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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Finished my entry today and posted it.
    Gooooood, my Friend!
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  2. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post

    Mine are still on the w-bench...
    Mine is still in prep; 3 weeks will go too fast
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post

    Any hints to assist with decals? I have new Micro-scale decal material, and I gloss clear-coated the surface before applying this time. However, the colours bled and came off, anyway. Now I will have to Matt clear-coat and touch-up the decals.
    Mike, I make my own decals too and have found that the best way is to use regular old white glue. I use just a bit of undiluted white glue and cover the area; then I use the wet decal (which dilutes the glue down a bit). Every other commercial decal agent that I have used either shrinks the decal or slightly shifts when drying, which can lead to a disaster if you have parallel stripes or something like that.

    I also coat my decals with a couple of coats of Testors matte clear spray covering after I print them and before I expose them to water (otherwise the printer ink will run).

  4. #104

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    I've used the Testors "Decal Bonder" before with good results.

  5. #105

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    Mine's done & I'm in !

    "He is wise who watches"

  6. #106

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    How many entries do we have now? I think 5 submitted, a similar number confirmed underway. The more the merrier!

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    Five so far, only a little over 2 weeks left!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Five so far, only a little over 2 weeks left!
    Please don't remind me of the time limit. I don't know if I've been trying too hard but everything that can go wrong has and I do not really know at this time if I will actually finish it on time. I will keep trying.
    Reg

  9. #109

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    I have something in the works I hope to get to this weekend. My first time playing with camo wing decals, hope it works out.

  10. #110

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    Just sent mine in Zoe.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

  11. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    I have something in the works I hope to get to this weekend. My first time playing with camo wing decals, hope it works out.
    Now I see I am not the only one...
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  12. #112

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    Jelena and I postponed beginning few times already... I strongly hope next week we'll have some serious progress...

  13. #113

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    This Sunday or bust, I think, for me
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

  14. #114

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    Just sent my entry.

    Done and done!

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    We have difficulties with putting Valom kit together... Probably just my clumsy fingers... Now Jelena and me are considering other options. Probably Goering will be dis-Goeringed. Unfortunately, in that case, we'll face the challenge with only one entry...

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    Spraying matt varnish all over the Fokker...
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  18. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by Пилот View Post
    We have difficulties with putting Valom kit together... Probably just my clumsy fingers... Now Jelena and me are considering other options. Probably Goering will be dis-Goeringed. Unfortunately, in that case, we'll face the challenge with only one entry...
    It is not your clumsy fingers old friend. Frankly, those Valom sets make my hair stand on end. The best part of them are the decals...
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  19. #119

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    Quote Originally Posted by Пилот View Post
    We have difficulties with putting Valom kit together... Probably just my clumsy fingers... Now Jelena and me are considering other options. Probably Goering will be dis-Goeringed. Unfortunately, in that case, we'll face the challenge with only one entry...
    I also agree with Nightbomber. The Valom kits when finished can be beauties but are quite a pain in the @$$ putting them together. I have only finished a few Sopwith Pups and have so far avoided the frustration with many Fokker DVIIs I bought by not building them! Someday I'll give them a go but for now Shapeways is my drug of choice.

  20. #120

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    Andrzej, Peter,

    now I feel a bit better, but still a bit frustrated

    I'm quite sure I'm not going to order new Valom kits soon.

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    I really like the Valom kits and I don't find them more difficult to build than for instances... waking up in the morning to go to work...
    The only problem is that I don't have enough time...
    TIME!

    (Ok... sorry for over doing it...)

  22. #122

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    Quote Originally Posted by Пилот View Post
    Andrzej, Peter,

    now I feel a bit better, but still a bit frustrated

    I'm quite sure I'm not going to order new Valom kits soon.
    Do not be frustrated.
    Now I am dancing with Valom decals and the varnish. I assure you, this couple is not made in heaven
    The final struggle is still ahead.
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  23. #123

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    I really like the Valom kits and I don't find them more difficult to build than for instances... waking up in the morning to go to work...
    Yes. You are right.
    But seeing those tiny, precise paper 1:144 models of yours (one is in my hands) I am sure you use some alien technology, Quim.

    Fainting.
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  24. #124

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Yes. You are right.
    But seeing those tiny, precise paper 1:144 models of yours (one is in my hands) I am sure you use some alien technology, Quim.

    Fainting.
    I wish, Andy!

  25. #125

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    Quote Originally Posted by Пилот View Post
    We have difficulties with putting Valom kit together... Probably just my clumsy fingers... Now Jelena and me are considering other options. Probably Goering will be dis-Goeringed. Unfortunately, in that case, we'll face the challenge with only one entry...
    You are not alone. I've been working on a Valom D.VII for three weeks now and every thing I do goes wrong. It's now 95% painted but still needs the upper wing located and those centre struts are really driving me around the bend. Mind you the arthritis in the fingers and the failing eyesight have probably got something to do with it as well. I still hope to finish in time to enter but it will be a while before I start on the second one.

  26. #126

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    You are not alone. I've been working on a Valom D.VII for three weeks now and every thing I do goes wrong. It's now 95% painted but still needs the upper wing located and those centre struts are really driving me around the bend. Mind you the arthritis in the fingers and the failing eyesight have probably got something to do with it as well. I still hope to finish in time to enter but it will be a while before I start on the second one.
    Yeahhh. 3D printouts are way better than kits...
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  27. #127

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    You might try this technique to get the wing position correct, then put the struts in -

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...n-modellers%29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    You might try this technique to get the wing position correct, then put the struts in -

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...n-modellers%29
    Thanks for the info Zoe but in this instance it's not so much a matter of correctly positioning the upper wing which is taken care of by the outer wing struts,
    but more a matter of getting the struts in the correct position on the fuselage with no witness marks for position. There are marks on the underside of the top wing but none that I can identify on the fuselage. The kit instructions say nothing at all about this other than the line drawings which are not terribly helpful.

  29. #129

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    I hope my entry will be ready in time. I've never made a Valom kit before and they seem a bit tricky. For that matter I've never used the lozenge decals before and that's another challenge!
    I'm not sure which D.VII I'll enter perhaps the one that has no lozenge fabric.
    Picking up a paintbrush momentarily...

    The only down side to the D.VII is the lack of rigging. I can do that stuff after years of Langton 1200 Napoleonic ships and it would distract the eye from the iffy brushwork.

    Rusty Tin (Tim)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    Thanks for the info Zoe but in this instance it's not so much a matter of correctly positioning the upper wing which is taken care of by the outer wing struts,
    but more a matter of getting the struts in the correct position on the fuselage with no witness marks for position. There are marks on the underside of the top wing but none that I can identify on the fuselage. The kit instructions say nothing at all about this other than the line drawings which are not terribly helpful.
    I just stuck 'em down in the same position as on the Ares Fokker DVII.

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    The leading vertical strut touches down in line with the leading undercarriage strut; the two ends of the 'V' strut attached to this at the top edge, touch down at the edge of the upper decking (rear strut) and roughly mid engine-side (forward strut). The singleton rear vertical strut should then go parallel to the forward vertical strut.

    Or something like that!

  31. #131

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    Thanks Tim that's a great help.
    Reg

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    Well... damn. Your skills continue to impress, Master Tim.

    I must say... as soon as your squadron receives replacement kites (obviously powered by the splendid BMW.IIIa, I'd be more than happy to adopt some of your retired Mercedes-powered D.VIIs!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post

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    Allright chaps, time to pack my toys and go away.
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  34. #134

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    I'll get m'coat...

    "He is wise who watches"

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    I'm just getting confused with all this Tim Tim stuff.
    Let's just stick to Tim, and Flying Helmut, or No Sails please.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

  36. #136

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    I'm happy to go by Rusty.
    There is an explanation why Rusty = Tin.
    Later.

    Rusty

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    Don't worry Tim, I'm just having a joke about No Sails.
    The other Tim will get it.
    However, you will now have to tell the lads about why Rusty Tin. there is a thread about how we all came by our nicknames somewhere on here.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

  38. #138

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    So this will be a most popular plane contest. Somewhere down the line there should be an actual painting contest with no decals.
    I'm not sure if I'm more nonplussed by the absurdity of this idea, or that no one else seems to think it's silly. I'm guessing there's maybe 3 people on this site who could freehand national insignia to a standard that would equal or surpass the Ares models, not to mention the vast majority of personal insignia. The goal here is not to see who can use the most rudimentary methods to produce an acceptable "repaint", but to create the best "repaint" possible.

    To be fair, perhaps "repaint" is to specific a term, and the contest should be a re-skinning, refinishing, or presentation contest in the interest of clarity...

  39. #139

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    So now its a decaling contest?
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    As you said Mike, it's not a building contest (and I agree paper is much harder then traditional kit). As for decals, they have always been a part of our contests and of repainting. If we go down this road, where do we stop? If you want to use your computer graphics skills, I say make your decals and use them on a physical mini to blow us all away!
    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    For those reasons and more I do stickers : )
    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    So this will be a most popular plane contest. Somewhere down the line there should be an actual painting contest with no decals.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudotheist View Post
    I'm not sure if I'm more nonplussed by the absurdity of this idea, or that no one else seems to think it's silly. I'm guessing there's maybe 3 people on this site who could freehand national insignia to a standard that would equal or surpass the Ares models, not to mention the vast majority of personal insignia. The goal here is not to see who can use the most rudimentary methods to produce an acceptable "repaint", but to create the best "repaint" possible.

    To be fair, perhaps "repaint" is to specific a term, and the contest should be a re-skinning, refinishing, or presentation contest in the interest of clarity...
    Hey Todd. Can't (and won't) speak for others, but I interpreted the (at times) tongue-in-cheek conversation to be referring to the (near-) impossibility of painting the 4- and 5-color lozenge patterned fabric common to late-war German aircraft... especially the D.VII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Don't worry Tim, I'm just having a joke about No Sails.
    The other Tim will get it.
    However, you will now have to tell the lads about why Rusty Tin. there is a thread about how we all came by our nicknames somewhere on here.
    Rob.
    Rob,
    I realised that there is some running gag about Sails of Glory. One day I might get it.
    I can't find the thread about nicknames. This forum is a giant haystack and the magnet (search box) never seems to find me what I'm looking for.

    Rusty Tin
    I borrowed this from my late father which is only fair as you will see.
    In WW2 my father was flying from North Africa for a while before moving on to Burma and Vultee Vengeance divebombers. His name was Austin and was shortened to 'Tin but he had red hair so got the nickname Rusty Tin. When shouted across an active airfield 'Tin was misheard as Tim. He then chose to go by the name Tim post war since he kept up contact with his RAF comrades.

    As his first born I was named Tim, as was customary, after my father.
    So in a sense you could say that he had borrowed my name before I was born.

    The pair of Valom Fokkers are almost done. Now which one do I chose to enter? I'm warming to the challenge of the fiddly struts and the lozenge decals. I may buy another pair...
    Sticking on big decals reminds me of the Renwal Aeroskin kits of the 60's that had pre-printed tissue skins to stick on the underlying plastic components.

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    Ufffff...entry sent Yeahhhhh!
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    Now that was a story well worth the telling Tim.
    Thanks for that.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    5 days to go - so there's still time (just) to start on this if you hurry!

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    I think I might just make it! Painting's almost done - almost time for some decal action...

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    5 days to go - so there's still time (just) to start on this if you hurry!
    I don't know about 'time to start' I'm still concerned if there is enough time to finish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    5 days to go - so there's still time (just) to start on this if you hurry!
    5 days to go

    4 decals left

    2 children under three...

    It will be down to the wire.

  48. #148

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudotheist View Post
    5 days to go

    4 decals left

    2 children under three...

    It will be down to the wire.
    Cherish these days! They pass so quickly!

    It does make some quantum sense, are you by chance making the "7 Swabians?" Rather a Grimm point in the space time dis-continuum we live in on this site . . . did I write that?

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  49. #149

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    Decals should arrive tomorrow or day after. With some luck, Jelena and I will have two entries

    @Clipper
    "Die Sieben Schwaben" are very tempting, specially because long and shiny artwork

    It is very near to by My Next Fokker D.VII project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Пилот View Post
    Decals should arrive tomorrow or day after. With some luck, Jelena and I will have two entries

    @Clipper
    "Die Sieben Schwaben" are very tempting, specially because long and shiny artwork

    It is very near to by My Next Fokker D.VII project.
    I agree, sadly it is already in my hanger from last year and did not qualify for this event . . .

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