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    Anyone got or know where one can be found a card for a Mk IV .
    Also what deck does it fly , same as a Beaufort?


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Deck is the J(b) deck. Any deck with the modifier (b) is for bombers: no reversals, 45 degree turns, 60 degree turns or extreme side slips.

    Base Size: Heavy Fighter

    Damage: 19
    Ceiling: 10
    Climb:6
    Front guns: A
    Rear Guns: A

    House Rule 3) Radial engines: these aircraft have radial engines.

    Neil
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    Anyone got or know where one can be found a card for a Mk IV .
    Also what deck does it fly , same as a Beaufort?
    Might do

    What squadron(s) are you interested in?
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    What squadrons have you got Steve?


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    None yet, I've done a template and a European camo scheme but haven't applied any codes. It got overtaken by other things. So, the world is your lobster if you let me know what you want.

    Edit: 'er indoors is going out tonight and there's sod-all on the box, so I might resurrect it and finish a card or two.
    Last edited by Guntruck; 08-20-2017 at 10:18. Reason: Bloody predictive text!
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    I bow to your knowledge and am happy to take anything code wise you have .


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Nice cards again Mike.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Thank you Mike and Steve


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Hi all,
    what is the size of the base ? Heavy fighter (e.g. Beaufighter/Me 110) or bomber (B.25, He.111) ?

    cheers,
    Guus
    "zet 'm op ... witte muizen !" (strijdkreet van 1e JaVa, Luchtvaart Afdeling, Nederland 1940)
    "let's go get them ... white mice !" (battlecry of the 1st Fighter Group, Army Air Force, Netherlands 1940)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aardvark1430 View Post
    Hi all,
    what is the size of the base ? Heavy fighter (e.g. Beaufighter/Me 110) or bomber (B.25, He.111) ?

    cheers,
    Guus
    If based on size, I'm pretty sure it should be a heavy fighter base... the Blenheim and Beaufighter have nearly the same dimensions (length, wingspan, and wing area).

    I don't think the base is determined by performance...

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    Base size should be heavy fighter.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Base size should be heavy fighter.
    Karl
    That's what I thought... thanks for the confirmation, Karl!

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    Thank you gents, very helpful again
    cheers,
    Guus
    "zet 'm op ... witte muizen !" (strijdkreet van 1e JaVa, Luchtvaart Afdeling, Nederland 1940)
    "let's go get them ... white mice !" (battlecry of the 1st Fighter Group, Army Air Force, Netherlands 1940)

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    Oberst Hajj sells plastic bases for Blenheim IV's in the Aerodrome Store.
    Last edited by Naharaht; 12-24-2017 at 21:52.

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    What those good members said before I could get the internet to work


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    What those good members said before I could get the internet to work
    Was it too cold this morning out your way?
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Nope just theusual force 8 storm that brings the lines down every time


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    Nope just the usual force 8 storm that brings the lines down every time
    Wow, exciting weather you have.
    Not that we don't get some bad ones out here. They're predicting negative teens centigrade out here for the overnights the next 7-10 days
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Give me the cold anyday


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    Give me the cold anyday
    Agreed. Much prefer it to the hot.

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    So, Steve [Guntruck] and I don't agree on the Dorsal Turret firing arc?
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    So, Steve [Guntruck] and I don't agree on the Dorsal Turret firing arc?
    While I know it wasn’t 360 degrees I have yet to find anything that actually states what the limit of rotation was, even the rather detailed publication that was written by the guy (name escapes me at present and I am too comfy to wander upstairs and look at the moment :-)) who restored the world’s only airworthy Blenheim.

    I’ll alter my card when I find something definitive.
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntruck View Post
    While I know it wasn’t 360 degrees I have yet to find anything that actually states what the limit of rotation was, even the rather detailed publication that was written by the guy (name escapes me at present and I am too comfy to wander upstairs and look at the moment :-)) who restored the world’s only airworthy Blenheim.
    Steve, what you want is here......

    https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...20042&start=15

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    So, Steve [Guntruck] and I don't agree on the Dorsal Turret firing arc?
    Quote Originally Posted by Guntruck View Post
    While I know it wasn’t 360 degrees I have yet to find anything that actually states what the limit of rotation was, even the rather detailed publication that was written by the guy (name escapes me at present and I am too comfy to wander upstairs and look at the moment :-)) who restored the world’s only airworthy Blenheim.

    I’ll alter my card when I find something definitive.
    Hmm, FW data card says it's 360 high (with high+ for 6:00, but that needn't bother us).
    Looking at it makes me wonder why it wouldn't be.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    From what I can tell the Mk IV turret was 360 degree rotation with either mechanical or (later) electronic cut outs to avoid shooting the tail or pilot. Indications are these were not always 100% effective e.g. 113 Sqn accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    OK, so 4:00 to 8:00 level to high. The blindspot should then be much smaller, say 15 degrees? And for the Mk.I with a single gun, no blindspot.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    Yeah! I found the tail arc image somewhere else, but I used this to do the rear arc:

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    Not sure of the forward part of the arc, but I wanted to avoid the wings and props.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Yeah! I found the tail arc image somewhere else, but I used this to do the rear arc:

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    Not sure of the forward part of the arc, but I wanted to avoid the wings and props.
    Data from Dave's link:

    Details of the Bristol Type B.I Series Turrets

    Position: Mid-upper
    Power system: Bristol hydraulic, from three-stage pump on port engine
    Diameter of of turret ring: 762 mm (30 in)
    Armament:
    Type B.I Mk.I: 1 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Lewis Mk.III gun
    Type B.I Mk.IE: 1 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Vickers K gun
    Type B.I Mk.II: 1 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Vickers K gun
    Type B.I Mk.III: 1 X 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Vickers K gun
    Type B.I Mk.IIIA: 2 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Vickers K gun
    Type B.I Mk.IV: 2 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Browning Mk.II gun
    Type B.I Mk.V: 2 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Browning Mk.II gun
    Type B.I Mk.VI: 2 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Browning Mk.II gun
    Ammunition: 400 rounds per gun
    Firing mechanism:
    Type B.I Mk.I: Bowden cable manual
    Other Marks: Electrical solenoid sear releases via microswitch and gunfire interrupter
    Field of fire:
    Traverse: 60 degrees either side of aft
    Elevation: 60 degrees above horiziontal
    Depression: 32 degrees below horizontal
    Armour protection: 9 mm (0.354 in) face shield; 9 mm (0.354 in) apron to gunner's front (varied with unit)
    Operating speeds:
    Rotation: 50 degrees/sec
    Gun rotation: 40 degrees/sec
    Elevation/Depression: 45 degrees/sec
    Weight: 177 kg (390 lb)
    Gunsighting:
    Type B.I Mk.I: Ring and bead or GI prismatic
    Type B.I Mk.IE: Mk III reflector sight; subsequent Mk.IIIA reflector sight
    So, 120 degrees (60 to each side) and mine is about that. Protractor, anyone?

    PS: Hmmm... So, perhaps not 360 degrees at all higher elevations?
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    After a god but of trawling around, I can say that the internet doesn't agree with itself
    No surprise, but it would have been nice.
    As near as I can judge, the Mk.IVs had the limited arc turrets, while the Mk.Vs were 360.
    Why put a turret with a limited arc on a plane is beyond me, but there you go.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Data from Dave's link:



    So, 120 degrees (60 to each side) and mine is about that. Protractor, anyone?

    PS: Hmmm... So, perhaps not 360 degrees at all higher elevations?
    60 degrees either side for the turret traverse and what looks like an extra 45 degrees for the gun traverse on the mount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Manley View Post
    60 degrees either side for the turret traverse and what looks like an extra 45 degrees for the gun traverse on the mount.
    Would that still be true when they installed the twin Vickers K and then the twin Brownings?
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skafloc View Post
    Deck is the J(b) deck. Any deck with the modifier (b) is for bombers: no reversals, 45 degree turns, 60 degree turns or extreme side slips.

    Base Size: Heavy Fighter

    Damage: 19
    Ceiling: 10
    Climb:6
    Front guns: A
    Rear Guns: A

    House Rule 3) Radial engines: these aircraft have radial engines.

    Neil
    Right, so now I have to use a J-deck without manoeuvre cards No. 7/18, 8/18, 9/18, 10/18, 12/18, 13/18, 14/18
    Is that right ?

    cheers,
    Guus
    "zet 'm op ... witte muizen !" (strijdkreet van 1e JaVa, Luchtvaart Afdeling, Nederland 1940)
    "let's go get them ... white mice !" (battlecry of the 1st Fighter Group, Army Air Force, Netherlands 1940)



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