complaints of how they mess up little details (wings to thick, etc.), would we really have wanted them to tried just plugging one of the holes to get teh single seater?? lol
Except we're going to have that anyway.... The bomber has the front cockpit only, and the rear one faired over, but for the Comic the front cockpit was faired over and the pilot in the rear cockpit, as he wouldn't be able to access the guns if the forward cockpit position was used....

jbmacek
06-10-2015, 03:54
according to the UAC, the decks are all the same, so I can use Ares decks for Shapeways strutters :slysmile:
Karl

I guess I need to get cracking on some Strutters of my own to help fill the gap.

Dom S
06-10-2015, 04:05
More additions are always welcome, but we're not badly off for Strutters - Kampfflieger and Decapod both do them, so be aware you're probably not looking at a hot seller there.

LOOP
06-10-2015, 04:38
I will prabably buy one or two as long as they look good. ;)

Teaticket
06-10-2015, 05:14
I will get them all even though I have 6 Shapeways painted. How can you resist new planes? :eek:

Oberst Hajj
06-10-2015, 06:31
Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:


in this release, we'll have the two seat version (two styles) and the "Comic fighter" version (one seat to the rear).

So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol

Teaticket
06-10-2015, 07:02
Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:

So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol

Well, now that that is cleared up, what's next on the ugly rumor agenda to get folks all cranked up? ;)

zenlizard
06-10-2015, 07:35
Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:



So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol

When in doubt, panic. When not in doubt, get in doubt.

Jager
06-10-2015, 09:02
Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:


in this release, we'll have the two seat version (two styles) and the "Comic fighter" version (one seat to the rear).

So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol

So is Roberto not talking to Andrea, or is this a translation issue :confused:

Karl

7eat51
06-10-2015, 09:23
For more, please tune into the Anchorage where discussions about what should be included in upcoming waves will never disappoint. ;)

Oberst Hajj
06-10-2015, 09:33
So is Roberto not talking to Andrea, or is this a translation issue :confused:

Karl

Andrea has mentioned a couple of times that he is not fully inside the "production" loop. It's quite possible a change was made after he got his information.

csadn
06-10-2015, 16:51
Andrea has mentioned a couple of times that he is not fully inside the "production" loop. It's quite possible a change was made after he got his information.

"Let not the Left Hand know what the Right Hand is doing" is fine for Special Operations work (and some other activities which the Family-Friendly nature of this Forum precludes me mentioning >;) ); but for a company producing a product, NO ES BUENO....

john snelling
06-10-2015, 16:54
Okay, I just had a chat with Roberto and here is what we are getting in Series 9 as concerns the 1 1/2 Strutter:



So much like the Mayan calendar, the fear of Doomsday was unjustified here as well. lol

So much the better, would have bought either way. I still hope one of them is French.

Oberst Hajj
06-10-2015, 17:35
but for a company producing a product, NO ES BUENO....

My understanding is that Andrea does not work for Ares... so him not being involved in the production process is par for course.

gully_raker
06-10-2015, 19:06
:thumbsup: Anyway its great news that we are getting both 2 seat & Comic versions.

:minis::money::slysmile:

Nicola Zee
06-10-2015, 23:49
:thumbsup: Anyway its great news that we are getting both 2 seat & Comic versions.

:minis::money::slysmile:
Yes, that is good news and a bit of a relief!
It's about time we got a few of the standard two-seaters that fighters have a chance of shooting down. :)

flash
06-11-2015, 00:08
...in this release, we'll have the two seat version (two styles) and the "Comic fighter" version.
That makes much more sense - thanks for clarifying the point with Roberto Keith. Noduff ! :thumbsup:

Angiolillo
06-11-2015, 00:18
My understanding is that Andrea does not work for Ares... so him not being involved in the production process is par for course.

My fault. A problem of memory, not of communication. The bulk of the discussion with Ares about the Strutter and its three versions has been back in 2012. Then we spoke about in again in 2013. Last checks have been in summer 2014 - after that it has been more a production process that I see partially and from far away. In the meantime I had my head on a few more series for WW2 and WW2, Sails' ships, heavy bomber, Kickstarter, optional rules... Ok, I had other thoughts and then I was rusty on that matter - when in this thread I read that the released versions were 1-seater and Comic I took it for true without checking. Sorry for that.
In any case I confirm that all three versions were in the plans, and should be eventually released.

LOOP
06-11-2015, 04:00
Yes, that is good news and a bit of a relief!
It's about time we got a few of the standard two-seaters that fighters have a chance of shooting down. :)

Amen to that :thumbsup:

PilGrim
06-23-2015, 13:43
Probably no more than any other MG at the time. However, jams happen, and if you can't clear it, well :hmm:
This is why pilots objected to aircraft designers' little quirks, like burying the MGs into the fuselage to reduce drag, thus disarming the pilot in event of the inevitable jam.
IIRC, the Schwarzlose MG M.07/12 had problems being synchronized for firing through the propeller, hence the A-H use of top-wing gun pods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzlose_MG_M.07/12#Use_as_an_aircraft_gun
Karl

I read somewhere one of the problems was moisture getting into the canvas ammo belt with all the associated problems of icing and stretching. Metal self destructing belts are much better than fabric ones for aircraft

john snelling
06-23-2015, 18:51
I read somewhere one of the problems was moisture getting into the canvas ammo belt with all the associated problems of icing and stretching. Metal self destructing belts are much better than fabric ones for aircraft

My reading lead me to believe the AH solved the problem of moisture. By making sure the belts were dry.

PilGrim
06-24-2015, 00:09
My reading lead me to believe the AH solved the problem of moisture. By making sure the belts were dry.

Good luck with that when you fly anywhere in Europe - those clouds that so regularly fill the sky have a certain water content ;)


Getting back on topic - it seems I'm the only one a bit disappointed we are not getting the single seat light bomber version of the Strutter - ah well, there's always Shapeways

john snelling
06-24-2015, 03:58
Good luck with that when you fly anywhere in Europe - those clouds that so regularly fill the sky have a certain water content ;)


Getting back on topic - it seems I'm the only one a bit disappointed we are not getting the single seat light bomber version of the Strutter - ah well, there's always Shapeways

You win, Godwin Brumowski and the rest of the AH airforce must have been clueless.

ldsdbomber
07-03-2015, 13:26
can I ask a stupid question, is the numbering of these series spanning both wars? I have an excel sheet that I copied and pasted names and some pics from a sticky here ( I thought), and I have

S1 the one with the Fokker DR1
S2 the one with the Spad XIII
S3 the one with the Hanriot HD1
S4 the one with the Spad SVII

then I have a tab called "new" haha

but it has 8 planes, which I would make it as Series 5 and 6, thats like the Fokker DVII,Snipe,FokkerEV,Nieuport28 (S5 I thought), and then Roland,AircoDH4,Macchi and Hanover which I assumed meant Series 6

but this is called series 8 in another thread here and "series 9" is talked about as next

so either Im missing 2 complete sets of 4 planes, or the numbering isnt exclusive to WW1 or I'm missing something else

help?

PS
having a hard time finding an Airco DH4 to round out the new collection, any reason why that plane in particular is hard to get hold of?

Pseudotheist
07-03-2015, 15:02
can I ask a stupid question, is the numbering of these series spanning both wars?
It shouldn't, but it's also not an official designation any more. Let me see if I can remember the series...

1: Fokker Dr.1, Albatros D.Va, Sopwith Camel, SPAD XIII
2: Fokker D.VII, Sopwith Snipe, 2-seaters
3: Nieuport XVII, Albatros D.III, more 2-seaters
4: Se-5a, Pfalz D.III, more 2-seaters:
5: Airco DH-2, Moraine-Saulnier Bullet, Halberstadt D.III, Fokker Eindekker
6: SPAD VII, Sopwith Triplane, Albatros D.II, Siemens-Schuckert D.III
7: Hanriot HD-1, Aviatik D.1, more 2-seaters
8: Nieuport 28, Fokker D.VIII, Macchi M5, another 2-seater

Diamondback
07-03-2015, 15:15
Lee, if you PM me your email I can send you a better spreadsheet which includes everything--at a lot more detail--of the released products, both Ares and Nexus, both mini and defunct card lines. :)

It's got a lot of blanks that need filling in and things that need re-formatting still, so you'd be getting a look at a work-in-process that's been in development for several years.

cardinal palin
07-30-2015, 11:45
Love all of them even the Phoenix for fighting the Italians