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    Those engines sure look like they cut down visibility!

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    From the discussions on a couple of forums, it tested with bad longitudinal stability and bad landing characteristics.
    here's a quote from one:
    Here's what J. Miranda and P. Mercado said (including their grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc.) in their work:

    "In 1942 the engineers of the Curtiss-Wright Corporation developed a twin-engined heavy bighter based on the P.40 model.

    The project followed the same philosophy of design used in the Grumman XF5F-1 and XP-50, the I.M.A.M. Ro.57 and the Westland Whirlwind interceptors.
    A mock-up was built using the airframe of the P.40C S/N 41-13456, the cockpit of a P.40 D and two Packard V-1650-1/Merlin XX engines and nose cowling from two P.40 F.

    There is no additional information available.

    Based on the only existing picture we have especulatively drawn the five view scale drawing. Apparently the airplane had a great longitudinal instability and bad landing performance. Perhaps these were the reasons why it was never manufactured.

    Biblography
    * Curtiss Aircraft, Putnam
    *Squadron Signal "Curtiss P.40 in Action" by Ernest R. McDonnell
    *Correspondence with Chuck Davis, Ted Nomura and Christophe Meunier
    *http://www.kithobbyist.com/IPMSAuckl.../May/May03.htm


    Technical data
    Wingspan 11.3 m
    Length 9.65 m
    Height 3.76 m
    Wing surface 21.2 m2"

    That's pretty much all they had to say on the subject of the Twin-engine Curtiss P.40.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    I don't doubt it -- it looks *really* short in the fuselage for that kind of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    From the discussions on a couple of forums, it tested with bad longitudinal stability and bad landing characteristics.
    here's a quote from one:


    Karl

    Would like to see that 5 view drawing, I know some elves . . .

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    Here is a picture of a model someone made. Click image for larger version. 

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    Sure, now I google it, yeah, lots of models have been built and there are some drawings, now all the naughty elves are put in the box until they come out with one . . . or 12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    From the discussions on a couple of forums, it tested with bad longitudinal stability and bad landing characteristics.
    Karl
    Who cares? We want one!
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Great! I did not know it.

    But I guess that this is the correct way to do this sort of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Great! I did know it.

    But I guess that this is the correct way to do this sort of things.

    Click image for larger version. 

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    ... and the BF 109Z 'Zwilling'

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    That P-40 looks like the result of a torrid romance between a P-38 Lightning and a P-40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Here is a picture of a model someone made. Click image for larger version. 

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    That is one ugly beast, thing...

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    You'd think with the Lightning around, they could have made better nacelles for the engines
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    For more pictures of the model and a simple 3D plan see http://www.nevingtonwarmuseum.com/curtis-p40-twin3.html

    According to this webpage, a company called Scott Lowthers Models is working on resin models of the twin-engined P-40.http://www.up-ship.com/models/models.htm
    I am not familiar with their work.

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    Cool, looks way more wicked with the engines lower that the real thing . . . I hate it when that happens!

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    It does look better; a bit too unbalanced without the booms the Lightning has. I'd have to wonder if the CoG issues added to the flight issues:
    Maybe if the engines were hung like a Whirlwind's?
    http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/eng..._whirlwind.gif

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foz View Post
    Let me work out what I can over the weekend. Plans, pics etc and see if I can put one together.
    Ready when you are Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Great! I did not know it.

    But I guess that this is the correct way to do this sort of things.

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    *Cough* Future Release please! *Cough*

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    The elves could not stand the wait! Several P-40's were innocently stacked on the work bench, too close to the photos of the twin P-40 . . . you can guess what happened . . .



    They found some p-38 noses in the bits box and the molding putty!



    Not sure I should punish them or promote them . . . hey Mike, it looks like we may need some stats on those cards . . .

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    So I went ahead and finished what the elves had started



    Quick stickers until get the decals worked up



    Love the fringe and things that lurk there!


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    Nice model, David!

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    Excellent work as usual David!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
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    i bet this thing has a roll rate of a brick sliding down an incline lol

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    You are unstopable David

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    The elves could not stand the wait! Several P-40's were innocently stacked on the work bench, too close to the photos of the twin P-40 . . . you can guess what happened . . .



    They found some p-38 noses in the bits box and the molding putty!



    Not sure I should punish them or promote them . . . hey Mike, it looks like we may need some stats on those cards . . .
    Dave,
    This is one ugly plane. Thanks to Steve [Guntruck] for doing up the card, as I wouldn't have touched this for any reason. And I don't do stats. That's up to the USC.

    I must say that your version is much better looking than the original model, but it is still waaayy too ugly. And not a combat plane, either. Just a failed prototype.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    I agree with you Mike. It's just too ugly.

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    Dave's looks better than the actual one, but still ugly!

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    So any clue for stats yet? Maybe H Deck with the 45 degree turns taken out, make it a "heavy fighter" deck like the M and N decks?

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    The extra power would theoretically give more speed, in a similar way from the P-51D to P-81. The wingspan is about 37'
    Working from the pictures/info off of Nevington and other places.
    These are guestimates:

    Deck: Q (with 45 degree & extreme side slips removed)
    Dam: 22
    Base: Fighter

    Weapons:
    BBB/BA (Prototype 6x .50 HMG)
    CCBB/CB (Proposed 2x Cannon, 4x .50 HMG)



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