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    Default Unofficial Aircraft Stats Version 4

    Here's the latest version of the unofficial aircraft stats, which now include the AGO C.I/C.II, Martinsyde Elephant, Bleriot XI Parasol, Dorand AR2, Hansa-Brandenburg KDW and Caudron R11.

    Few gaps on availability - feel free to pile in if you have any more info.

    Excel Spreadsheet version

    PDF version of unofficial stats

    PDF version of available aircraft

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    Once again, thank you for your excellent work. It helps out alot!!!
    I am confused about the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter hopefully you can get me flying level. I thought the fighter/recon version was the two seater and the bomber version was the single seater. I am not refering to the Comic.
    On pages 50 and 51 of The Essential Aircraft Identifation Guide Aircraft of WW1 by Amber books I believe have the aircraft with the wrong specifiations. They are switched. The two seater has the specs for the single seater and the single seater has the specs for the two seater.
    The bomber version deleted the observer and gunner due to weight and was a one seater. The fighter/recon version (I do realize that they could carry a small bomb load) had both the pilot and observer/gunner. My references are "French Aircraft of the First World War" by the Flying Press. "Sopwith Fighters in action" by squadron/signal pubs. Last and least Wikipedia (I really dislike using Wiki as a reference).
    Did the RFC send to France a single seat Sopwith 1 1/2 fighter and if they did could you please include the squadron they were sent too?

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    I couldn't find any evidence that they were issued to any squadrons in France

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntruck View Post
    I couldn't find any evidence that they were issued to any squadrons in France
    Thank you for looking.

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    I've had a look at the Windsock Datafile 80 Sopowith 1 1/2 Strutter, and on page 6 it states "Sopwith production continued with batch N5080-N5119, of which 22 were delivered as 9700-Type single-seat bomber; all of these went to No.3 Wing at Luxeuil and Ochey." No.3 Wing was RNAS.

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    Thumbs up

    Many thanks to Steve & everyone involved.

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    Fantastic, thanks for the work team

    Quick question, I have a Shapeways Halberstadt DII, but can only see stats for the DIII. The DII is on the availability list, but no stats. Quite possibly I have only had a boy look, so let em know if I missed it

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat of Vengence View Post
    I have a Shapeways Halberstadt DII, but can only see stats for the DIII.
    There is no significant difference in performance. The D-II had a 120hp Mercedes D.II engine, the D.III a 120hp Argus As.II.

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    Well done peeps - I have now saved it, added a 'combined stats' page and a 'decks' page with auto filters. Brilliant !

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    Thank you to all

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    Nice work guys!
    I do have a question about using the `B` deck for the Caudron R.11 though.
    Could the R.II really Immelmann or should that card be deleted?
    I thought myself that the `H` deck was a better match though using the `B` minus the Immelmann card does give you an extra sideslip each way.
    The impression I get with this plane is that it wasn`t all that maneuverable and that its success as an escort was probably more down to its speed and the large amount of firepower it carried.
    Last edited by Rabbit 3; 04-21-2012 at 04:35.

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    Thank you team for the new stats sheets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit 3 View Post
    I do have a question about using the `B` deck for the Caudron R.11 though.
    Could the R.II really Immelmann or should that card be deleted?
    I thought myself that the `H` deck was a better match though using the `B` minus the Immelmann card does give you an extra sideslip each way.
    The impression I get with this plane is that it wasn`t all that maneuverable and that its success as an escort was probably more down to its speed and the large amount of firepower it carried.
    I thought so too - till I saw accounts of them doing loops in combat.

    Same with the DH9
    Wing Commander R. W. Jackson wrote,
    "I found that after shedding the bomb load, the 9, with a good gunner, was capable of quite a lot of fighting. It was possible to tight-turn a Fokker D.VII into a full power stall, also the 9 could be looped quite well - and tightly."
    They were more effective when operating close to the bombers though, rather than free-ranging in front of them like single-seaters.
    Initially, the R.11s flew ahead of the bomber formations to take on the German fighters. Later tactics saw the R.11s flying close escort among the bombers, contributing to the firepower of the formation with their armament, while single-seat fighters provided top cover. The crews of the R.11s had a strong bond with the bomber crews they protected, because every R.11 escadrille was assigned to provide cover for a specific bombardement escadre. (Such an escadre typically contained two or three groupes de bombardement, each containing three escadrilles.) But when the top cover of SPAD or other fighters was not present, the combined formation of bombers and R.11 escorts still proved vulnerable to enemy fighter attacks.
    Basically, any aircraft, even multi-seater, that was used as an Escort Fighter after 1917 used loops and such. The Brisfit of 1916 was ahead of its time, but it was the tactics they used, not just the power-to-weight ratio and wing loading, that made them so effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    Many thanks to Steve & everyone involved.
    I second that motion

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    Any chance of getting PDF versions of the excell only versions in the files
    Karl

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    Thanks for the info. Have to print them all out.

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    As always, thanks! Through your hard work you folks make a fun game just that much more fun!

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    I'll second that, thanks.

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    awesome info thanks alot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Any chance of getting PDF versions of the excell only versions in the files
    Karl
    The only thing missing is a list of official aircraft and cards: Here you go

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    Further R11 question

    "What is a Giant?
    Proposal - any large aircraft with 3 crew or more or wingspan over 19m.
    So a Farman F40 (17.6m wingspan, 2-seat) doesn't qualify. An AEG G.IV (18.4m wingspan, 3-seat) does. As does a Caudron R.11 (17.9m wingspan, 3-seat).

    A Short Bomber (25.6m wingspan, 2-seater) does. A Short 184 (19.4m wingspan, 2 seater) does too - just.

    Reasoning: Anything with 3 crew+ needs the FoG rules for crew: anything larger than an F-40 needs a large stand. The F-40 is borderline."

    I feel a correction would be in order here. By virtue of being a 3 seater.
    As such the Caudron R11 should be on the small bomber base and use the B deck.
    The length of both the standard bases and the small bomber bases is the same so using the B deck does not
    give this aircraft an advantage over other B users in relation to speed.
    Others thoughts please.
    Linz



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