View Full Version : Next WWI Bomber release.
Flying Officer Kyte
11-20-2012, 03:33
Which of the remaining unreleased WWI bombers would you like to see released next?
You may vote for two machines as this seems to be the most likely scenario for releases.
Rob.
The Cowman
11-20-2012, 03:46
My vote is for the 0/400 and the Staaken... even if they end up being pricier than previous releases...
gully_raker
11-20-2012, 03:54
:thumbsup: Yeah my pick was the same as Kens even though I have a Shapeways 0/400.:D
The Cowman
11-20-2012, 04:02
I still have 2 Skytrex 0/400 and a Staaken in my build queue... but how nice would it be to have extras that do not have to be built or painted!
Aye I could live with a Handley Page and a Staaken pre-made and painted too :)
Biggles downunder
11-20-2012, 04:42
Felixstowe and Friedrichshafen get my vote.
Marechallannes
11-20-2012, 06:12
Handley Page O/400 & Zeppelin Staaken R.VI
That's my choice...:money:
I have an unpainted Felixstowe, but I need of fleet of them.
marcoperse
11-20-2012, 07:11
My choice is Felixstowe and Friedrichshafen, I like them both
Marco
wargamer
11-20-2012, 07:13
Curtiss H.16 and Zeppelin Staaken R.VI
Archidamus
11-20-2012, 08:25
Handley Page O/400 & Zeppelin Staaken R.VI would also be my choice - even if I'd need a bigger table to play them :D
Marechallannes
11-20-2012, 09:28
The Caproni Ca.4 is a nice bomber, too.
But I already own (a Clipper made) one from a won contest.;)
The Friedrichshafen would be cool in Belgian colours.
clipper1801
11-20-2012, 11:34
What ever! I have 4-6 of each on the list already. . . gotta keep those elves working or they get distracted with house chores like book shelves etc. . . or is it book she elves they keep ordering? Hmmmmm
Carl_Brisgamer
11-20-2012, 15:17
My votes go to the Handley Page O/400 & Zeppelin Staaken R.VI.
Baldrick62
11-20-2012, 15:20
How about none of the above. At least an AEG G-type or a Letord can be used in daylight.
wargamer
11-20-2012, 19:57
Don't know about that. The Curtiss would probably be a major pain to operate in the dark. Landing on the water in the dark, brrrrr.
Flying Officer Kyte
11-21-2012, 00:10
How about none of the above. At least an AEG G-type or a Letord can be used in daylight.
I take your point Balders, and nearly had an open poll, but decided to restrict it to aircraft which already have cards as the most likely to be acceptable by Ares for release.
Rob.
Guntruck
11-21-2012, 01:13
0/400 and F2A
Felixstowe as that is one that fly's in daylight, is armed to the max, and even though there are no German seaplanes by ARES there are lot of other German planes that could be used, for example a Gotha returning home intercepted by a Felixstowe!
Diamondback
11-21-2012, 16:49
Uh, guys... if tooled right you could probably get both the Felixstowe AND the H.16 out of one set of tooling, since the historical Felixstowes were reconstructions from Curtiss basic airframes.
With that development, I'm seeing a problem that we have 3 Entente basic aircraft, 1 Central Powers and 1 "shared" aircraft. (That Belgian Friedrichshafen's circumstances are so cool it's just GOTTA be done someday...)
So, O/400 and R.VI are one logical pair for the superheavies, Ca.4 is about midway between them and the G.III so those two might roughly balance--when selecting releases to advocate for, I try to make sure that each opposed pair of planes roughly balances in size and capability--which leaves the flying boats as odd ducks out. Sadly, I can find no historical record of true large flying boats for the CP, only small seaplane fighters (which the Austro-Hungarians unwillingly supplied a few engineering samples of to the Italians, like a captured Lohner L, that ended up being reverse-engineered, improved and adopted into service IIRC).
This is also why I've been trying to plant a bug in Ares' collective ear about packaging the Drachens as a "Balloon Busters Redux" with a Central Powers fighter, as a direct balance to the original with one each Entente/CP balloons but two Entente fighters, and a future WGS series with Dauntless, Shturmovik and two Axis fighters as a direct counterbalance to the old WoW WWII Series 2.
Personal philosophy on future release preferences:
1. Each release should either
(a) be balanced within itself, or
(b) correct a previously unbalanced set. (Note: Balance does not mean "exact clone," just that as far as possible opposing aircraft should be roughly similar but with strengths and weaknesses balancing each other, like the old scenario with "fragile but agile Nieuport 11 vs. stouter Halberstadt".)
2. To the extent possible, aircraft selected to do this, and paint schemes for same, should be drawn from existing Wings of War cards.
Biggles downunder
11-21-2012, 17:06
Despite my earlier post (and wish list) I've got to say that is a well-reasoned and well-written post Diamondback - I hope Ares take note!
Diamondback
11-21-2012, 17:26
Thanks, amigo--part of it is a view that since WWI was a grueling war of attrition and any side gaining a landslide technical edge would either swiftly gain victory or an enemy capability to neutralize it, the same mechanics should be at work in the game.
That and, one of the lessons I learned from Richard Baker when he was designing A&A War at Sea was about the need to try to balance as many interests as possible per outlay of capital expenditure--not necessarily to PLEASE everyone at once, but to stroke each fanbase group a little in turn so that even if they don't get their biggest want this set they'll still buy in so you can get the funds to develop a future set with something they DO slobber over, knowing that everybody takes a turn on the long end and on the short end of the stick.
Flying Officer Kyte
11-22-2012, 03:29
:salute:Thanks for the input Diamondback.
I did wonder about bothering with the Curtiss because as a modder, itis easy to alter a Felixstowe, but as we ain't all up to it, and in the interest of "Hands across the Ocean" I decided to put in all the aircraft included in "FoG".
Your observations are, therefore, most welcome as they reinforce my own prejudices.:lol:
Rob.
grumpybear
11-22-2012, 04:55
Felixstowe and Friedrichshafen get my vote.
Ditto
wargamer
11-22-2012, 08:58
Perhaps instead of just a bomber poll, we need a seaplane poll. Set up for early naval aviation.
Diamondback
11-22-2012, 12:04
Quite welcome, Rob--I'm not a modder, but I do have a little machine and tool experience, which is why I suggested tooling the Curtiss/Felixstowe cousins on the same mold, with common parts on one "main mold" and the A/C-specific ones on an "accessory mold." For example, on one F-15* kit I have on my workbench, on Sprue D the common parts are on the main sprue, but the attached DA-1 or DA-2 accessory sections are the corresponding parts for single- or two-seater versions, and the tool was cut with some kind of molding gate to block whichever DA section isn't the one for the kit. So maybe wing, engines and tailgroup in the main section, with H.16 and F.2a fuselage side-sections...
*If you must know, it's an Academy F-15I that I'm stripping for parts to improve the more-accurately-shaped Revell -E, which I'm building as a conceptual "best parts from everything Extreme Eagle demonstrator".
clipper1801
11-22-2012, 12:34
Got my Curtiss' already!
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Curtiss%20H16/2012-05-01_00-14-56_935.jpg
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h379/Revchaos/Curtiss%20H16/2012-05-01_00-18-53_839.jpg
Some one did a conversion thread a while back . . .
Flying Officer Kyte
11-22-2012, 14:57
Perhaps instead of just a bomber poll, we need a seaplane poll. Set up for early naval aviation.
Off you go then Al.
Rob.
I need a Friedrichshafen to have all the German BIG bombers!!!
wargamer
11-22-2012, 19:10
Off you go then Al.
Rob.
Right. http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?12511-Naval-Aviation-in-the-early-days
Flying Officer Kyte
11-23-2012, 01:00
Right. http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/showthread.php?12511-Naval-Aviation-in-the-early-days
Good man.
Rob.
How about none of the above. At least an AEG G-type or a Letord can be used in daylight.
In a large part, I agree with you, as well as your earlier posts about big bombers (re: Gothas). The what-ifs for the Z Ss and H PS to be attacked by fighters can be interesting, but giving the experience with Gothas, even "escorted" makes me realise how vulnerable they were in real life. OTOH, this is more about marketing not simulating actual air operations.
Karl
Is the bomber line going to continue or were the four that were released it kind of like the balloons?
Flying Officer Kyte
11-29-2012, 11:53
Is the bomber line going to continue or were the four that were released it kind of like the balloons?
A very good question Keith, and the one which was partly responsible for my starting this poll in the hope that someone in the know at Ares might be moved to respond. Or do you think that this is just:deadhorse: or:brickwal:
Rob.
As shallow as it sounds, I avoided the recent bomber line because they weren't RFC.
They look nice and all, but I would like to see an official HP or a Felixstowe. The Gotha or Zeppelin Staaken could be a possible future purchase for me if I switch sides.
I know I'd buy anything official if I'm being totally honest ...
I do think the RFC bombers would have had greater interest, but I also don't see these NOT selling out... There's still a market for balloons as well...and even though I have 4 of them I'd love some alternate designs or heck ... even more of the official ones they're just fun to play with on the board if if they aren't tactical for anything other than juicy targets and LOS blockers :)
Biggles downunder
11-29-2012, 17:56
I know it wasn't in the poll, but how about the Caudron R.11? Even though it is already available from Shapeways: http://www.shapeways.com/model/508429/1-144-caudron-r-11.html?li=productBox-search
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If I'm going to shell out for a bomber I want to see something VERY prickly to get near. The HP or Staaken would be my picks for the next two. They're iconic and, quite frankly, the Staaken is a total beast. I don't know how the number of guns on that sucker don't just clink into one another during a bombing raid! lo;)l
My vote is for the 0/400 and the Staaken... even if they end up being pricier than previous releases...
I agree 100%
The 0/400 and the Friedrichshafen G.III for me.
dont know how I missed this poll
Handley Page
Zeppelin Staaken R.VI
Friedrichshafen
Handley Page
- and that's how I voted. Caproni is also interesting, but there is one already.
Felixstowe and Zeppelin Staaken for me, please :)
bryanruhe
05-16-2013, 22:57
Felixstowe and Zeppelin Staaken for me, please :)
Yes!
monty's double
06-07-2013, 14:22
The Felixstowe and the Friedrichschafen for me if pushed.
I would be thrilled with the Zeppellin and with the Caproni or the Handley Page.
greenalfonzo
06-08-2013, 08:10
I would prefer to see more bombers of the medium two engine types. I like their versatility on the table top. My preferences would be the AEG G.IV. The Caudron R.11 would be a nice counterpart.
For the heavy types, I can't see how you can have a poll without giving a choice to the Sikorsky Ilya Muromets.
Flying Officer Kyte
06-08-2013, 12:09
I would prefer to see more bombers of the medium two engine types. I like their versatility on the table top. My preferences would be the AEG G.IV. The Caudron R.11 would be a nice counterpart.
For the heavy types, I can't see how you can have a poll without giving a choice to the Sikorsky Ilya Muromets.
I agree with your sentiments Kev, not least because I have already made most of the aircraft on the list I posted.
However, the reason that I posted these particular machines is because cards for them already exist, and if Ares stick to the usual form book, they will only produce aircraft which already have cards on the market. I hope that I am proved wrong on this point, but don't hold your breath.
Rob.
greenalfonzo
06-08-2013, 13:19
I agree with your sentiments Kev, not least because I have already made most of the aircraft on the list I posted.
However, the reason that I posted these particular machines is because cards for them already exist, and if Ares stick to the usual form book, they will only produce aircraft which already have cards on the market. I hope that I am proved wrong on this point, but don't hold your breath.
Rob.
Ah, I see your logic there. That makes sense based on Ares/Nexus' past actions. But maybe it also sends the wrong signal to Ares that we agree with their policy on only making models where cards exist, especially when it seems like a pretty misguided one considering the fact that they are currently transitioning to a models-only game system.
I think the last big reprint Camel disaster came about because of this short-sighted system. Their lack of already existing allied Camel cards led them to choose the German version, which then created a backlash from fans who wanted another new allied paint scheme. Of course, since they apparently didn't have an example of another allied scheme carded up, they just went and repeated a second of the three re-releases, to the customers' further loss.
I hope you might consider loosening things up in the future. I think Andrea and Ares would benefit by seeing what their biggest fans and customers most want them to do going forward, regardless of what they already have lined up.
Flying Officer Kyte
06-09-2013, 00:14
I concur with your points Kev. When I started this poll there were already several threads going on about the aircraft that people would like to see produced, and as usual there were so many individual requirements made that no one least of all Ares could have got a clear idea of what was really the favourite.
I felt that by limiting this poll to the cards available, I would at least contain choices within the perameters that Ares could readily assess.
The facts that we should be thinking outside the box has not escaped me, especially since Ares do seem to be listening to some of our requests. They not only withdrew the German Camel, as you mentioned, but issued the Ace cards, extra pegs, and starter sets, plus a better set of playing mats, which a lot of us had been crying out for ever since Nexus started making the models.
Maybe we will see more cooperation along these lines if we can limit our horizons to a realistically viable product list.
Rob.
milcoll73
10-06-2014, 02:09
since its already been announced about the staaken and handley page i voted for the felixstowe and friedrichshafen as the NEXT release.
Zoe Brain
11-03-2014, 17:22
since its already been announced about the staaken and handley page i voted for the felixstowe and friedrichshafen as the NEXT release.
I don't think many people realise just how big the staaken is. The HP's big enough, but the Giants are in a class of their own.
Teaticket
11-03-2014, 18:34
Just got a pair of Staakens and Hps so I'd go for the Felixstowe and Friedrichshafen.
Angiolillo
11-03-2014, 20:40
Ah, I see your logic there. That makes sense based on Ares/Nexus' past actions. But maybe it also sends the wrong signal to Ares that we agree with their policy on only making models where cards exist, especially when it seems like a pretty misguided one considering the fact that they are currently transitioning to a models-only game system.
I think the last big reprint Camel disaster came about because of this short-sighted system. Their lack of already existing allied Camel cards led them to choose the German version, which then created a backlash from fans who wanted another new allied paint scheme. Of course, since they apparently didn't have an example of another allied scheme carded up, they just went and repeated a second of the three re-releases, to the customers' further loss.
There was not a strict "reuse cards" policy. Just a preference for akready released subjects, but several new minbiatures had also been published.
The German Camel was introduced thinking that, after 4 Allied ones and with a 5th coming, it would have whidened games options to players choosing the German side. The outcry against it, anyway, came when it was really too late to make a new scheme so recycling one that had already been made as a model (not just as a card) was the only viable way to avoid the German scheme without delaying production for too much time.
The German Camel was introduced thinking that, after 4 Allied ones and with a 5th coming, it would have whidened games options to players choosing the German side.
A German Camel surely would have widened my gaming options. :(
Roger Wilco
11-12-2014, 01:24
HP and Zep for me.
HP and Zep for me.
Dito ;)
Would rather see an AEG G.IV than a Staaken or Friedrichshafen, the Zeps just enormous and the Friedrichshafen looks too similar to a Gotha.
Diamondback
11-14-2014, 09:35
We're now talking a theoretical THIRD round in this Zombie Poll, right? The Staaken and O/400 are locked in and set for Round 2 at Ares, barring Kissenberth Camel-level outrage...
I'm starting to think that we need a site policy of locking and restarting poll-threads after a year...
Marechallannes
11-14-2014, 12:19
Some threads are being worth to be digged out each year. ;)
Diamondback
11-14-2014, 12:34
Sven, that's why I proposed an annual restart, removing any options from the menu that have been officially confirmed.
We're now talking a theoretical THIRD round in this Zombie Poll, right? The Staaken and O/400 are locked in and set for Round 2 at Ares, barring Kissenberth Camel-level outrage...
I'm starting to think that we need a site policy of locking and restarting poll-threads after a year...
It's more irritating when the polls show up as having unread posts, when they don't. This one came up 5 days in a row with that. :hmm:
Karl
Flying Helmut
11-14-2014, 13:17
That's when somebody votes, but doesn't post - the change in vote count triggers the thread update.
But you're quite correct - it is irritating!
Would rather see an AEG G.IV than a Staaken or Friedrichshafen, the Zeps just enormous and the Friedrichshafen looks too similar to a Gotha.
Oh yes I concur, the AEG G.IV would be fantastic! I'm waiting for Wingnuts to finally release this bird!
150786
That's when somebody votes, but doesn't post - the change in vote count triggers the thread update.
But you're quite correct - it is irritating!
Dang; I never thought of that :smack:
Karl
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