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    I've begun building my own little airforce. Budgets are tight for me right now, but I do want to add to my collection before Christmas to allow some interesting Christmas games / scenarios.

    For some of the scenarios, it looks like I'll need some 2-seater aircraft. I'd prefer to buy one for each opposing force. So, I guess I need one for the allies, and one for the central powers. Which should be the first I look to buy for each "faction"? If I were to buy a second 2-seater for each side, which should be the second I look to buy?

    Please note that I'm not worried about manoeuvre decks (they come with the mini), or damage decks (I'll get them in a card set). I just want to know which minis are best to add to my collection for gameplay and scenarios/campaigns.

    In case it makes a difference in the recommendations, I am looking to buy one of each balloon set (when I have some $$$), and one of each big bomber when those are released (and I have some $$$). I'm also going to build a Zeppelin airship.

    Here's my current miniature airforces:

    Allies

    Barracca's Spad XIII
    Barker's Sopwith Camel
    Bishop's Se5A
    Boudwin's Se5A
    Dallas' Se5A

    Central Powers

    Richtofen's Dr.I
    Udet's D.Va
    Holtzem's D.IIIA
    Klein's D.IIIA
    Hohn's D.IIIA

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    Looking at the aircraft you already have I would go for the RE8 for the allies and the Roland for the Central Powers as the first two-seaters to pick up. The Breguet and Rumpler are late war two-seaters and are going to be more of a handful for the fighters (particularly that Breguet with the twin mgs for the observer).
    Last edited by Schwerpunkt; 11-26-2010 at 07:09.

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    My son, Hunter (Aero825), is an expert with the 2 seaters. I'll get him to post a response with advice on what to buy.

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    Okay, first, I need to know if you fly historically, or if you just fly for fun like my dad and I. If you don't care about history, then my reccomendation would be any UFAG, and Atkey's Dehavilland D.H.4. They are good planes, pretty much equal when it comes to stats. If you fly historically, then just get the plane that fits your time period. There's 6 different 2-seaters, and at least one is bound to fit your time period. The Roland is kinda complicated with it's 360 firing radius, and one doesn't even have a front arc; I wouldn't reccomend it to new players. I'm just gonna say, the RAF R.E. 8 just isn't as good as the other 2-seaters. I'ts health is low, it's slow, (even though most 2-seaters are), and I just would't reccommend it. Now, when it comes to the new series 4 2-seaters, well, the Breugets are just deadly, with 17 health, and B/A firing, but despite their slow speed, they're still sort of complicated planes, so I wouldn't advise it to new players. Finally, the Rumpler is just as good as the UFAG, so if you have trouble finding the UFAG, the Rumpler is a perfect replacement.

    Hunter
    Last edited by Aero825; 11-26-2010 at 09:46.

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    For the Allies: RE8 or DH4. If forced to only get one, go with the DH4.

    Central Powers: Rumpler CIV. If you'd like to do earlier (1916) go with the Roland.

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    Hi Scott - both DH4 & UFAG are quick & deadly, it was said the DH4 was so good it didn't need escorts if that gives you a clue ! OK for your SE5s & maybe the D.V to catch up to them but the rest will pretty much be eating exhaust !
    The RE8, the Roland & the Rumpler are much slower & can make fair game - all you have to worry about eating then is lead !

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schwerpunkt View Post
    Looking at the aircraft you already have I would go for the RE8 for the allies and the Roland for the Central Powers as the first two-seaters to pick up. The Breguet and Rumpler are late war two-seaters and are going to be more of a handful for the fighters (particularly that Breguet with the twin mgs for the observer).
    I agree...keep it fairly simple for now

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    The Roland and the Harry Tate (Re8) are pretty equal (same deck, similar health and armament) - Your Entente force is currently better equipped than the Central Powers though.

    Personally I love the DH4 - fast and hard hitting but that doesn't help the balance problem, 3 Pfalzen don't stack up to 3 SE5a's

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    I'd also suggest the RE8 for the Entente to balance things up, most versions of the DH4 and Breguet are a bit too good given the opposition, and any of the German planes that take your fancy. Rolands and Rumplers have identical damage and manoeuvre decks (bar the single-gun von Richthofen Roland).

    Historically, the Roland was removed from frontline service before most of your Allied aircraft were introduced (if that's a concern).

    The UFAG is a (very) late-war Austrian plane, about as fast as the DVa. If you're not matching aircraft historically, I'd suggest getting that for the Central Powers instead.

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    First, thanks everyone who has weighed in on my choices. Your input is appreciated.

    It seems like I'll start with a Roland and an RE8. I'm still not sure what my 2nd choices would be on each side and will consider advice further.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlgyLacey View Post
    Your Entente force is currently better equipped than the Central Powers though ... 3 Pfalzen don't stack up to 3 SE5a's
    So, what Central Powers planes are good matches (for gameplay, not historical) for the SE5a's? If I buy 3 "better" Central Powers planes, are the Roland and RE8 good match-ups with those 6 "fighters" (being the SE5's and whatever 3 Central Powers fighters are recommended)

    And the corollary, what Allied (Entente?) planes are good (gameplay, not history) against the Pfalz D.IIIA's? If I buy 3 "not quite as good" Allied planes to match up with the Pfalz's, are the Roland and RE8 good match-ups with those 6 "fighters" (being the Pfalz's and whatever 3 Allied fighters are recommended)


    I'd like to match it up so that it's a fair battle when I do play, and didn't know one side overmatched the other so much. I just bought some Series IV planes and figured they matched up against each other well, then added a Deluxe WWI set to get the other gameplay materials. Didn't know my forces were already off balance that much.

    Wow, I didn't know it would be this confusing (and expen$ive) to get into this game.

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    SE5a: That's a little tricky. The top-end German fighter (Fokker DVII) is usually given as a match for the SE5a, but I think it's far superior. Fairer IMO would be to just give your DVa and Pfalzen an Ace skill each to give them a boost. Cheaper too (http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...do=file&id=218).

    Pfalz DIIIa: The SPAD XIII is fairly equal, IMO. It's much faster, but the other stats are identical and higher speed can often be a hindrance rather than a help.

    Two-Seaters: The SPAD/Pfalz models are reasonable equivalents to the two-seaters you are looking at first IMO, the tail gun makes up for any deficiencies they have in speed and hit points (more so if you don't use altitude rules).

    Matching planes in the same series: You got a bit unlucky there. The previous series released were pretty much balanced (Albatros DV/SPAD XIII, Camel/Fokker Triplane, Albatros DIII/Nieuport 17)as is the next one, with a few anomalies (A/A DH4 and Fokker DVII outclass almost everything in the game, never mind their series).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post

    Here's my current miniature airforces:

    Allies

    Barracca's Spad XIII
    Barker's Sopwith Camel
    Bishop's Se5A
    Boudwin's Se5A
    Dallas' Se5A

    Central Powers

    Richtofen's Dr.I
    Udet's D.Va
    Holtzem's D.IIIA
    Klein's D.IIIA
    Hohn's D.IIIA
    comment not about your future two seaters but about your current airforce: it strikes me as un-balanced.
    It looks your allies can easily whipe out the central powers out of the sky. Those three SE5 are too strong, and the DIII are too weak. Only the Spad XIII and Camel are balanced bis-a-bis DrI and DVa. Jut my two cents.

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    I would add a couple DVII's to the CP airforce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRM View Post
    Matching planes in the same series: You got a bit unlucky there. The previous series released were pretty much balanced (Albatros DV/SPAD XIII, Camel/Fokker Triplane, Albatros DIII/Nieuport 17)as is the next one, with a few anomalies (A/A DH4 and Fokker DVII outclass almost everything in the game, never mind their series).
    Excellent summary - Use ace abilities or gang up - 2:1 or 3:2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MayorJim View Post
    I would add a couple DVII's to the CP airforce.
    I agree Jim a couple of D VII's would balance things nicely. That said there may be an issue finding any for sale! As mini's are sought it may take a while.

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    Good choice on the 2-seaters Scott and I agree with getting a couple of D.VIIs to balance your forces out. You have made an excellent start.

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    So, I went out and bought two two seater minis - from Series 2, the Luftstreitskrafte Roland and from Series 3 the Ferguson & Fry RE8.

    I am also trying to sort out the "imbalance" in my fighters by adding the Fonck & Rickenbacker SPAD's to balance the Pfalzen, and some D.V.II's to balance the Se5A's, but everything seems to be hard to find right now. Are these minis re-released periodically, or should I be chasing things down now before they become even more unavailable?

    Thanks,
    Scott



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