I plan to attend. I had fun last year (I still remember the heat of the flamethrower they demonstrated!). There are more tanks than you can shake a stick at. My wife will also be there with her French Resistance unit.
Nice pics. I wonder how many damage points it would take to knock out one of those
"Knock out" from above -- any C or D draw which inflicts non-0 damage (0.50s are nice, but can't quite do the job, even from above, save via blind luck). To actually destroy it: Probably between 30 and 50 pts., depending on the tank (and if it's a US tank, pray one doesn't get Fire results).
nice pics! thats the 1st restored m3 grant ive seen.
Wish I was closer - still have to make it to Aberdeen, Maryland, someday ....
Here is a link to a relevant article. Based on its contents, maybe only only D damage weapons should be counted.
http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/04/04/g...-tank-busters/
Here is a second relevant article. http://www.operationbarbarossa.net/c...rmour-in-wwii/
Nice tanks.
I once saw a driving Tiger II in the French musee de blindes saumur.
Most impressive.
Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!
It's entirely possible.
A Grant.
The Lee should have another, smaller MG turret mounted on top of the main turret.
Great pictures! Got any more?
while i dont doubt that claims were wildly overestimated (in the heat of combat multiple a/c might be firing at the same target or successive a/c firing at still active targets thought destroyed by earlier a/c) i think the article undervalues ground attack a/c.. after readin accounts of 12th ss hj in normandy the germans seemed to have a pretty healthy respect for jabos.
True; however, there's a difference between perception and fact. Also, since the soft-skinned vehicles are quite vulnerable to attack, and the tanks can't do much without fuel and ammo not to mention their support units (artillery, infantry, etc), the effect on armor operations by air attack can be significant, without destroying a single tank. And since there are numerous accounts of tanks crews panicking from even unexpected MG fire, being attacked from the air with no real means to fight back, can be quite demoralizing. The possible effects can seem actual.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Hmm... for our purposes, I glad we don't need to differentiate between hard and soft kills. But I wonder if a different approach might work? Rather than an accumulation of damage points, would it be easier and/or more representative of records to assign each type of target a threshold? Pull a damage card/chit that equals or exceeds the threshold (or is a BOOM card) and the target is destroyed/disrupted/whatever you wish to call it. Pull a damage card/chit below the threshold and it keeps chugging on and the card/chit is discarded.
Soft-skilled targets would be assigned a lower damage number, AFVs and reinforced structures higher numbers. I'm not as familiar with the WW2 damage probabilities, but I wouldn't kill a WW1 tank with anything less than a 4 or 5. I like a 5, but that seems overly harsh considering how few are in a damage deck.
I think Peter ("Teaticket") did something similar in his "Tank Dash" scenario. If not, apologies for my bad memory.
Either way, I'll think on this some more.
Always have loved the Hetzer - it's always amazed me how small it is. When I visited my cousins in Germany for the first time in '72, we were on our way from their house down to Switzerland (to Luzern) - and we had to wait on one side of a covered bridge while a Swiss Army Hetzer (upgunned to a 90mm cannon) made its way through from the other side first...for a high school kid who was totally into German armor, it was quite a highlight of the trip!
That IS an M3 Grant done up in desert camo behind the Bren Carrier; the M3 Lee is the one at the left of the line-up of the American vehicles (Bob's second picture).
Thanks for posting these, Bob! Great stuff
All the best,
Matt
There's also the simple fact: Tanks aren't armored the same everywhere -- a 20- or 30mm shell wouldn't penetrate the forward armor of most tanks; but one through the engine decking....
If only I could get some of those nice little Italian Tanks to bomb.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
The Ordnance Museum was closed in Sept of 2010. It has since moved to Ft. Lee, Virginia. This was done when Congress closed Aberdeen and several other bases. I was lucky enough to see several of the vehicles rolling down the interstate on lowboys. No real news on when or if it will reopen (the usual budget concerns). Sad to see as I live less than 2 hours from Aberdeen. Latest I read was that they were trying to get the vehicles into a permanent building for display at Ft. Lee. Nothing yet on the collection being open for viewing. Happened about the same time that the bulk of the Patton Museum moved to Ft. Benning.
Wrong ID by me for the one photo. Behind the universal carrier is a Grant. The Lee is in the lineup of tanks on the far left.
Steve I have been told that the tanks at Aberdeen have been to different places. I should take a drive there one day to see if there is anything there.
Just hecked the site and as with other events this weekend the open house is also cancelled. Get to sleep in Saturday I guess.
That's a shame Bob. This event reminds me of the War & Peace show in Kent - an enormous gathering of tanks, vehuicles & re-enactors, considered to be the worlds largest !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_and_Peace_Revival
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkesto...is-over-38990/
https://www.facebook.com/warandpeacerevival
"He is wise who watches"
Great photo Dave. It is a good event to see the tanks moving even if only in a circle. The number of vehicles he owns is something else. I think he has about 60 and most of them run. The reenactors also add to the event.
Not mine sadly, haven't been there for years, last time I went I had to stop and give way to a StuG III festooned with SS men - well you would wouldn't you !
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