1st completed card models: Se5a's

[MoonSylver]

Here are the pic's of my first completed card models, a pair of Se5a's. Overall I'm moderately pleased. They look better in person. They don't photograph well IMO. They don't look to bad from a distance, but up close not so good. I matched the paint as best I could when painting the edges, but it still shows pretty bad. Might try colored pencil instead. I got a little happy with the glue, but I wanted them to be strong. The matte spray I used on them looks glossy in the pics for some reason, but is not in person (most of the pics w/ out flash came out too poor to use. Included are some comparison shots of official Camels.

Not sure if I'll continue or not. If they don't photograph well I think I might as well continue with cards. I had started a Halberstadt CL.II, so I might finish it. We'll see.

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[georgerutherfor]

Rob,

I would say those look pretty good. Our pictures are almost always larger than the models themselves, so of course they are going to show some imperfections. Are they your first paper models? Paper can be a challenge to work with in our scale, but if you persist you'll see that your planes just get better and better.

Doug

[Flying Officer Kyte]

For a first effort that looks pretty promising Rob.:thumbsup:
At least they look like what they are meant to be.
I think you are being too hypercritical.
As Doug says, practice makes perfect. So don't give up the ship just yet.:surrender:
At least the Red Baron has not filled them full of bullet holes!:guns::camel:
Rob.

[somaliavet]

For a first time build, those are some excellent results. Don't be too critical, as they look like perfectly playable models to me! Nice job! :thumbsup:

[OldGuy59]

Rob,

NIce work on your planes!:thumbsup:

I hear you on the edge painting issue. However, I found something (my Better half, actually found them, bought them, and brought them home for me) that works really well for my models (and some SE 5a's are coming). Staedtler Triplus Fineliners are what I have used on my models, and the colour matches are completely serendipitous.

You can see the results on my models, and they work fairly well. I have to watch that the ink doesn't soak into the paper, so a few light coats works better than trying to make it look good all at once (it's a paper/liquid thing, I think). Results are in my albums, and threads. These threads talk about the markers:

My 1st Project - Markers mentioned (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?10996-Zio-Prudenzio-Model-Cards-My-1st-Project&p=165354&viewfull=1#post165354);
My 2nd Project - Fokker DR1 (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?11613-Zio-Prudenzio-Model-Cards-My-2nd-Project-Fokker-DR1&p=167424#post167424);
My 3rd Project - Sopwith Camel (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?13628-Zio-Prudenzio-Model-Cards-My-3rd-Project-Sopwith-Camel-10-RNAS-MacGregor&p=198354#post198354);
My 5th Project - Albatros D.V - Shows edge marking of parts (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?13630-Zio-Prudenzio-Model-Cards-My-5th-Project-Albatros-D-V-Schleich&p=198391#post198391).

So, you might try something like this for your next models. You could try using any type of marker on an edge of cardboard to see what happens, before touching tip to model, if you are not sure. And you could see if the colours are close enough holding the results against the printed model. I have noted that the liquid UHU glue I use is nearly marker-proof, or at least it prevents bleeding of the ink into the paper.

Mike :)

[seagull]

I couldn't even imagine starting one of those paper models, let alone completing two of them. :hatsoff:

A great first attempt, things can only get better. Meanwhile I'm still trying to complete a couple of Shapeways paint jobs but find my eyes and my hands aren't as good as they used to be. :cry:

[MoonSylver]

Thank you all for the encouragement. It's definitely appreciated. :hmm:


Rob,

I would say those look pretty good. Our pictures are almost always larger than the models themselves, so of course they are going to show some imperfections. Are they your first paper models? Paper can be a challenge to work with in our scale, but if you persist you'll see that your planes just get better and better.

Doug

Good point on the photography. Yes these were my first. There was an incomplete one before these that was even worse. I did see a big jump in learning from it to these.


For a first effort that looks pretty promising Rob.:thumbsup:
At least they look like what they are meant to be.
I think you are being too hypercritical..

That's me alright. :( Looking at them with a less critical eye, they do look really good in some shots. I actually am pretty happy with the build. I think it's that bloody awful paint job that killed them. Oh well, maybe the next ones will be better. :hmm:


As Doug says, practice makes perfect. So don't give up the ship just yet.:surrender:
At least the Red Baron has not filled them full of bullet holes!:guns::camel:
Rob.

Not yet, anyway. ;)

For a first time build, those are some excellent results. Don't be too critical, as they look like perfectly playable models to me! Nice job! :thumbsup:

Thank you. I guess I was just dissapointed that after I was so careful building them & spent so much time that they didn't come out better. :(


Rob,

NIce work on your planes!:thumbsup:

I hear you on the edge painting issue. However, I found something (my Better half, actually found them, bought them, and brought them home for me) that works really well for my models (and some SE 5a's are coming). Staedtler Triplus Fineliners are what I have used on my models, and the colour matches are completely serendipitous.

You can see the results on my models, and they work fairly well. I have to watch that the ink doesn't soak into the paper, so a few light coats works better than trying to make it look good all at once (it's a paper/liquid thing, I think). Results are in my albums, and threads. These threads talk about the markers:

My 1st Project - Markers mentioned (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?10996-Zio-Prudenzio-Model-Cards-My-1st-Project&p=165354&viewfull=1#post165354);
My 2nd Project - Fokker DR1 (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?11613-Zio-Prudenzio-Model-Cards-My-2nd-Project-Fokker-DR1&p=167424#post167424);
My 3rd Project - Sopwith Camel (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?13628-Zio-Prudenzio-Model-Cards-My-3rd-Project-Sopwith-Camel-10-RNAS-MacGregor&p=198354#post198354);
My 5th Project - Albatros D.V - Shows edge marking of parts (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?13630-Zio-Prudenzio-Model-Cards-My-5th-Project-Albatros-D-V-Schleich&p=198391#post198391).

So, you might try something like this for your next models. You could try using any type of marker on an edge of cardboard to see what happens, before touching tip to model, if you are not sure. And you could see if the colours are close enough holding the results against the printed model. I have noted that the liquid UHU glue I use is nearly marker-proof, or at least it prevents bleeding of the ink into the paper.

Mike :)

Thanks for the tips. I'd read all of your posts with great interest. I havn't seen any of these around yet. I'm considering eithr A) painting the edges BEFORE assembly next time, as I go (to avoid "slopping" paint onto other areas) or B) masking area's I don't want paint on w/ painters tape or even a piece of paper. Colored pencils are still under consideration too, for the wings & body at least.


I couldn't even imagine starting one of those paper models, let alone completing two of them. :hatsoff:

A great first attempt, things can only get better. Meanwhile I'm still trying to complete a couple of Shapeways paint jobs but find my eyes and my hands aren't as good as they used to be. :cry:

I bought one of those huge magnifying glasses that you can hang around your next that also has a fold out stand to stand up & is positionable from the sewing section @ Wal-Mart for painting miniatures that I've been using.

Honestly, the physical build wasn't as hard as I thought, but it DOES take a lot more time than I expected. I think I put in 10 to 12 hours on each plane. :eek:

I did put in another hour on the Halberstadt I started last night, so we'll see. One thing that's frustrating is I'm in such a "hurry" to build the planes I want that I'm not getting any gaming done! :( I may have to "slow down" a bit in order to make room for both... :hmm:

[Flying Officer Kyte]

One thing that's frustrating is I'm in such a "hurry" to build the planes I want that I'm not getting any gaming done! :( I may have to "slow down" a bit in order to make room for both... :hmm:

I think that is a problem that all of us who build our own face from time to time.
I know that I am always torn between getting this mail done, building my next plane, reading up on a topic, or having a game.
I'm afraid that with me what tends to go on the back burner most is producing the ancillary stuff like model ships, trains, tanks and scenery. That only gets done if all the other things are completed, which is never. Therefore, I sometimes have to call a halt to everything and decide to have a week on the bits and bobs.
Rob.

[Baron Rolf]

I've got a Albatros D.III to do some time, but for me personally they both look great.

[MoonSylver]

I think that is a problem that all of us who build our own face from time to time.
I know that I am always torn between getting this mail done, building my next plane, reading up on a topic, or having a game.
I'm afraid that with me what tends to go on the back burner most is producing the ancillary stuff like model ships, trains, tanks and scenery. That only gets done if all the other things are completed, which is never. Therefore, I sometimes have to call a halt to everything and decide to have a week on the bits and bobs.
Rob.

Glad to know it's not just me then. :) I'm hoping to knock out some Halberstadt's to use for the current OtT mission. But now I'm tempted to do "just one more" Se5a, just to see if I can "get it right" this time. But I also need to get in a Saturday night game, since I missed the last two... :hmm:


I've got a Albatros D.III to do some time, but for me personally they both look great.

Thank you. I'm hoping for better, but I'm still moderately pleased. I'm trying to think of ways I might be able to fix the paint, but I'm thinking I'll probably make it worse...:hmm:

[batesyboy]

Hi there,
I have become fluent with cheating tactics over the years...lol
I have a magnifying lamp, which helps no end !
Also try printing out a spare copy or two so you can knock your colour together before committing
to the final model.
Another advanced cheat is to adjust the colour of the model (in photoshop) to accurately mimic the colour
scan a swatch of colour paint, and go from there...
I`ve nearly completed a new design (Martinsyde F4 Buzzard) after a long lay off (other comitments)

Here` s my McCudden Se (my design) along with a standard Se and my scalpel for a size reference
ATB
Batesyboy

[MoonSylver]

:eek:

My god, that is beautiful! How in heavens name do you get such crisp lines?!? I'd dare say yours looks better than the official one!

I've finished 2 Halberstadt CL.II's & a Fokker D.VII since last weekend. I'm really happy w/ Halb #2 & the D.VII. I feel like I've finally caught the hang a bit. I'll be posting pics of them w/in the next day or two.

But even though I', very pleased witht the physical build on them, they're no where near that level of quality. :(

Thanks for the tips. THe color adjust in PS (or GIMP for me) is a good one. :thumbsup:

[georgerutherfor]

Rob, sounds like you've caught the paper model bug! Would love to see those pictures. Batesyboy has made some excellent models, and provided us in the community as some good ones as well, including the oft-used oft-shot down and therefore noone wants to fly it Be2c. They make excellent targets...err, participants in Bloody April scenarios.

Doug

[MoonSylver]

Rob, sounds like you've caught the paper model bug! Would love to see those pictures. Batesyboy has made some excellent models, and provided us in the community as some good ones as well, including the oft-used oft-shot down and therefore noone wants to fly it Be2c. They make excellent targets...err, participants in Bloody April scenarios.

Doug

A little bit. I have a lot of planes that I want/want to use, but I'm not tracking them down/paying after market prices. I do enjoy it, but it's a LOT of work as well. I probably put in 20+ hours this past week on 3 planes...it's almost a part-time job! :( But, if you want something, you have to roll up your sleeves & work for it. :)

If I can get some picks tonight I will. I used colored pencils on the join lines this time. Result is not bad. You can still see the seams, but they don't "stick out" as bad as when left white, so I may live with it. It looks better than sloppy paint anyway.

One thing that occurred to me to be worth mentioning, I'm using #110 wt card. I know others have suggested lighter, but I really wanted the solid "heft" of it. I don't find it hard to work with, but I may not get the kind of crisp edges as above with it?

One thing that helped this time is I switched glues again. I had no luck with it on the first unfinished plane. The two SE's above were done entirely with superglue, which is great for the setting up & hold, but bonds too fast (even the extra time stuff a bit).

This time I used gel superglue & it's perfect. No mess, doesn't bond until you squeeze it into position, it was the best yet. :)

[batesyboy]

Here`s the first Buzzard.
Cheers
Batesyboy

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Hip hip Hurrah! for the Buzzard.
Kyte.

[batesyboy]

Whilst i think of it,
I tried a new technique to eliminate the white paper joins,
basically i used a small amount of a thin wash, which allowed the paint to seep or bleed just enough to camoflage
the joints, i applied this using the edge of the brush on the white tips, worked ok !

[MoonSylver]

Whilst i think of it,
I tried a new technique to eliminate the white paper joins,
basically i used a small amount of a thin wash, which allowed the paint to seep or bleed just enough to camoflage
the joints, i applied this using the edge of the brush on the white tips, worked ok !

Good idea. The area I stuggled with the most on those Se's was the wing edges, especially with them being green on the top & beige underneith...:eek:

Buzzard looks good. I'm still mystitfied how you got such clean, crisp lines on the Se. :huh:

I woke up an hour early today unexpectedly & lept out of bed & put in a couple hours on the last Halberstadt I needed. Other than the peg, putting some matte on it, a little "sanding" etc it's DONE! So I hope to have picks up tonight...:)