WGS Series 6 Pre-order now live at the AA store

[Oberst Hajj]

This is the moment you've all been waiting for... well, at least one of the moments you've all been waiting for! The WGS Series 6 miniatures are up for pre-order at the AA store. Please read this entire thread before running over to store to place your order, some good info in here for you.

First, lets take a look at the photos of the per-production (remember, the final minis always look better in our hands than this first photos) minis.

P-47







Bf.109 K-4







SBD-5/A-24B







D4Y1







Minis are displayed in order of their release (and SKU), so you will find these guys starting about halfway down the main WWII minis page linked to above.

As a special bonus for pre-ordering your new minis through the AA Store, I am offering a free set of ACE WGS Speed Tokens with each new mini you pre-order, up to a maximum of 4 per person! You will have to add the Speed Tokens to you shopping cart and apply the discount code FastFlyer during the checkout process. This will give you the correct discount amount for your order.



The Speed Tokens are a great upgrade to the cardboard versions that come with the RAP. They also allow you to easily add climbing and diving turns to your games for more realism. Full details on those house rules can be found on the Speed Token product page.

Thank you for your pre-orders and I look forward to seeing you guys and gals battling in the skies with these new beauties when they finally land!

[Nightbomber]

They will look better, Herr Oberst, won't they?

[Zoe Brain]

The stands look good.

[grumpybear]

They will look better, Herr Oberst, won't they?

I hope

[Oberst Hajj]

They will look better, Herr Oberst, won't they?

They always do. We go through this with each new release. Just have a look back at the WGF Series 8 pre-order images. The real minis look way better than in those photos as well.

Unless something has changed, the photos at this point are of minis that Ares hand assemble at their HQ, not ones that the factory has put together. It's also likely that small color corrections could have been made between these photos and the finalized minis. We saw that with one of the Nieuport 28s in Series 8 as well.

Have no fear, Ares did not go from releasing wonderful looking aircraft to shoddy hunks of plastic in a single release

[Teaticket]

Funny how the Japanese Douglas SBDs look just like Yokosuka D4Y1s.

[Oberst Hajj]

Funny how the Japanese Douglas SBDs look just like Yokosuka D4Y1s.

It was WWII's version of stealth

[Warhawk]

Funny how the Japanese Douglas SBDs look just like Yokosuka D4Y1s.

I hadn't even looked at the name on the base. Was just confused by the differences in guns and amount of damage they can sustain. Hmm. Maybe one 17 pointer and one 19 pointer.... Or all three?

[Oberst Hajj]

Guys, it appears that the site is not applying the discount code correctly. It's giving $5 off for every mini you add to your cart, not for every Speed Token up to four you have added. I'm out of the office and can't fix this right now, so if you place your order and the code gives you more then a $20 discount for the four Speed Tokens, I'll have to send you a Paypal request for the difference. I'm very sorry about this.

Thanks,

Keith

[Teaticket]

Damn, another deal that was too good to be true!

[Lord_Ninja]

Am I the only one confused by the CCD close range of the Bf-109K? 13mm cowling cannons translates roughly to .51 caliber, and I don't think the wing gondola equipped versions removed the 13mm cowling cannons so shouldn't it be more like BD or BCCD?

[Lord_Ninja]

....Not that I am complaining too much, going to need something to fight the T-Bolt

[tikkifriend]

Funny how the Japanese Douglas SBDs look just like Yokosuka D4Y1s.

spotted that one too Peter

[Gotham Resident]

Since each plane comes w/ a "tweak" or an "alt rule" (I forget the term used), do we know what they will be? I mean, I have color schemes I am immediately drawn to, but if there is something else interesting, it might nudge me in a certain direction.

[Nachtschwärmer]

Very good.

[Flying Helmut]

I'll be in this later tonight.
Thanks, Herr Oberst!

[Marechallannes]

Funny how the Japanese Douglas SBDs look just like Yokosuka D4Y1s.

spotted that one too Peter

Comrades, maybe you need a computer monitor with a better resolution.


Have a look at the nose, fuselage, side rudder and wings.

[Warhawk]

Comrades, maybe you need a computer monitor with a better resolution.


Have a look at the nose, fuselage, side rudder and wings.

I believe they're referring to the SBD bases that the D4Y's are on in two of the three pictures Sven? Unless you're kidding and I'm having a bad case of interneterpretation.

[Marechallannes]

Hah - I had only eyes for the planes, not the bases.

[Tonx]

DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL ... Oh PULL yourself together Barney!!! :LOL:

They are looking great and I am glad to see that the Messerschmitt Bf.109K will be distributing D Tokens (close range shot) at a heavy bomber near me soon!

I have found a niche to use the Douglas A-26B Banshee in French markings in when mine finally arrives - unlike so many other Members I will be able to keep mine as-is though I probably will end up with just one example.

[Marechallannes]

By the way, the last D4Y1 Judy has in fact a different nose.

[Guntruck]

They will look better, Herr Oberst, won't they?

It would be difficult to look any worse. In what universe it that 109 a K-4?

[Jager]

Keith;
How long will you be taking pre-orders for these?
Karl

[Jager]

By the way, the last D4Y1 Judy has in fact a different nose.

They had 2 different models of the Judy, a radial engine and an in-line engine. I wonder if they gave them different decks.
Karl

[Tonx]

It would be difficult to look any worse. In what universe it that 109 a K-4?

IMHO and very politely I would like to reckon that this 109 exhibits all of the characteristics of a K-4 including the Galland Canopy: The comes fitted with a drop tank but there are no underwing cannons. Bearing in mind these are only prototype production photos what do you feel is missing or inaccurate Steve?

[Warhawk]

They had 2 different models of the Judy, a radial engine and an in-line engine. I wonder if they gave them different decks.
Karl

On Ares website the base has a W deck on the radial version while the other two have a V deck. There is no SBD base on the Japanese planes, like we are seeing in these photos. I'm unsure if the W is an accident or not?

[Nightbomber]

Keith;
How long will you be taking pre-orders for these?
Karl

Important question.
I would like to see photos of final products, for what I see now is kind of . I am very sorry.
It is not a question of painting details, these I could stand or correct. It is a question of incorrect shapes, which - in 109 K and P-47 are substantial, in my opinion.
If those faults are not corrected, I would rather go for AIMs.
What are your opinions, chaps?

[Nightbomber]

IMHO and very politely I would like to reckon that this 109 exhibits all of the characteristics of a K-4 including the Galland Canopy: The comes fitted with a drop tank but there are no underwing cannons. Bearing in mind these are only prototype production photos what do you feel is missing or inaccurate Steve?

It is not the Galland canopy, Barney. It is a bubble-something. Take a look at the rudder and wing shapes. They are unacceptable. Even for a table top view. If they do not change molds for the models...they won't buy me, no way.

[Marechallannes]

...
What are your opinions, chaps?

My opinion is, that WGS series 6 can be preordered now and this is good.

Camouflages, canopies, model sculps, pictures,...


I think we had the same discussion with the last series (P51, etc.) and the minis look very nice on the table.

Same goes for this miniatures, I'm shure.



Step by step, comrades. This series gives us more options for gaming and late war scenarios in Europe and the Pacific.

Buy it or buy it not. 11 USD is a great deal for a miniature, 4x pages, base, plane card and movement deck.

[Nightbomber]

My opinion is, that WGS series 6 can be preordered now and this is good.

Camouflages, canopies, model sculps, pictures,...


I think we had the same discussion with the last series (P51, etc.) and the minis look very nice on the table.

Same goes for this miniatures, I'm shure.



Step by step, comrades. This series gives us more options for gaming and late war scenarios in Europe and the Pacific.

Buy it or buy it not. 11 USD is a great deal for a miniature, 4x pages, base, plane card and movement deck.

Frankly I do not recall any differences between preorders' images and final products. Does anybody have them saved for comparison?

[Nightbomber]

These preproducts were perfect.
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...and-the-Bf-110

[Nightbomber]

These were also exact and matched the final quality.
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...ction-Previews

So...?

[Nightbomber]

Here you see a 109K model from a similar perspective.

[Warhawk]

Frankly I do not recall any differences between preorders' images and final products. Does anybody have them saved for comparison?

Good point there Andrzej, at least from the mini's I have bought they seem to match the picture quite well.

[Nightbomber]

Differences:
1. rudder,
2. wings,
3. canopy,
4. antenna ,
5. no mgs in the cowling.

[Dan-Sam]

Antenna is away to solve, hmm? Scissors and the problem is...isn't...

[Flying Helmut]

Pre-order placed.

Many thanks Herr Oberst.

[grumpybear]

Important question.
I would like to see photos of final products, for what I see now is kind of . I am very sorry.
It is not a question of painting details, these I could stand or correct. It is a question of incorrect shapes, which - in 109 K and P-47 are substantial, in my opinion.
If those faults are not corrected, I would rather go for AIMs.
What are your opinions, chaps?

I agree from these pics they look bad .

[Oberst Hajj]

Keith;
How long will you be taking pre-orders for these?
Karl

I'm running the special deal until March 31st.

These preproducts were perfect.
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...and-the-Bf-110

Actually, there were no pre-production photos in that thread Andy. The two "minis" you see in those photos are the master sculpts. They could also still be at the original size meaning they have nto bee reduced to the 1/200 yet. It's hard to tell size with no reference point. Photos of production samples have the fading blue background with the Wing of Glory logo on it like the ones in that second thread you posted.

Since they are not coming out until May, you have plenty of time to wait and see what the final versions look like.

[Tonx]

Here you see a 109K model from a similar perspective.

Thanks for posting this comparison Andy - I see the points you have raised much more clearly now

Going to have to look into Galland Hoods again as I obviously have what one looked like mixed up with the canopy shown in the top picture. I do agree that we have a degree of the Scale Models versus Gaming Pieces debate entering this equation about these aircraft. But I too frown upon glaring historical inaccuracies such as antennas where there was nothing on the real aircraft - things which could IMHO with more careful research be avoided

[Tonx]

PS: One thing I would like us all to bear in mind is that most of us by now will have a Burges Gloster Sea Gladiator and probably share my general view on what a nice for the game this is ...

Who remembers this early stock photo of the same aircraft? Talk about WORLDS apart:

[Oberst Hajj]

The discount code issue has been fixed.

[Marechallannes]

Here you see a 109K model from a similar perspective.

...and now we need a picture of the AIM and/or Shapeways minature, too.

[fast.git]

Thanks, Keith, for the generosity of your pre-order deal!

As to the look of the models, I think I'm firmly in Andy's camp... ugh. Not pleased with the initial pics. Hoping the next release of WGF isn't quite so... meh.

[Dan-Sam]

I am really curious about real minis

Andrzej, may be Andrea will take them with him to Prague so you can check it personally. True, it will be at the end of April, but still in pre-order phase

[Guntruck]

IMHO and very politely I would like to reckon that this 109 exhibits all of the characteristics of a K-4 including the Galland Canopy: The comes fitted with a drop tank but there are no underwing cannons. Bearing in mind these are only prototype production photos what do you feel is missing or inaccurate Steve?

It is not the Galland canopy, Barney. It is a bubble-something. Take a look at the rudder and wing shapes. They are unacceptable. Even for a table top view. If they do not change molds for the models...they won't buy me, no way.

Andy got in first Tail/rudder's wrong, wings are wrong, NOT a Galland hood. Apart from that it's perfect

TBH, and IMHO, this close to release the House of Ares should be showing photos of the final iteration, not relying on photos of the original prototypes which do not show the product in the best light.

[Guntruck]

...and now we need a picture of the AIM and/or Shapeways minature, too.

Don't know what you are talking about Sven, they look almost identical to me

[OldGuy59]

I was tempted to order one of each of these, just to see what the extra bits would be.

Looking at these images, I don't want to waste money that could be spent on Battle of Britain planes (hoping they are coming out this year ).

I agree that there should be production model images, if these are not to the same quality. I'm waiting for someone to post "Unboxing" threads.

[Nightbomber]

Guys, I feel I need to excuse myself. I do not want to keep anybody from buying the new models. Not at all. And first of all many thanks to Keith for allowing us buying from AA at very good prices. I just wanted to point out the faults of the shape of 109K. I know many of us have been waiting for Bf 109s, so it seems to be the best seller (although the K variant is far from the most popular). I also see the P-47 model is somehow put of proportions a bit (tail rudder, wings shape and canopy, but it is more acceptable). But seeing 109K as it is, a type which originally is a very good looking fighter aircraft I understand Boney10 better and his anger for ARES's Tripe. If the pictures show the authentic miniature, I feel just deep sorrow, that a great opportunity of publishing a nice fighter was lost. And I can not understand why? It is not a hard to built structure, just a simple, streamlined bird. The time was on ARES side as well. 1,5 year.

And now Sven, old chap, see the shapes of 1/200 109K from AIM range (of course ignore pixels of the image - the resolution is not proper, I can not help it).

[Yell]

Thanks for posting this comparison Andy - I see the points you have raised much more clearly now

Going to have to look into Galland Hoods again as I obviously have what one looked like mixed up with the canopy shown in the top picture. I do agree that we have a degree of the Scale Models versus Gaming Pieces debate entering this equation about these aircraft. But I too frown upon glaring historical inaccuracies such as antennas where there was nothing on the real aircraft - things which could IMHO with more careful research be avoided

Hold your horses Barn! The top aircraft is fitted with an Erla Haube which is commonly mis-referred to as a Galland Hood. These first appeared on the 109G and were used through to the 109K. Then went on to be used on the (?) S199.

But Andrzej (or Andy to you) does have a point about this looks more like a 109G than a 109K aesthetically. The wingtips and antennas definitely come from the G's direction because on my reading-spree I have found out that the wingtips of the K were altered to give it better performance at high altitudes. In this raw format I would say to Ares stick machine guns firing through the propeller on this and downgrade to a high mark of G - like the G-10.