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    Red face German victories by manufacturer

    57/0/0 Albatros D.I
    66/0/0 Albatros D.I or D.II
    1/0/0 Albatros D.I or D.II or Fokker D.3 or Halberstadt D.III
    54/0/0 Albatros D.II
    33/0/0 Albatros D.II or D.III
    2/0/0 Albatros D.II or Halberstadt D.II
    7/0/0 Albatros D.II or Halberstadt D.II/III
    19/0/0 Albatros D.II or Roland D.I
    891/0/0 Albatros D.III
    4/0/0 Albatros D.III, D.V or Pfalz D.3
    2/0/0 Albatros D.III (OAW)
    115/0/0 Albatros D.III or D.V
    4/0/0 Albatros D.III or D.Va
    1071/0/0 Albatros D.V
    21/0/0 Albatros D.V or D.Va
    1/0/0 Albatros D.V or D.Va or Pfalz
    20/0/0 Albatros D.V or Fokker Dr.I
    10/0/0 Albatros D.V or Pfalz D.III
    5/0/0 Albatros D.V or Pfalz D.IIIa
    546/0/0 Albatros D.Va
    23/0/0 Albatros D.Va or Fokker D.VII
    8/0/0 Albatros D.Va/Pfalz D.III/IIIa
    25/0/0 Albatros D.Va or Pfalz D.IIIa

    5/0/0 Fokker D.
    3/0/0 Fokker D or Halberstadt D.II or D.III
    1/0/0 Fokker D.I or D.II or D.III
    8/0/0 Fokker D.I or D.II or D.III or Halberstadt D.III
    7/0/0 Fokker D.III
    6/0/0 Fokker D.III or Halberstadt D.II/D.III/Roland D.II
    5/0/0 Fokker D.III or Halberstadt D.II or Roland D.I
    2572/0/0 Fokker D.VII
    1/0/0 Fokker D.VII (OAW)
    2/0/0 Fokker D.VII or Fokker Dr.I
    237/0/0 Fokker Dr.I
    5/0/0 Fokker Dr.I or Albatros D.V
    3/0/0 Fokker Dr.I or Albatros D.Va
    17/0/0 Fokker Dr.I or D.VII
    142/0/0 Fokker E.
    6/0/0 Fokker E.I
    1/0/0 Fokker E.II
    20/0/0 Fokker E.III
    2/0/0 Fokker E.III/D.III/Halberstadt D.II/Roland D.I
    3/0/0 Fokker E.IV
    6/0/0 Fokker F.I

    1/0/0 Halberstadt D.
    3/0/0 Halberstadt D.II
    58/0/0 Halberstadt D.II or D.III
    16/0/0 Halberstadt D.II/D.III/Fokker D.III/Roland D.I
    1/0/0 Halberstadt D.II or D.III or Roland D.III
    8/0/0 Halberstadt D.II or Fokker D.3
    13/0/0 Halberstadt D.III
    7/0/0 Halberstadt D.III or Fokker D.III
    2/0/0 Halberstadt D.III or Roland D.II or Albatros D.III
    9/0/0 Halberstadt D.III or Roland D.II
    15/0/0 Halberstadt D.V

    43/0/0 Pfalz D.III
    5/0/0 Pfalz D.III or Albatros D.Va
    191/0/0 Pfalz D.IIIa
    1/0/0 Pfalz D.IIIa or Albatros D.Va or Roland
    5/0/0 Pfalz D.IIIa or Fokker D.VII
    5/0/0 Pfalz D.IIIa or Fokker Dr.I
    35/0/0 Pfalx D.XII

    more numbers for thought!!

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    Interesting stats there John.
    What was the source of the figures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    Interesting stats there John.
    What was the source of the figures?
    I believe it was on the Aerodrome site. There was a lot of posting about the plane with the most victories and someone broke the records out and figured this out. A lot of German Jastas did not record which AC the pilot was flying this is why there is 2 or 3 planes listed.

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    Well. When you look at the numbers, you'd think the Albatros would have been the "feared" aircraft by the Allies. So much for propaganda!

    The Fokker D.VII definitely was a scourge, though.

    Now, relate this as a ratio of victories to number of planes/sorties by type for a clearer picture of what aircraft was the better fighter?
    Mike
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    No records about short career of Fokker D.VIII?

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    That one's rather a can of worms - there are a handful of kills claimed as scored by D.VIII pilots in the last week and a half of the war (including possibly the last kill of the war) but as far as I know, the number of them confirmed stands at absolutely zero. There was a single confirmed kill scored by an E.V pilot (Emil Rolff, whose wing fell off two days later....) back in August 1918 just before the type was grounded, but that's it. Osterkamp is usually credited with D.VIII kills at the end of the war, but his memoirs say he flew it once and ditched it as too slow.

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    Thanks Dom. I made a quick research and it confirmed Rolff's kill and mentioned some Osterkamp's victories (but he came back to D.VII after them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    No records about short career of Fokker D.VIII?
    I only included the top aircraft not ones with very low scores.

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    So Fokker D.VII's shot down 2572 planes? I know that they were good planes, but wow! They only entered service in Summer 1918.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    So Fokker D.VII's shot down 2572 planes? I know that they were good planes, but wow! They only entered service in Summer 1918.
    That is why they were banned by the treaty.

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    Yep - they did start appearing in April 1918, but in 7 months service scored nearly as many kills as the Camel (the most successful British fighter) did in 19 months.... In large part this was simply because it really was that good (as John says, the treaty of Versailles specifically confiscated all D.VIIs - the only aircraft singled out) but also bear in mind the huge degree to which the air war scaled up during the course of the war - in 1916 air forces were a few hundred aircraft, in 1917 a couple of thousand, and by mid 1918 several thousand. The D.VII was the backbone of the German air force at the time when the air forces on both sides were at their largest, so there were more D.VIIs, and more targets, in the air at the same time, than had been the case for earlier fighters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom S View Post
    Yep - they did start appearing in April 1918, but in 7 months service scored nearly as many kills as the Camel (the most successful British fighter) did in 19 months.... In large part this was simply because it really was that good (as John says, the treaty of Versailles specifically confiscated all D.VIIs - the only aircraft singled out) but also bear in mind the huge degree to which the air war scaled up during the course of the war - in 1916 air forces were a few hundred aircraft, in 1917 a couple of thousand, and by mid 1918 several thousand. The D.VII was the backbone of the German air force at the time when the air forces on both sides were at their largest, so there were more D.VIIs, and more targets, in the air at the same time, than had been the case for earlier fighters.

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    And all of that on one major (Western) front I can not even imagine how it looks. One thinks that during BoB the sky was full of planes, but it wasn't.



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