Choice of planes for the next Print run?

[Max Von Below]

Oops, I'm sorry. Reprints would be new for me, though...
How about the Sopwith Pup, Ansaldo, FE8, Fokker D1.

[Diamondback]

Updating the table for a new page, and tossing in the Ninak and Nieuport 16 and 21 as possibles on my own initiative:

Timeframe	Entente Single	CP Single	Entente Tandem/Float	CP Tandem/Float	Entente Special	CP Special
Early pre-1/1917	Bristol Scout RAF FE8 Sopwith Pup Nieuport 16 Nieuport 21 (N11 wing/engine on N17 fuse) ?Martinsyde Elephant Bristol M.1C	Pfalz E.I/II/IV/V Fokker D.I H-B D.I Fokker D.III	Morane-Saulnier BB Morane-Saulnier L Nieuport 12 Bleriot XI two-seater RAF BE2 family Voisin III Vickers FB5 Gunbus RAF FE2 family Armstrong Whitworth F.K.8	Hansa-Brandenburg C.I Etrich/Rumpler/et al Taube Lloyd C.II DFW C.V Albatros C.VII Aviatik C.I H-B KDW H-B CC	Parseval-Sigsfeld balloon	Parseval-Sisgfeld balloon AEG G.IV
Mid 1917	Nieuport 24bis/27	LFG Roland D.II Alb. (Oef.) D.III Ser. 153	Salmson 2 A2 Anatra DS SAML S.2 (mod. Aviatik B.I) Pomilio PC AMC DH5 SPAD XI	Albatros W.4 H-B W.12 LVG C.V Lloyd C.V	Felixstowe F.2
Late 1918	Sopwith Dolphin SPAD XII	Pfalz D.XII Alb. (Oef.) D.III Ser. 253 LFG Roland D.VI SSW D.IV Junkers D.I Junkers J.I	AMC DH9	(A-H) Anatra C.I (=DS) H-B W.18/W.19? H-B W.29 Junkers CL.I Phonix C.I

Anything I'm still missing, or are we caught up? At this point we have what looks like the makings of eight more sets...

[gully_raker]

How about the Short Folder & Felixstowe for additions.

[Diamondback]

Time and size? The Felixstowe is obviously a Late Special, but there are over a dozen different Short Bros. designs with folding wings...

And we can toss in Ilya Muromets, and we need some Special CP Heavies--I'm not sure the six SSW trimotors add up to enough significance nor that they can share a sculpt.

[Carl_Brisgamer]

"Used essentially for the local air defence of naval seaplane bases in the Flanders area, the single seat Albatros W.4 floatplane fighter entered service with the navy in late 1916. Based on the company's successful D II fighter, but slightly scaled up, the W.4 used a 160hp Mercedes D III, giving it a top level speed of 109mph at 6,560 feet, dropping to 99mph at sea level. Armament comprised a single, synchronized 7.92mm Spandau, although some later machines carried a second gun. In all 117 W.4s were delivered, with 3 in 1916 and 114 in 1917. The machine seen here, serial 1512, was the penultimate of a 10 'plane batch delivered during October and November 1917." (Cowin, H. German and Austrian Aviation of WWI, Osprey Aviation 2000).

[Diamondback]

FYI, y'all, the double-list on the P-S Drachen is deliberate--both sides used the design, just as the Caquot M (US Caquot R) was "pirated" as the Ae800.

[Carl_Brisgamer]

The Hansa-Brandenburg W.19 was a German fighter-reconnaissance aircraft which entered service with the Kaiserliche Marine (Imperial German Navy) in January 1918. It was a single-engined two-seat biplane floatplane, and was a larger development of the successful W.12. Operating from North Sea bases, it was used in support of the smaller W.19 or W.29 fighters, often scouting ahead for targets while the smaller aircraft waited on the sea. The aircraft was fitted with a similar inverted tailplane to the W.12 in order to give unobstructed fields of fire to the observer, who was seated in a rear cockpit, immediately behind the pilot. In order to compensate for the increased size and weight over the W.12, the W.19 was fitted with a more powerful Maybach Mb.IV engine. Production aircraft were armed with one or two synchronised 7.92 mm LMG 08/15 machine guns firing forward and a single 7.92 mm LMG 08/15 machine gun for the observer. One aircraft was fitted with a 2cm Becker cannon (forerunner of the 20mm Oerlikon cannon). Combats often occurred between the various Hansa-Brandenburg fighters and large British flying boats such as Felixstowe F.2s and Curtiss Americas. The W.19 continued in service until the Armistice, 55 being produced. (Gray, P. and Thetford, O. German Aircraft of the First World War, Putnam 1962).

[Carl_Brisgamer]

80 Hansa-Brandenburg W.29s were delivered to the Imperial German Navy between December 1917 and July 1918, when production switched to the far higher powered W.33. Initially powered by a 150hp Benz Bz III, later built W.29s had the up-rated 185hp Benz Bz IIIa, giving this monoplane two seat reconnaissance fighter a top level speed of 109mph. Climb to 3,280 feet took 5.9 minutes and the W.29's patrol duration was a respectable 4 hours. Armament was one or two fixed, forward-firing 7.92 mm LMG 08/15 machine guns and one flexible 7.92 mm Parabellum MG14 in the rear cockpit (Cowin, H. German and Austrian Aviation of WWI, Osprey Aviation 2000).

[Carl_Brisgamer]

The AEG G.IV bomber entered service in late 1916. Because of its relatively short range, the G.IV served mainly as a tactical bomber, operating close to the front lines. The G.IV flew both day and night operations in France, Romania, Greece and Italy, but, as the war progressed, the AEG G.IV was restricted increasingly to night missions. Many night operations were considered nuisance raids with no specific targets, but with the intention of disrupting enemy activity at night and perhaps doing some collateral damage. The AEG G.IV carried a bombload of 400 kg (880 lb) and was renowned as an easy aircraft to fly. Some G.IV crews of Kampfgeschwader 4 are known to have flown up to seven combat missions a night on the Italian front. A notable mission involved Hauptmann Hermann Kohl attacking the railroad sheds in Padua, Italy in his G.IV bomber. 320 of all types were built (Grey, P and Thetford, O. German Aircraft of the First World War, Putnam 1962).

Five armoured ground-attack versions (AEG G.IVk) were built fitted with two 2cm Becker cannon, one in a dorsal mounting and one in a turret under the nose.

A single AEG G.IV (number 574/18) is preserved at the Canada Aviation and Space Museum. This example is significant not only as the only one of its kind in existence, but as the only preserved German, twin-engine combat aircraft from World War 1.

[Carl_Brisgamer]

First flown in September 1915, the prototype Martinsyde G.100 serial no. 4735 was a single seat long range fighter using a 120hp Beardmore with fuselage flanking radiators. It was followed by 100 production examples with much cleaner nose mounted radiators. The G.100's effective armament was a single over-wing mounted .303 Lewis gun, and later a similar weapon bracket-mounted to the port fuselage side behind the cockpit. Deliveries of the G.100 started in early 1916, with many going in twos and threes to serve as escort sections in RFC bomber squadrons in France and the Middle East. Only 27 Sqn RFC was exclusively equipped with the type. With a top speed of just 97mph at sea level and lacking agility and pilot visibility the G.100 was soon switched to bombing duties, thanks to her 5.5 hour endurance and ability to carry a 230lb bombload. Another 171 G.102 reconnaissance bombers fitted with a 160hp engine were produced. It successfully performed this role from the summer of 1916 through to late 1917. It was also used for long-range photo reconnaissance, where stability and endurance were required (Cowin, H Allied Aviation of World War 1, Osprey Aviation 2000).

[Carl_Brisgamer]

The Bristol M.1C first flew on 14 July 1916 and was the only British front line monoplane aircraft of the First World War. It's landing speed of 49mph was considered too high for French landing grounds, however it is possible this was just an excuse because of a widespread belief that monoplane aircraft were inherently unsafe in combat. Armed with a single fixed forward firing .303 Vickers machine gun and powered by a 110hp Le Rhone engine the Bristol M.1C was capable of 130mph at sea level and had an operation ceiling of 20,000 feet. 125 were produced between September 1917 and February 1918. Thirty-three M.1Cs served in the Middle East and the Balkans in 1917–18, while the rest were used by UK-based training units, where they were popular as personal mounts for senior officers (Cowin, H. Allied Aviation of World War 1, Osprey Aviation 2000).

One M.1C pilot serving on the Macedonian Front was Captain Frederick Dudley Travers DFC of No. 150 Squadron RAF, the only ace on this type. Travers switched from the Royal Aircraft Factory SE.5a, in which he had scored three of his four kills and scored the last five of his victories between 2 and 16 September 1918, possibly all in the M.1C serial number C4976. Amongst his victims was a Fokker D.VII, widely regarded as the best German fighter of its day.

[LOOP]

Great choise Carl
I like the Bristol M. 1C. The black and grey one was nice Too bad it is an unarmed trainer

[Diamondback]

Table updated for possible 10 sets--check me on the Elephant's size, should it be a Rectangular Box like the Tabloid?

[Carl_Brisgamer]

Table updated for possible 10 sets--check me on the Elephant's size, should it be a Rectangular Box like the Tabloid?

The Martinsyde G.100 would use a fighter base, it's smaller than a DH.4.

Martinsyde G.100
Length: 26 ft 6 in (8.07 m)
Wingspan: 38 ft (11.59 m)

Airco DH.4
Length: 30 ft 8 in (9.35 m)
Wingspan: 43 feet 4 in (13.21 m)

[Carl_Brisgamer]

The Hansa-Brandenburg W.18 single-seat fighter flying boat was, like the CC that it supplanted, intended primarily for the Austro-Hungarian Navy. The prototype was flown early in 1917 with a 150hp Benz Bz III six-cylinder water-cooled engine, and production with a 200hp Hiero engine was undertaken on behalf of the Austro-Hungarian Navy, a total of 47 being delivered between September 1917 and May 1918. The flying boat had a top speed of 106mph and armament normally comprised two fixed forward-firing 8mm Schwarzlose machine guns. The W.18 was employed for both station defence and fighter patrol tasks. One Benz-engined example was delivered to the German Navy in December 1917 (http://www.aviastar.org/air/germany/brandenburg_w18.php).

[monse]

Italian ANSALDO SVA 5
One of the fastest allied airplane of 1918.
Used for reconnaissance and also light bombing.

[john snelling]

I find it hard to believe that there would be a shortage of aircraft on either side to produce and have fun playing with.

[Shadowcat]

Well...looking like a lot of choices here.

Float planes are interesting but remember there needed to be at least 100 in use by wars end to make original set up (we have stretched that very thin by now though)

Like the Italian ANSALDO SVA 5 but it looks a lot like the SE5a.

[csadn]

And we can toss in Ilya Muromets, and we need some Special CP Heavies--I'm not sure the six SSW trimotors add up to enough significance nor that they can share a sculpt.

The SSWs by-and-large had wings with different number of "bays" (number of vertical struts past the fuselage), so: No, they couldn't share sculpts, unless they had detachable wings.

[Shadowcat]

Bump....

[Doug]

BE2c is a must!

[Timmo UK]

Pup and Be2 are gaps that should be plugged. I'd really like the SSWDIV even though it's very close to an existing model and one that I felt didn't sell very well, perhaps due to its limited use in real life. The Dolphin is another I'd really like and a very interesting one to add to the game because of its armament arrangement.

[Carl_Brisgamer]

Well...looking like a lot of choices here.

Float planes are interesting but remember there needed to be at least 100 in use by wars end to make original set up (we have stretched that very thin by now though)

Like the Italian ANSALDO SVA 5 but it looks a lot like the SE5a.

The SVA 5 also looks quite a bit like the Martinsyde G.100 Elephant.

To my mind the number of aircraft produced is less important than their impact. Take the Morane Saulnier N - only 49 produced and yet it qualified for a spot in series 5.

The German and Allied floatplanes were produced in fewer numbers than land based aircraft but played a very important role, particularly over the North Sea coast.

[monse]

Like the Italian ANSALDO SVA 5 but it looks a lot like the SE5a.

They both have a rectangular shaped nose and a cockpit placed behind wings.

But the SVA has a much more longer and thinner fuselage
A triangular shaped empennage and tail (upper and profile view)
V struts (front view)
Parallel wings (positive stagger on SE5a)
Flat wing (positive dihedral on SE5a)
Circular shape upper wing (on its rear)
Lower wing is shorter than the upper wing.
Choice of very nice painting for the SVA 5 !

The SE5a is a fighter and the SVA 5 a light bomber / reconnaissance aircraft.

Dimensions in meters (SVA / SE5a)
Wingspan 9,10 m / 8,10 m
Length 8,10 m / 6,38 m

Quite a few differences, aren't they ?

[Naharaht]

Ansaldo did produce a fighter plane, the Ansaldo A.1 Balilla. According to Wikipedia, only 200 were built before the end of the W.W.1, of which 186 were operational at the Armistice. They were fast in level flight and climbing but not as manoeuverable as the Hanriots the Italians were using. They did see some service as home defence interceptors. They also saw more action in the Polish Air Force defending against the invading Russians in 1920.

In the game, treat it like a SPAD XIII. The unofficial planes committee gave it an A movement deck, a climb rate of 2, 16 damage points, maximum altitude 11 and A for twin guns. I am not advocating Ares introducing models of this plane yet.

Specifications (A.1bis)
General characteristics

Crew: one pilot
Length: 6.84 m (22 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 7.68 m (25 ft 2 in)
Height: 2.53 m (8 ft 4 in)
Wing area: 21.2 m2 (228 ft2)
Empty weight: 640 kg (1,410 lb)
Gross weight: 885 kg (1,950 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × SPA 6A piston engine, 164 kW (220 hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 220 km/h (140 mph)
Range: 660 km (410 miles)
Service ceiling: 5,000 m (16,400 ft)
Rate of climb: 2.7 m/s (520 ft/min)
Armament

2 × synchronised .303 Vickers machine gun

[Naharaht]

Ansaldo did produce a fighter plane, the Ansaldo A.1 Balilla. According to Wikipedia, only 200 were built before the end of the W.W.1, of which 186 were operational at the Armistice. They were fast in level flight and climbing but not as manoeuverable as the Hanriots the Italians were using. They did see some service as home defence interceptors. They also saw more action in the Polish Air Force defending against the invading Russians in 1920.

In the game, treat it like a SPAD XIII. The unofficial planes committee gave it an A movement deck, a climb rate of 2, 16 damage points, maximum altitude 11 and A for twin guns. I am not advocating Ares introducing models of this plane yet.

Specifications (A.1bis)
General characteristics

Crew: one pilot
Length: 6.84 m (22 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 7.68 m (25 ft 2 in)
Height: 2.53 m (8 ft 4 in)
Wing area: 21.2 m2 (228 ft2)
Empty weight: 640 kg (1,410 lb)
Gross weight: 885 kg (1,950 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × SPA 6A piston engine, 164 kW (220 hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 220 km/h (140 mph)
Range: 660 km (410 miles)
Service ceiling: 5,000 m (16,400 ft)
Rate of climb: 2.7 m/s (520 ft/min)
Armament

2 × synchronised .303 Vickers machine gun

[Shadowcat]

Nice

[Diamondback]

The SSWs by-and-large had wings with different number of "bays" (number of vertical struts past the fuselage), so: No, they couldn't share sculpts, unless they had detachable wings.

They're gonna have to tool different hulls on the same wing/tailgroup for the Big Boats anyway... to build a Felixstowe you first had to reduce a Curtiss H to its major components, moving the wing and tailgroup onto a new hull.

[LOOP]

Beautifull artwork om both Ansaldos