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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    Nah, NIVO was never a standard finish on night bombers, only fighters. The vast majority of Handley Pages were PC10 overall.
    My sources are confused on the matter. I have one source that says lots of bombers were painted NIVO, one that agrees with you, and the RAF museum website page on the matter actually says nothing was painted NIVO in the war as it wasn't approved in time.
    http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/blog/con...manifestation/

    Black aircraft could not reflect light, whereas Nivo, (NIght Varnish Orfordness), reflected light in approximately the same power as both land and sea. After much trial work had been undertaken on verifying the durability of the new varnish, Nivo was approved in the autumn of 1918. However, the war ended before any aircraft in the new scheme actually flew in action.

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    Interesting - I thought it was in use on home defence fighters, so will have to take a look at that. The handful of surviving HP parts are definitely PC10 though - see links on this old thread:

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/arc...p/t-11124.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    Interesting - I thought it was in use on home defence fighters, so will have to take a look at that. The handful of surviving HP parts are definitely PC10 though - see links on this old thread:

    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/arc...p/t-11124.html
    Yep, I'm with you on bombers, so PC10 it is there. But I currently have a Camel Comic on order, so I may go black on that. More reading to be done. At least it saves me the cost of one pot of paint

    Also it looks like some night roundels may be wrong...

    In September 1916, in an effort to render identification of night-fighters easier, the following order had been circulated to the RFC’s Home Defence squadrons: “The attention of all concerned is directed to the following distinctive marking, which it has been decided shall be adopted for black-winged night flying aeroplanes: on top and bottom wings [a] white circle the same size as the blue circle used in the marking of day machines.”
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    Black wasn't that common though - there's ample photographic evidence of drab (whether PC10 or NIVO) night fighter aircraft, with red / background colour / blue roundels or sometimes red / black / blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    There is nothing like a view of an ARES RNAS Handley Page escorted by ARES RNAS Sopwith Triplanes .

    Boney! No! Please! I swear I was just joking! .
    of course all is ok if they are Shapeways, Reviresco or Red Eagle

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    Exclamation Night Bomber Colours.

    On the Night bomber point it seems that the FE 2's used for night bombing were in fact painted Black.

    Pics of a British one & the two New Zealand Fees attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    On the Night bomber point it seems that the FE 2's used for night bombing were in fact painted Black.
    Which is backed up by a couple of the pics on the article I posted, this one included...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skafloc View Post
    Sorry but can't agree with this. They asked, we backed and chipped in to get this off the ground, so we should get first dibs and tough on the shops.

    Neil, not a happy bunny if I don't get what I ordered.
    Quote Originally Posted by diceslinger View Post
    Totally agree with this. And I think Ares will be wise enough to support us supporters first.

    It does make me wonder about the shop availability of any of the giants. I wonder how many over the KS supporters they ordered for retail sale?

    Everyone will get what they ordered. What that email was intended to do was to verify that each of you actually order the RNAS on purpose, and just did not accidentally take the default option. If anyone did take the default by accident, they can help the customer correct this and help alleviate some of the retail short fall for that version of the 0/400.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    I suspect it'll be a bigger problem this side of the pond, as the Kickstarter exacerbates the existing consequences of being the "poor relation" in Ares' distribution chain. Retailers will get the stock later, and at a higher price, than Kickstarter buyers, so anyone with a strong interest in the game is *extremely* likely to have done the Kickstarter, and not to buy retail (doubly so as these aren't models many people will want duplicates of.)

    Heck, I'm in as a Kickstarter customer myself, as I'll get the models long before they reach me through trade channels, and I doubt there'll be much difference between the *retail* Kickstarter price, and what ends up as the *trade* price in Europe. Obviously I hope I'm wildly wrong on all counts, but wearing my retailer hat, this is the first WGF product I'm seriously considering not stocking at all, or at most maybe getting one or two of each, rather than my traditional dozen of everything approach when a new series reaches the distributors.... I suspect any problems will be less marked on your side of the pond, as both the time delay and the price differential will be much smaller, but retailers would probably be wise not to anticipate much of a flurry of initial sales - effectively the kind of customer that normally preorders a new series is extremely likely to have done the KS instead, so stores will probably have a steady trickle of sales, without the usual new release rush.
    I agree with the retail out look for these. Most shops are not going stock them beyond maybe one of each color. They are very pricey, they take up a huge amount of space and 90% of the Wings of Glory players have already bought them via the KS.

    I did the KS retailer option as I wanted the advantage of have the KS extras included with my stock. I'm hoping that will help me to sell them over other retail outlets.

    As for the Europe delay factor, I think we should be seeing that shrink. Ares has worked out a warehouse and distribution over there. I will be sending some of my KS accessories overseas for them to fill the orders from there. In the past everything has gone to the US warehouse, been sorted and then shipped on to the customer. Not sure if that will help with the costs over there (is there VAT on that type of setup?) or if this setup will apply to regular releases in the future or not. But seeing the whole sale price in Euros that Ares charges (my invoices are in euros then converted to USD), it's not Ares that makes them so expensive over there.

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    Well that's a relief chief.
    Thanks.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Email received today from Ares

    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    It's not over until it's over... According to the latest schedule I got from our factory, our "Giants of the Sky" were supposed to be ready to ship tomorrow. Instead, this morning, I found out this was not going to be the case. When I asked for confirmation of the product shipping out now, I got the following reply. Quoting from the factory manager:
    "We have some problem at the printing stage for this project. We find the paper is not up to standard when we started the printing process. Finally we needed to reject the paper and order paper from another supplier again. Right now, printing processing just finished and we started varnishing, polishing and embossing. I am sorry to let you know that goods of this project will not ready until Dec 5. "
    To be clear:
    the models themselves are completed (in fact, since months now!)
    all Aerodrome accessories are produced and waiting
    Snoopy is patiently waiting on his doghouse
    The delay only relates to the cardboard components and packaging, which are delaying the final assembly until the date indicated (December, 5th).
    We will keep you updated as soon as the ex-works date is confirmed.
    The bad news for all of us is that, due to this further delay, we'll not receive the airplanes in time for Christmas holidays (shipping time from China is 6 weeks on average).
    The good news is that we will use 4 shipment hubs, shipping out from Australia and Canada, not just Germany and USA. This will save some time to backers in the Pacific area, and custom charges to our Australian and Canadian backers.
    Pledge Manager and O/400 Version Choice
    The Pledge Manager is now closed.
    In case you still did not provide us with a compiled pledge manager order (31 of you did not), our customer care is reaching out to you by e-mail to get the information. Check your mailbox! Without this information, we will not be able to fulfill your order.
    On a related matter: Our customer care reached out to ask you if you were ok in changing your choice of the "B" version of O/400 (the default in the pledge manager) with the "A" version. This was a precaution to prevent shortages during fulfillment, but you need not worry. Everybody of you will receive the chosen version.
    Yours,
    Roberto & Ares


    So, as per the last line, "Everybody will receive the chosen version"

    YAY!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post

    I did the KS retailer option as I wanted the advantage of have the KS extras included with my stock. I'm hoping that will help me to sell them over other retail outlets.
    I will help you in that department. I'll order the RNAS HP and blue Staaken from you to complete my collection.

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