Over the trenches Mission 8 crews

[tikkifriend]

Just to help me could you put your prospective crews and planes for Mission 8 bomb the base in this thread

Thanks
Pau



FO Kyte
lI will be detailing the following pilots for mission 8.
Rod Hawkwood in his SE 5.
John Perry in his SE 5.
Nigel Bouncer-Smyth and Bruce Woodhead in a Biff,
and Frank Winter with stand in rear gunner and bomb aimer John Farmer to replace wounded Joe Dodgson, also in a Biff.
E. Able. CO.(Acting) 52 Sq. (The Bulldogs.)

WatchdogMy crews:

Bomber 1: Gotha G.V
Unknown AI crew

Bomber 2: Gotha G.V
Unknown AI crew

Escort 1: Albatros D.III
Leutnant Isztvan Laszlo (player controlled)

Escort 2: Albatros D.III
Oberleutnant Hugo, Freiherr von Skrbensky (player controlled)

EDIT: I am going to take two Gotha G.V's with AI crews. I am taking 2 S.E.5a's as AI opponents, which should balance the game a bit.

The opponent:

Scout 1: S.E.5a
pilot to be announced

Scout 2: S.E.5a
pilot to be announced

Flash
Stan Deasey - SE5a
Phil MacGlassop & LLewelyn Dowd - Brisfit
Lew Bricant - Camel *
Perry Shute & Eamonn Lowe - Brisfit
(Perry replaces wounded Mal Twiskie in the 2 seater)

*if he's fit after Mission 7 as I see Bob's now picked him for that.

NightbomberBombers:
1. Rumpler: pilot Garsztka, observer: Skowronski, Martin,
2. Rumpler: pilot Johann von Weissberg, observer: Zencominierski, Lothar,


Marechallannes
FO Pit (Fries) Manneken (Ace, Ability: Marksman I) Active 6 Kills
Sopwith Camel

FO Horatio Bushmill
Sopwith Camel

FO Richard Harper (Ace, Ability: Always return home ) / 7b). Lt. Patrick Sharpe (Ace, Ability: Marksman I)
AIRCO D.H.4 (B/A)

FO James McGillian / 8b). Lt. Neal Asher
RAF R.E.8(B/B)



Enemy plane/pilots:

to be announced / Pfalz D.III

to be announced / Albatros D.Va

to be announced / Pfalz D.III

Tikkifriend
I only have 1 pilot /ob crew and thats Stanhope/Crawford in a DH4 Player controlled
The 2nd crew will have to be Trotter/Tavey in a Breguet. AI
Jonty Grisham(PC ) will fly a Camel
Peter Hibbet (DGC1) will fly a Camel AI

Opposition
1Dr1
1 Alb V
1 Pfalz

[Watchdog]

Depending on the outcome of mission 7:

My crews:

Bomber 1: Gotha G.V
Unknown AI crew

Bomber 2: Gotha G.V
Unknown AI crew

Escort 1: Albatros D.III
Leutnant Isztvan Laszlo (player controlled)

Escort 2: Albatros D.III
Oberleutnant Hugo, Freiherr von Skrbensky (player controlled)

EDIT: I am going to take two Gotha G.V's with AI crews. I am taking 2 S.E.5a's as AI opponents, which should balance the game a bit.

The opponent:

Scout 1: S.E.5a
pilot to be announced

Scout 2: S.E.5a
pilot to be announced

[flash]

Stan Deasey - SE5a
Phil MacGlassop & LLewelyn Dowd - Brisfit
Lew Bricant - Camel *
Perry Shute & Eamonn Lowe - Brisfit
(Perry replaces wounded Mal Twiskie in the 2 seater)

*if he's fit after Mission 7 as I see Bob's now picked him for that.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

I will be detailing the following pilots for mission 8.
Rod Hawkwood in his SE 5.
John Perry in his SE 5.
Nigel Bouncer-Smyth and Bruce Woodhead in a Biff,
and Frank Winter with stand in rear gunner and bomb aimer John Farmer to replace wounded Joe Dodgson, also in a Biff.
E. Able. CO.(Acting) 52 Sq. (The Bulldogs.)

[flash]

We should be able to give them a good 'Biffing' Rob !

[Flying Officer Kyte]

We should be able to give them a good 'Biffing' Rob !

Spiffing Biffing in fact old boy. What!
Kyte.

[Nightbomber]

Mission 8th, Nightbomber's crews:

Bombers:
1. Rumpler: pilot Garsztka, observer: Skowronski, Martin,
2. Rumpler: pilot Johann von Weissberg, observer: Zencominierski, Lothar,


Escorts:
1. Albatros D.V: von Oppeln (player controlled),
2. Pfalz D.III: von Lisbon (player controlled).

What about using my NPC pilots as observers?

Opponents:
1. SE 5a: pilot - William Baker,
2. SE 5a: pilot - Howard Hank Dillard,
3. SE 5a: pilot - David Di Evans.

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Mission 8th, Nightbomber's crews:

What about using my NPC pilots as observers?



I have got to use one of mine as one of my observers was incapacitated in the last action.
Rob.

[Marechallannes]

What about using my NPC pilots as observers?

Am I right, Andrzej, you don't have any two seater crews? :confused:

Lt. Garsztka is a good two seater pilot, why don't you assign a complete new gunner/observer to him? So you don't have to banisch your Jasta Leader into a gunner position.

[Nightbomber]

Am I right, Andrzej, you don't have any two seater crews? :confused:

Lt. Garsztka is a good two seater pilot, why don't you assign a complete new gunner/observer to him? So you don't have to banisch your Jasta Leader into a gunner position.

I'd like to add - you are right, Sven. But I'm affraid I'd exceed the initial number of pilots/observers we started the campaign with. Would it be right, you think?

[Marechallannes]

For shure, Andrzej.:serious:

The Bulldogs have 9 two-seaters crews. Each with personalized pilots and personalized gunners/observers.

If we have a greater need for twoseaters, Hauptmann Willy Gabriel would report to the Hauptquartier to request more personal to man the Eagles Rolands and Rumplers.:salute:



From the Recruitment Center:


I think it should rather look like this (for example):

PC 1 - pilot - assigned scout
PC2a - pilot / PC2b observer - assigned two-seater

NPC1 - pilot
NPC2 - pilot
NPC3a - pilot / NPC 3b - observer
NPC4 - pilot
NPC5 - pilot
NPC6 - pilot

[Flying Officer Kyte]

:salute:Sorry for butting in, but it seems very sensible to me to do what Sven and Andrzej suggests.
It never sits well with me to actually have a mixed Squadron of Scouts and two seaters anyway. Apart from the odd two seater runabout, did any Squadrons actually have this mixture in 1917? I think it would be more accurate to draft in two seaters from another Squadron if we had a mission which required them. It would also give us another aspect to our story line. ie. the friendly rivalry and banter established between two Squadrons working from different sides of the same airfield.
Think of the Guest nights we could hold in the Mess.:FOK:
Kyte.

[Nightbomber]

Hauptmann Willy Gabriel would report to the Hauptquartier to request more personal to man the Eagles Rolands and Rumplers.

From the Recruitment Center:


Request has been sent :serious:
I've heard some new pilots and observers are being trained in Vallenciens region...

[Marechallannes]

:salute:Sorry for butting in, but it seems very sensible to me to do what Sven and Andrzej suggests.
It never sits well with me to actually have a mixed Squadron of Scouts and two seaters anyway. Apart from the odd two seater runabout, did any Squadrons actually have this mixture in 1917? I think it would be more accurate to draft in two seaters from another Squadron if we had a mission which required them.

You're right Rob - this isn't an invitation to add as many gunners/observer as wished.

But Andrzej has no two-seater crew at all, because he already registered before we started to discuss the two seater option.

If one of his pilots prefers to do fly recon/patrol/bombing/courier missions with a two seater he needs a gunner/observer. That coulnd't be a nobody. Should be someone from the Eagles ground personal or the Ausbildungsstaffel.



Don't know how the Jastas/Squadrons were organized in 1917, but I know that you handle the Britols Fighters as scouts (High Speed & Immelmann) and not as common two seaters. I see them as very dangerous super twoseaters with excellent maneuvers, deadly armament and a good stamnia.


I agree, that the Eagles or Bulldog's will not man Capronis, Gothas, or Handley Page bombers.

[Watchdog]

:salute:Sorry for butting in, but it seems very sensible to me to do what Sven and Andrzej suggests.
It never sits well with me to actually have a mixed Squadron of Scouts and two seaters anyway. Apart from the odd two seater runabout, did any Squadrons actually have this mixture in 1917? I think it would be more accurate to draft in two seaters from another Squadron if we had a mission which required them. It would also give us another aspect to our story line. ie. the friendly rivalry and banter established between two Squadrons working from different sides of the same airfield.
Think of the Guest nights we could hold in the Mess.:FOK:
Kyte.

Well, for instance the K. und K. Luftfahrtruppen had some "mixed" units in 1917:

Flik D (Divisions Fliegerkompanie) - 4-6 reconnaissance aircraft, several pursuit aircraft
Flik F (Fernaufklärungs Fliegerkompanie) - 6 two-seater reconnaissance aircraft, 2 pursuit aircraft

[Nightbomber]

:salute:Sorry for butting in, but it seems very sensible to me to do what Sven and Andrzej suggests.
It never sits well with me to actually have a mixed Squadron of Scouts and two seaters anyway. Apart from the odd two seater runabout, did any Squadrons actually have this mixture in 1917? I think it would be more accurate to draft in two seaters from another Squadron if we had a mission which required them. It would also give us another aspect to our story line. ie. the friendly rivalry and banter established between two Squadrons working from different sides of the same airfield.
Think of the Guest nights we could hold in the Mess.:FOK:
Kyte.


That would be no doubt a claryfing and smart solution, without messing up with observers victories. I like it a lot. All of the pilots would stay as fighter pilots and we would have a straightforward competition. That's why I didn't assign any 2 seater crews at the start for they did not suite to the squadron as a fighter unit, but - of course - may do it now. Hmmm... I'm affraid we will have to stay with the 2 seaters...

[Watchdog]

Since I am taking my new Gothas for the mission, both of my NPC two-seater crews are available.

[Marechallannes]

That would be no doubt a claryfing and smart solution, without messing up with observers victories. I like it a lot. All of the pilots would stay as fighter pilots and we would have a straightforward competition...

That's something we had to exclude at the start of the campaign, but this would affect the Bristol Fighters, too.

I won't abstain from Harper/Sharpe & Asher/McGillian anymore. They all solved important missions.

[Nightbomber]

That's something we had to exclude at the start of the campaign, but this would affect the Bristol Fighters, too.

I won't abstain from Harper/Sharpe & Asher/McGillian anymore. They all solved important missions.

My new observers will join the Jasta as well. Yes, we shouldn't change the rules during the game.

[Marechallannes]

Nice, Andrzej.:thumbsup:




...and that's something we should remember for the next campaign:

To found recon and bomber squadrons parallel to our scout/fighter squadrons. ;)

[Nightbomber]

NEXT CAMPAIGN! YES! YES! YES! Hope all of us will have bombers then! WoW!:D

[Marechallannes]

My pilots for mission number 8:

FO Pit (Fries) Manneken (Ace, Ability: Marksman I) Active 6 Kills
Sopwith Camel

FO Horatio Bushmill
Sopwith Camel

FO Richard Harper (Ace, Ability: Always return home ) / 7b). Lt. Patrick Sharpe (Ace, Ability: Marksman I)
AIRCO D.H.4 (B/A)

FO James McGillian / 8b). Lt. Neal Asher
RAF R.E.8(B/B)



Enemy plane/pilots:

to be announced / Pfalz D.III

to be announced / Albatros D.Va

to be announced / Pfalz D.III

[Nightbomber]

New observers has just arrived to Kaisers Eagles Jasta, according to Hauptquartier's order.

Skowronski, Martin,
Zencominierski, Lothar

[I have searched http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories/germany-ww1.html to find some polish-origin-like family names of WWI German pilots and found those two, along with Gabriel, Jach, Garsztka and Wroniecki].

[Watchdog]

Andrzej, you may also search some Austro-Hungarian lists, there were Poles flying for the Emperor and the King too.

Check this: http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories/poland-ww1-kuk.html and this: http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories/poland-ww1-igas.html

The whole website is an excellent resource: http://aces.safarikovi.org/

[flash]

:salute:Sorry for butting in, but it seems very sensible to me to do what Sven and Andrzej suggests.
It never sits well with me to actually have a mixed Squadron of Scouts and two seaters anyway. Apart from the odd two seater runabout, did any Squadrons actually have this mixture in 1917? I think it would be more accurate to draft in two seaters from another Squadron if we had a mission which required them. It would also give us another aspect to our story line. ie. the friendly rivalry and banter established between two Squadrons working from different sides of the same airfield.
Think of the Guest nights we could hold in the Mess.:FOK:
Kyte.

If we (the Bulldogs) were to share a field with a Two seater Sqn perhaps we should name them 'The Bull Terriers' or some such name ?
Rather than starting another Sqn we could just accept our 2 seat crews are part of it already & carry on playing as we are doing...?
As for crews currently listed - all my men are Flying Officers (not a rank at this time) and I consider them all to be pilots albeit some have the 'role' of Observer. (I suppose they should be Pilot Officers really !)

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Well chaps, I really did not mean to put the cat amongst the chickens like this.
I never intended to suggest that anything but the Squadrons were in my mind when I made the tentative suggestion. I never expected to upset any of the Jastas nor the K. und K. Luftfahrtruppen.
Nor did I expect that we would suddenly move the goal posts during a campaign.
It was merely a passing thought of mine which I now regret voicing in public.
I hope I have not ruffled too many feathers.
I am sorry that after I went away and flew the mission, I came back to all this.
I'm sure things will settle down again when Major Kyte gets back from G.H.Q. with his instructions for the next mission.
Rob.

[Nightbomber]

No reason for being sorry, Rob! It was a an important idea worth applying to a campaign like ours. Of course there is no special need to exclude any pilot/observers from our squadrons. Let's go ahead with the mixed crews:thumbsup:

[Watchdog]

Rob, it is simple, our Squadrons apparently belong to the mixed unit type. They are both kind of special, elite units, aren't they? :)

[Marechallannes]

:eek:

Oh my god, Rob...

Sorry, if I verbally rumble through some threads like a Hun on search for Blutwurst. Can't express it in a better way or with a higher degree of fineness.

No need for a withdraw.;)

But we all realized, that ther is a need for twoseaters and crews.

Mission 1: St. Caronne (Entente)
Mission 2: Spot the Spotter (Central Powers)
Mission 4: Vs. older enemy planes (both sides)
Mission 7: Get the Observer (both sides)
Mission 8: Bombing (both sides)

[Flying Officer Kyte]

:DNo probs Sven.
Without letting the cat out of the bag, you are certainly going to need them for mission 9.:slysmile:
Rob.

[Nightbomber]

I'm trying to guess what mission 9 is going to be...(Oh, please, Rob, some hint...:pray:)

[Flying Officer Kyte]

I'm trying to guess what mission 9 is going to be...(Oh, please, Rob, some hint...:pray:)

I am afraid that you will have to go down to the Bierkeller and ask Big Bertha about that.


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Rob.

[Watchdog]

Hint taken, Rob.:cheezy:

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Hint taken, Rob.:cheezy:

Yes Jan, you got it.
We are bombing the kaisers' Beer tower.
Rob.

[Watchdog]

Yes Jan, you got it.
We are bombing the kaisers' Beer tower.
Rob.

Awww, and I thought it was going to be a beer drinking contest.:pint:

[toddwf]

We are bombing the kaisers' Beer tower.
I may have to go against orders on that one. I cannot bring myself to ruin good beer. Now, if we were stealing beer from the Kaiser, I'm all for that!:pint:

[Nightbomber]

That was an easy hint, Rob! I think I know the next target;)

[Nightbomber]

Big Bertha is here!
47257

We are going to hit a gun like this!

And here is a card we can print and use for play:)

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:lol: Bertha :lol: Great idea, Rob!

[Nightbomber]

...or a French one - for the Eagles:

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[Flying Officer Kyte]

:salute:That has saved me a lot of hard work telling you where to look in the files for that then.:thankyou:
Even Kyte won't know that until General Melchett tells him about the "Big posh". Oh! Sorry Darling, darling, I meant Push.
However, there is a cunning plan Mr.B.
Rob.

[Nightbomber]

Always a pleasure to be of help:hatsoff::)

[Marechallannes]

Just a little advice, guys:

Please wait with Mission 8 AARs till the last player has finished mission 7.

Does not matter for Rob's mission, cause he fight versus unknown opponent pilots and his used pilots are not touched by mision 7.

You have to take care with AI pilots or opponent pilots, you want to use in mission 8: Make shure the survived or stay unharmed mission 7!



One Entente and three Central Power Players need to fullfill mission 7 at the moment.

[tikkifriend]

Just to say that the opposition pilots for this game are not from the opposing Jasta/ Squadron they are npc characters from another Jasta /Sqd and remember they all have dedicated ground crew 1

paul

[Marechallannes]

Ok, so we have to wait for our wingmen only.:salute:

[Flying Officer Kyte]

:thumbsup:Good call chaps.
Rob.

[Nightbomber]

Yeah, I'm eager to start bombing that airfield:serious:;)

[Nightbomber]

Algynon has just posted his AAR:clap:

[tikkifriend]

Just waiting on Todd and Algynon for their pilots to be allocated for Mission 8