Morane-Saulnier A1

**petitbilbo** · 07-20-2011 08:57

Hi there!

I did a few searches of the forum but came up empty handed.

Do we have the stats for the Maurane-Saulnier A1 somewhere?

I'm currently building two of those for a friend and I guess he'll need the stats to play them...

Any hints?

Thanks in advance,

**Linz** · 07-21-2011 05:21

Sorry don't know the A1 what details can you give us or even a photo.
Found it nice wee plane will work on stats in a couple of days.
Might just make one for myself.
Linz

**Bluedevil** · 07-21-2011 05:48

For World War One, the Morane-Saulnier A-1 had very modern lines and was very streamlined; it resembles small airplanes that you can see today at any general aviation airport. 1,210 were produced, but it never made a big impact at the front. Not long after its introduction it was withdrawn to serve as trainers, as it was suspected of structural weakness.

Some contemporary sources refer to this airplane as the Type 27 and Type 29. Type 27C1 carried one machine gun; Type 29C1 carried two. Generally high-wing monoplanes were called “parasol types,” so it may also be referred to that way.

MANUFACTURER: Morane-Saulnier

YEAR: 1917

ENGINE: 150 h.p. Gnome Monosoupape 9-cylinder rotary

WINGSPAN: 27 feet 11 inches

WEIGHT: 1,483 lb.

ARMAMENT: 2 machine guns

TOP SPEED: 138 m.p.h

Does this help?

**petitbilbo** · 07-21-2011 06:23

Data from War Planes of the First World War: Volume Five Fighters

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 5.65 m (18 ft 6⅜ in)
Wingspan: 8.51 m (27 ft 11 in)
Height: 2.40 m (7 ft 10¼ in)
Wing area: 13.39 m² (144.1 ft²)
Empty weight: 421 kg (926 lb)
Gross weight: 649 kg (1,428 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Gnome Monosoupape 9N, 112 kW (150 hp) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 225 km/h (140 mph)
Endurance: 1 hours 45 min
Rate of climb: 8.3 m/s (500[6] ft/min)

Armament

1 7.7mm (0.303-in) Vickers machine gun forward of cockpit

**Linz** · 07-21-2011 11:44

Would be a great aircraft against a Fokker DVIII. It's fast but not sure how maneuverable.
Linz

**Linz** · 07-22-2011 05:16

Stats
Movement cards either A or N I would go for A not sure how maneuverable they were.
Climb rate 2 8.3m/s equates to 2.8 mins to 1000m
Damage 14 they don't rate as overly solid
Ceiling 7000m 15
Guns Single B Twin A
So
A A or B 14 ceiling 15 c/r 2
Keen to hear others thoughts.
Linz

These aircraft where only deployed for 3 months due to fuselage structural problems and engine reliability. Seems they were well liked by the pilots who flew them and after the war one was used for aerobatic displays. With that in mind maybe the N deck would be the better cards to be used.
Linz

**petitbilbo** · 07-22-2011 05:34

Damage will be A for the two I'm just finishing, as there are two guns depicted on the cowling...

"For a World War One aircraft, the Morane-Saulnier A-1 had very modern lines and was very streamlined. Even though 1,210 were produced, and a number of escadrilles were created to operated the Type A1, it never made a big impact at the front. Shortly after entering service, most of the aircraft were replaced by the SPAD XIII. By mid-May 1918 it was withdrawn to serve as an advanced trainer, designated MoS 30. The reason for withdrawal was a suspicion of structural weakness."

No, not overly solid it seems...
For the rest, it looks sound:

"A A 14 15/2" it is! (for me)

Now, all I need is the card...

Thanks Linz!

**Linz** · 07-22-2011 05:49

Think I may produce one for myself. It has nice lines and is just that little bit different.
Linz

**petitbilbo** · 07-22-2011 12:25

Well, here's the result of my work: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...ne-Saulnier-A1

**Linz** · 07-23-2011 02:06

Yeah checked them out they are awesome. Added some suggestions as requested but was really struggled to find fault. Great job.
Linz

**Jager** · 07-23-2011 09:10

Kenneth Munson"s book Fighter Attack and Training aircraft 1914-1919 has the service models powered with a 100hp Gnome with a 120hp model for advanced training. Top speed at 129mph. Wiki goes with the 150hp, so I think Kenneth is out voted. Nice what-if for Plan 1919. Have to wonder if it was politics or an initial batch of poor QC (a la Fokker) the nixed them. I'm inclined to the "N" deck, since they were used as stunters after the war, but since Hostile Aircraft rates them less then the Fokkers, "A" could work fine too.
Make the card, someones ready to fly

Karl