UNOFFICIAL AIRPLANE : SCHRECH FBA type H

**Bluedevil** · 10-23-2011 06:10

The Belgian army had to defend its coastal waters ( what was left of it anyway) against submarines... To that end they used the SCHRECK FBA type H.

There is still an original aircraft left at the Brussels museum and in february 2002 I took some pictures of it. I had to scan the pictures as they were taken with an analog camera ( I should visit again to go digital some day

)

General characteristics
Crew: Three, pilot and two observers/gunners
Length: 9.92 m (32 ft 7 in)
Wingspan: 14.72 m (48 ft 4 in)
Height: 3.10 m (10 ft 2 in)
Wing area: 40.0 m2 (430 ft2)
Empty weight: 984 kg (2,170 lb)
Gross weight: 1,420 kg (3,130 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 8Aa, 112 kW (150 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 150 km/h (90 mph)
Range: 450 km (280 miles)
Armament
1 × .303 Lewis gun fixed to fuselage, or mounted on post in observer's cockpit
200 kg (440 lb) of bombs

the rest of the pictures can be seen in my album :

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/album.php?albumid=898

It would be nice to have a card and some stats of this little flying boat ...

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 10-23-2011 12:37

Never mind a card and stats Alex. With a few more dimensions we could build it.
Rob.

**petitbilbo** · 10-23-2011 14:10

Originally Posted by Bluedevil

The Belgian army had to defend its coastal waters ( what was left of it anyway) against submarines... To that end they used the SCHRECK FBA type H.

There is still an original aircraft left at the Brussels museum and in february 2002 I took some pictures of it. I had to scan the pictures as they were taken with an analog camera ( I should visit again to go digital some day

)

General characteristics
Crew: Three, pilot and two observers/gunners
Length: 9.92 m (32 ft 7 in)
Wingspan: 14.72 m (48 ft 4 in)
Height: 3.10 m (10 ft 2 in)
Wing area: 40.0 m2 (430 ft2)
Empty weight: 984 kg (2,170 lb)
Gross weight: 1,420 kg (3,130 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 8Aa, 112 kW (150 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 150 km/h (90 mph)
Range: 450 km (280 miles)
Armament
1 × .303 Lewis gun fixed to fuselage, or mounted on post in observer's cockpit
200 kg (440 lb) of bombs

the rest of the pictures can be seen in my album :

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/album.php?albumid=898

It would be nice to have a card and somestats of this little flying boat ...

I've been there this week and I can tell you that it's still being exhibited.

**Linz** · 10-24-2011 00:55

Here's a page that shows the Omega kit
http://www.omega-models.com/index.ph...mart&Itemid=26
I have not be able to find plans but the this could be resized and used for basic plans
If anyone can find some plans I would like to have a go at this
Linz

**Bluedevil** · 10-24-2011 01:49

Judging by the decals that are shown they took the aircraft in Brussels as an example ( number 5 on the rudder cfr my album )I think that building the hull and wings must be feasable but that engine looks really complicated...
I've ordered the windsock datasheet and supposedly there are some drawings in there ...
I'll keep you posted

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 10-24-2011 02:01

Great. This looks as if it could be a goer Alex.
Rob.

**Hunter** · 10-24-2011 03:11

At some point, I'm sure, clipper1801 will build a few. He likes building 'odd', or better, 'cool' looking planes.

**Linz** · 10-24-2011 03:38

" but that engine looks really complicated..."
Probably need better photos of the engine to ensure we get the carburetion system, electricial wiring, exhaust pipes and water hoses right.
Or we could pretend that all current photos were taken when the aircraft was being worked on and they had splash guards covering the engine when it was in flight.
Anything for an easy life.
Linz

**Linz** · 10-24-2011 04:12

Some pictures of the HS 8Aa should be a breeze to build.
http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=His...w=1024&bih=690
http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=His...w=1024&bih=690
Linz

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 10-24-2011 08:49

That's a nice addition to the collection of info on this machine so far Linz. Now all we need are some engine dimensions.
Rob.

**clipper1801** · 10-24-2011 09:18

Haven't seen that one before, but in NZ I did see some thing quite similar. Many countries had a variation on this theme, here's the one(s) I'm working on, the Lohner L.

-clipper

**clipper1801** · 10-24-2011 09:26

Found my NZ pics! Sadly not the bird in question, but also interesting . . .

still looking . . . clipper

**Linz** · 10-24-2011 12:01

Here are the dimensions for the engine
Comparative table
Model 8A 8Aa 8Ab 8B 8F
Bore (mm) 120 140
Stroke (mm) 130 150
Displacement (l) 11.76 11.76 18.47
Compression ratio 4.7 5.3
Length (m) 1.19 1.25 1.31 1.36 1.32
Width (m) 0.81 0.83 0.85 0.86 0.89
Height (m) 0.77 0.81 0.87 0.90 0.88
Weight(kg) 195 215 230 236 256
Power output (hp) 140 150 180 200/235 300
at (rpm) 1900 2000 2100 2300 2100

From these we should be able to work out the rest.
Linz

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 10-24-2011 12:57

Great work chaps keep it coming. Strange to say the Lohner was going to be my next plane.
Rob.

**Bluedevil** · 10-25-2011 00:37

Strange how one aircraft can lead to an other

...I really should go back to the museum and take some pictures of that engine... All I have to do is find the time ...

meanwhile i found this on the internet...thisguy took some clear pictures of the engine:

http://www.wwi-models.org/app/album/...+FBA&picInx=55

**Guntruck** · 10-25-2011 07:06

Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte

Greatr work chasps keep it coming. Strange to say the Lohner was going to be my next plane.
Rob.

I'm actually doing a card for one at the moment, I can arrange one for whatever scheme you want.

Who was that masked man? That was the Lohner Ranger!

I'll get my coat.....

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 10-25-2011 07:40

Great Gunners. I'll taylor my scheme to whatever you choose.
Rob.

**flash** · 10-25-2011 08:48

I wonder if Colin can make one?!

**Bluedevil** · 10-27-2011 08:11

Time to hijack my thread back

...

Today I found the Windsock datafile of the Schreck FBA type H in the mailbox and guess what ... There are nice drawings in it both in 1/72 and 1/48 scale

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 10-27-2011 08:20

That bsounds like the bit of the jigsaw we were waiting for Alex. Bring it on.
Rob.

**clipper1801** · 10-27-2011 12:36

Hmm could you scan the drawings for my "little book of builds?" I have a free weekend coming at me . . . Clipper

**petitbilbo** · 10-27-2011 13:50

I'd not say no for a copy myself...

**Bluedevil** · 10-27-2011 14:19

Just finished reading... I'll try the scans tomorrow ...if work permits it

**Bluedevil** · 10-27-2011 23:29

I've scanned the drawings but they came out to big to post here... ( besides , there's a huge anti-copy warning on them

) ... But if you want a scan just pm me your email-adress and I'll mail them to you...

**Guntruck** · 10-28-2011 12:54

Here's another variation on a theme - The Grigorowicz M15. This one is in the Polish Aviation Museum, Krakow.

**Max Headroom** · 10-28-2011 20:26

Here's a stab in the dark with the stats:

**Guntruck** · 10-29-2011 05:39

Stats look reasonable. Do you think these will do for a Lohner L?

**clipper1801** · 10-29-2011 08:32

Awesome! Now to get these pesky Staakens off the building bench! Thanks for the great work on these cards!
-clipper

**Harrier** · 10-29-2011 15:36

Wonderful pic and cards. I have a real soft spot for flying boats. I'd really like to fly in one of those things, though I'm sure take-offs and landings would be ridiculously rough.

**Bluedevil** · 10-29-2011 15:45

Max, those cards are awesome!

**Guntruck** · 10-30-2011 06:12

But an FBA Type H (subject to everyone agreeing the stats for it).

I've done 3 nationalities, each with and without bombs in my card album.

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 10-30-2011 07:41

Originally Posted by Guntruck

But an FBA Type H (subject to everyone agreeing the stats for it).

I've done 3 nationalities, each with and without bombs in my card album.

Looks good to me Gunners, but what the other chaps think is the important factor. That album of yours is certainly starting to look impressive.
Rob.

**Bluedevil** · 03-24-2016 07:04

Back after a long absence...

I never came to scratch building a Schreck FBA but did find one on Shapeways

As a (re)starting project I am planning to use it in one of our clubs coming games. So aside from painting it and putting some nice Belgian roundels on it i need to know what manoeuver cards to use.
hence this thread-bump...Any idea's ?

**flash** · 03-24-2016 08:20

I was busy cobbling together something for you when I found this in the stats doc Alex...!
FBA H: Great Britain; Period 16 Q1 - 18 Q4; G* Deck; B/- Guns; 14 Health; 11 Alt; 6 Climb.
G* deck is the G deck with Immelman removed

Came out slightly better than I was getting to !