I only have Famous Aces right now...Should I get WYB or FOG? I play mostly with minis.
Watch your Back or Flight of Giants
I only have Famous Aces right now...Should I get WYB or FOG? I play mostly with minis.
If you play with two seaters WYB is good to have as it has the B damage deck for single guns. Depending on which minis you have, I would instead order the current WWI Deluxe Set from Canada, there was a thread on it, or wait for the new WWI deluxe set to be released here.
I would say FotG, just because the bombers are fun and add some interesting missions. Coog is correct that it is nice to have the B damage deck (though you can halve A damage until you get the B deck). Off the top of my head I forget where I picked up the B damage deck... I guess it was in the Deluxe set, which I purchased from Imaginaire in Canada (/www.imaginaire.com). Unfortunately it is showing out of stock now.
What else do you have currently? That might add to the decision making process.
Even thought I prefer to play with minis, I have all the booster packs. The games I play tend to be introductory types, so we always use fighters. I haven't had a chance to play with 2-seaters yet, though I want to. I have 19 minis, including 4 2-seaters. I know bomber kits exist, and would like to play them eventually.
Get FoG, it comes with a B damage deck as well. WYB will not give you any thing at all if you only play with the minis.
Out of those two, I agree that FoG would be the better choice if you mainly play with miniatures.
Also consider picking up Burning Drachens first, which includes the full altitude rules and the counters needed to use them (or you can use other markers instead, such as the Col's Aerodrome Accessories stands or dice). You get A-, C- and D- Damage decks plus rules for balloons, rockets, ground attack and anti-aircraft fire. The extra A-Damage deck and special damage counters are useful if you play larger (designer recommends one Damage deck per 4 planes) games too.
NB: You can download the other rulebooks from here or the FFG website. I'd recommend getting the rulebook from the Deluxe Set whatever else you buy (Shameless self-promotion: my compilation in the Files section has the Deluxe Rules plus just about everything else published before FoG).
Another whole-hearted vote for Flight Of The Giants - if you're mainly a miniatures player then the *only* thing you need in Watch Your Back is the B deck, which is in Flight Of The Giants too. (WYB has always been the "worst value" of the boxed sets, but frankly with FOTG out there's no reason to get it at all.... Of course FOTG will mean you start eyeing up Skytrex, Reviresco and SRAM bomber kits, but that's just a hazard you'll have to put up with....
I suggest you check out the Stickey at the top of this forum entitled "What to buy first as a new player". Even though you may not be "new", so to speak, it gives all the info you need to know for what to buy and in what order.
Scott
No love for the poor Hanriot...Originally Posted by Dom S
Hi Scott. I checked out the thread, but it didn't tell me what I wanted to know. So here we are. Thanks for everyone's help.
Sorry about that, Brad. Non-the-less, you got good advice from the other members.I'll just go hide in the corner now. LOL!
Scott
You should go with with Burning Drachen so will have ALL the decks in the game (inucluding anti aircraft and ballon busting)... It will also give you all the markers for altitudes and the fix cards for using altitude with the decks from FA...
FotG is not very well balanced and designed, I would not go for this one...
Indeed -- "if it didn't fly on the Western Front, it doesn't exist". Almost as bad as the people who think the entire American Civil War was fought between DC and Richmond, and don't recognize names like George Thomas, Patrick Cleburne, John Wilder, or Braxton Bragg.... :P
Desaix, I'm not sure I can agree with you there. If he's already got Famous Aces, he won't have all the damage decks after buying BD. He'll have two As and still no B. Ok, so he'll have the C & D decks, but they are pretty specialised compared with the B deck which is used by lots of aircraft. If he wants to add balloons, the balloon model comes with everything needed, including a D deck for the rockets.
I have FA and FotG, plus an expanding collection of miniatures and a balloon. With that I've got everything I need to play with any of the models I have, two seat, single seat or bomber - including some none-WOW models. I bought the Immelman and Crossfire boosters for the Fokker EIII, DH2 and Bristol Fighter manoever decks, but that's just because I'll be drawing my pension before the official minis arrive!
It would be nice if WoW released a booster with B, C & D damage decks and a few cards for AA guns and mission objectives. They'd sell a bucketload, especially as FA and WYB are getting hard to find now. Not going to happen though.
Until it does, BD + FotG is your best bet for starting up, and FotG is the most useful next purchase after FA with your choice of booster decks or minis to expand your range of aircraft in each case.
Oups sorry yea, you are right I forgot he did not have WYB...
The B deck is necessary. BD is still one of the most usefull box providing the corrected deck for FA et WYB etc.
So to get the B deck I advise in order of priority/preference:
1. Deluxe box (soon repulished)
2. WYB
3. Fotg
Gotta admit I just don't see why you'd have WYB before FOTG - it adds virtually nothing imo.
Dom.
I see your point and you migth be rigth...
I just love the planes in WYB (Nie 11, Halberstadt, Hanriots) and I use the manoeuver decks to play with miniatures...
But I guess, if you play only with official WoW miniatures you migth aswell go with Fotg...
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