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    Default The RAF on the Russian Front.

    To carry over a conversation that started on another thread, I wonder how many people are aware of this story.
    http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/englis...anes/index.htm

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    Oh (whatever)!!!
    This was supposed to be in the WWII seection.

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    It is OK Robert - there were some "western" types of aircrafts during WWI on Eastern Front Especialy White Guard Army used for some time. But that were not Hurricanes, true.

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    It's an interesting thread.

    Mayby the Colonel will transfer it to the World War II Historical Diskussion.

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    Very intresting something I did not know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit 3 View Post
    To carry over a conversation that started on another thread, I wonder how many people are aware of this story.
    http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/englis...anes/index.htm
    To be contrasted with "Operation FRANTIC".... :P

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    Since this in the WWI section, how about some comments about the intervention forces during the Russian Civil War, starting in 1919? Most don't know it, but many from the Western Front were transferred to the Crimea and elsewhere to fight against the Bolshevik rebels. That included air units.
    In charge of developing the South Russian Air Force was Lt. Col. Maund, who arrived on March 20th at Ekat*erinodar. He began to lay the ground work for the 100 RE 8 airplanes and 12 officers and 70 men which would arrive in May, 1919. Once the aircraft and men arrived, the development and training began in June.

    The Russians, of course, were not new to flying, and their 62ndWing supplemented the 100 RE 8’s. In April, some 15 Camels and 6 DH9 bombers arrived. These were old and arrived from Mudros and Malta with very incomplete equipment. Some training began and four 4 plane batteries were created and by June, these were operating on the front.

    By September, the 2nd Aviation division was ready. Squadron 1 of the 1stDivision was based at Ekaterinodar and Kiev.

    By August, the following British airplanes had been issued to the Russians under Denikin:

    36 RE-8

    21 DH9 bomber

    21 Camels

    9 DH9A bomber

    Total: 87 planes

    Aircraft sitting at Novorossisk, not issued:

    64 RE8

    11 DH9 (need parts)

    6 SE5

    Grand total of airplanes: 168
    http://perrya.hubpages.com/hub/Churc...h-Russia--1919




    Then there's the various air forces that flew in combat in the period. Some examples of the Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians:



















    Not forgetting Czechs, Poles etc












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    I know a couple of WoW players and other WW1 air wargamers who play Russian Civil War rather than "mainstream" WW1. There's plenty of opportunityfor interesting scnearios and intrigue. There was plenty of action in and around the Baltic states as well, withthe Royal Navy heavily involved. Its not for nothing that the Estonians named one of their new mine hunters after Admiran Cowan, RN

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    Let us not forget their opponents.... aircraft sometimes saw service with 3 or more air forces, as captured aircraft were used and re-used and re-re-used - often with just a change of national markings. There's immense scope for re-paint jobs.

    http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n1/redfighter.html
    http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n2/whitpole.html
    http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n3/whitfalc.html











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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    Since this in the WWI section, how about some comments about the intervention forces during the Russian Civil War, starting in 1919? Most don't know it, but many from the Western Front were transferred to the Crimea and elsewhere to fight against the Bolshevik rebels. That included air units. http://perrya.hubpages.com/hub/Churc...h-Russia--1919
    I was begining to think this was a good idea to expand the thread to cover this anyway since the game has already incuded a number of cards from this period.
    Looks like you guys have beaten me too it though.
    Some of those pictures would make for some unusual colour schemes for some models!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit 3 View Post
    I was begining to think this was a good idea to expand the thread to cover this anyway since the game has already incuded a number of cards from this period.
    One wonder how many times during the war the question was asked "Who's side is that guy on?" Leads to an evil notion for a game: Use the postwar paint schemes, but don't tell the players which side each one is on.... >:)

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    Great Colour Profiles Zoe!
    Where did you find them?
    Wings Pallette perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    Great Colour Profiles Zoe!
    Where did you find them?
    Wings Pallette perhaps?
    Oddly enough, no, even though that's my usual major source. There's one from there. Most are from:

    http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n1/redfighter.html
    http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n2/whitpole.html
    http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n3/whitfalc.html

    I've barely scratched the surface - the Poles for example used Friedrichshafen GIII's and GIIIa's





    Everyone used Farmans of various kinds. (see the Farman F.40 thread)


    Kolchak's Strutter with French rondels and Russian pennant


    D.VII, and Snipe from 2nd Soviet Aviatryad



    Captured RAF Strutter used by Soviet Lithuanians (as opposed to other Lithuanians)


    BTW the "Green" is indicative only. Could be Olive,RAF 10, RAF 12, what was available at the time...

    Polish Spads...


    Polish Soviet (as opposed to other Polish) RE 8 and other things

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    Very useful as usual Zoe. Thanks.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    ARGGG,, so many models, so little time! (not to mention lack of funds or just to find time to play the game occasionally).



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