Gotha G.I

**Guntruck** · 10-01-2011 04:45

I'm trying to work up the stats for a Gotha G.I bomber, but details on performance are a bit sparse. I've got:

Max speed 130 km/h
climb 47 mins to 2000 m
Upper span 20.3m
Lower span 19.7m
Length 12m
Loaded weight 2966 kg

Anybody got anything different for it?

**Oberst Hajj** · 10-01-2011 05:03

Steve, I'll check my new reference book when I get home this morning.

**Kaiser** · 10-01-2011 10:50

I have 130km/h
Climb to 800m in 9 minutes.
Climb to 2,7km in 35 minutes

Celing = 2750m
Range = 540km

Wingspan = 22m
Length = 12,9m
Heigth = 4m

Empty weight = 1800kg
Flight weight = 2800kg

2 x Benz BzIII engines with 150hp each.

Bomb load = 200kg
Armamend = 1-2 7,9mm MGs

**Linz** · 10-06-2011 00:30

I have been thinking about scratch building one of these but could not find any plans.
My thoughts on wow/g stats would be
Movement XA
Guns B
Damage bombers go from 22 to 30 I would go for 24 early aircraft
Ceiling 8
Climb Rate 8
Crew 3
Engines 2
What do you guys think.
Linz

**flyingryno** · 10-06-2011 00:50

General characteristics

* Crew: 3
* Length: 12.00 m (39 ft 4 in)
* Wingspan: 20.30 m (66 ft 7 in)
* Height: 3.9 m (12 ft 10 in)
* Wing area: 82.0 m² (882 ft²)
* Empty weight: 1,800 kg (3,970 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 2,966 kg (6,539 lb)
* Powerplant: 2 × Benz Bz.III inline engine, 110 kW (150 hp) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: 130 km/h (80 mph)
* Rate of climb: 0.7 m/s (140 ft/min)

Armament

* 1-2 × 7.92 mm (.312 in) Parabellum MG14 machine guns

[edit] See also

**Guntruck** · 10-06-2011 07:42

Originally Posted by Linz

I have been thinking about scratch building one of these but could not find any plans.
My thoughts on wow/g stats would be
Movement XA
Guns B
Damage bombers go from 22 to 30 I would go for 24 early aircraft
Ceiling 8
Climb Rate 8
Crew 3
Engines 2
What do you guys think.
Linz

Thanks Daniel and Michael for filling out the stats.

@Linz, thanks for working out the WoW stats. Have to admit I've had a busy week one way and another so didn't actually get round to getting busy with pencil and paper.

Can't see anything majorly wrong with these, so I'm happy to go with them. There's a

behind the bar for you.

**clipper1801** · 10-06-2011 11:32

Greetings guys! I am currently doing a build of five on the G1 based on some research I have, should have pics and progress on them by next week, after the Staakens they are so small!

**Rabbit 3** · 10-07-2011 04:11

Originally Posted by Linz

I have been thinking about scratch building one of these but could not find any plans.
My thoughts on wow/g stats would be
Movement XA
Guns B
Damage bombers go from 22 to 30 I would go for 24 early aircraft
Ceiling 8
Climb Rate 8
Crew 3
Engines 2
What do you guys think.
Linz

Stats work for me.
You could argue for either/or the climb and ceiling to be 7 rather than 8 what with the uncertainty about the stats but an 8 for both seems to work.

**Guntruck** · 10-07-2011 05:34

Found a paper one here:

http://www.ukpapermodels.com/product...b8a69ad6632cd5

**Rabbit 3** · 10-07-2011 11:20

HMMM... I believe that there may be a resin SRAM model out there but that paper one rescaled to 1/144 looks like a much cheaper option.
But then, consider who`s originally made this model, can we expect him to do a Shapeways one!

**Guntruck** · 10-07-2011 11:45

Originally Posted by Rabbit 3

HMMM... I believe that there may be a resin SRAM model out there

Hmmm, I think you may be right. We may even see one very shortly, you never know.......

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/att...6&d=1318012893

**Zakopious** · 10-07-2011 15:15

The Wargame Vault shows the Gotha G.I by der Kampfflieger in 1/72 scale for $3.95.

See:
http://www.wargamevault.com/product_...ters=40107_0_0

**clipper1801** · 10-07-2011 16:03

Yes I picked it up a while back, makes a nice model too. Shrink it 50% and you are set : )
There is also a nice top, front, and side view drawing from Europe on Google images under Gotha G1 with lots of construction detail. I'll post the link when I get back to my computer. Mean while my build begins tonight!

**Zakopious** · 10-07-2011 20:12

Originally Posted by clipper1801

Yes I picked it up a while back, makes a nice model too. Shrink it 50% and you are set : )
There is also a nice top, front, and side view drawing from Europe on Google images under Gotha G1 with lots of construction detail. I'll post the link when I get back to my computer. Mean while my build begins tonight!

Take some pictures of the build, especially the hard parts.
It always helps to know how someone else solved a problem.

**Jager** · 10-09-2011 07:18

Originally Posted by Guntruck

Hmmm, I think you may be right. We may even see one very shortly, you never know.......

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/att...6&d=1318012893

Steve:
I think that the front gun arc should be like a reversed Roland, 360 except for the tail blindspot. German Aircraft of the First World War says he had "Unparalleled field of fire. Looking at the pics, it does look it.

**clipper1801** · 10-10-2011 09:37

Here's the latest on my flock, 6 hrs into the build of 6

**Guntruck** · 10-10-2011 10:11

Originally Posted by clipper1801

Here's the latest on my flock, 6 hrs into the build of 6

Or, in other words "as many as the Germans built"

What are the fuselages made from? (and impressive effort by the way).

**clipper1801** · 10-10-2011 10:41

Doing the "fiddly" bits now. Yes, I am crazy, but no one is stopping me : )
My records agree, around 20 or so is all. The wings are mini-blind plastic, struts .030" styrene, tail .020" styrene, fuselage is two parts, upper 3/32" and lower 3/16" bass wood. Upper wing is sandwiched between the two. Now for engines, landing gear and wheels! Should have a roll out with decals by Wednesday! Then I have a cool three way tie for the next build, Ilya Muromez V, Lohner L, and the Hansa Brandenberg 29. So many planes, so little sleep! But what else would I do?

Thanks for the cool card by the way!

Keep'n the insanity going! Dave

**Guntruck** · 10-11-2011 08:27

Originally Posted by clipper1801

Doing the "fiddly" bits now. Yes, I am crazy, but no one is stopping me : )

Step-away-from-the-modelling-knife! I said, STEP-AWAY-FROM-THE-MODELLING-KNIFE-NOW!

Like the idea of using mini-blinds for the wings though. Presumably these are rigid enough or you wouldn't be using them.

**Guntruck** · 10-11-2011 08:30

Originally Posted by Jager

Steve:
I think that the front gun arc should be like a reversed Roland, 360 except for the tail blindspot. German Aircraft of the First World War says he had "Unparalleled field of fire. Looking at the pics, it does look it.

That's a possibility, although I am not certain what arc for the gunner in the middle would look like. He has a gunner in front and a pilot behind to think about while he is blasting away.

**clipper1801** · 10-11-2011 23:39

Just got home from another trip to the mega lumber mart with a package of vertical blinds . . . these will be wide enough for the wings on my Iliya Maromets! The mini blinds are perfect for minis, just the right weight and arc for the airfoils, saves a lot of time instead of shaping by hand.

Yes, the x-acto knife is still in hand, now back to the Gotha landing gear, 48 tires! Crazy? No, I prefer the word "peculiar" - this week at least.

-clipper

**Jager** · 10-12-2011 17:04

Originally Posted by Guntruck

That's a possibility, although I am not certain what arc for the gunner in the middle would look like. He has a gunner in front and a pilot behind to think about while he is blasting away.

BOTH gunners are in front of the pilot????
OK, That needs some thought.
Um, how about normal 2 seater blindspots front and back for the middle gunner.
(God....this is a strange plane! I might need to build one.)

Karl

**clipper1801** · 10-13-2011 01:05

Ah, yes this is a strange and intriguing craft, I am now doing the decals on my flock, should be ready for a test hop this week : )

**Guntruck** · 10-13-2011 01:18

Originally Posted by clipper1801

Yes, the x-acto knife is still in hand, now back to the Gotha landing gear, 48 tires! -clipper

4 wheels per Gotha, 6 Gothas equals 24 tyres. Am I missing something here?

Should have my SRAM Gotha ready for action by the weekend too - just need to print some decals for the serial number and slap them on.

Somewhat embarassed by the fact you have knocked up six in such a short time (and from scratch!) and it's taken me two months to get my a**e in gear to do one

**clipper1801** · 10-13-2011 09:30

Oh thanks! 24 does not = 48 - must be the building fatigue factor. Now I have enough wheels for my next build.

**clipper1801** · 10-17-2011 10:32

Ok guys! I have my fleet ready to fly, what's the final on the gun arcs? I know I would not want to be the pilot or either of the gunners-friendly fire at its worst!

-clipper

**Jager** · 10-17-2011 12:11

Originally Posted by clipper1801

Ok guys! I have my fleet ready to fly, what's the final on the gun arcs? I know I would not want to be the pilot or either of the gunners-friendly fire at its worst!

-clipper

God, don't you sleep. You're as bad as Kyte!!

I would go with a 360 minus the 2-seater blindspot for the front gunner, and the same but add a blindspot in front for the middle gunner.
And yes, I wouldn't want to fly in this thing either.
Karl

**flyingryno** · 10-17-2011 13:01

I couldn't say enough about this massive build. I'm so impressed. Your going to have a beautiful flight of bombers.

**usmc1855** · 10-17-2011 16:37

If I recall, these where built on a very limited productio, with only 18 ever being completed.

**Guntruck** · 10-18-2011 07:46

Originally Posted by Jager

I would go with a 360 minus the 2-seater blindspot for the front gunner, and the same but add a blindspot in front for the middle gunner.
Karl

I have come to this concluision too. I am going to work up a new card for it tonight. Watch this space.

**Guntruck** · 10-18-2011 11:47

Right, let's run this one up the flag pole and see who salutes it!

**clipper1801** · 10-18-2011 12:54

Love it! Well done! I'll take 6!

**Guntruck** · 10-18-2011 14:12

Oh yes, very nice David. Excellent work there - by the way, you need to get out more

**clipper1801** · 10-18-2011 23:54

Yeah, I still have a 12 hour a day job, which I like almost as much . . .
Clipper

**Doug** · 10-19-2011 00:15

All I can say is that I am impressed well done!

**Linz** · 10-19-2011 12:30

Sorry guys had a brain fart forgot to allow for card size
Movement cards should be XD not XA
Use the Gotha GV size base.
Apologies
Linz

**Jager** · 10-20-2011 13:22

Originally Posted by Guntruck

Right, let's run this one up the flag pole and see who salutes it!

Sorru Guns; can't salute what's just an x
Karl

**Guntruck** · 10-20-2011 15:15

Originally Posted by Jager

Sorru Guns; can't salute what's just an x
Karl

Looks OK from where I'm standing, Karl. The revised vesion is in here:

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/album.php?albumid=715

**Jager** · 10-21-2011 13:30

Always looks better straight from the source

Card looks great, and the arcs look right.
Thanks
Karl

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